odiousgambit
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August 19th, 2014 at 5:18:40 AM permalink
I wouldn't ignore Sally, just any insults. And any time she makes any weird comment.

Don't flaunt your Maleness if you don't want the evil eye from Sally. Ahigh, you may come across to her as insufferably assertive.
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are actually endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically so, don't you see.
NowTheSerpent
Joined: Sep 30, 2011
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August 19th, 2014 at 6:28:06 AM permalink

I came upon an article on the internet that said if i wanted to i could add an additional bet to my passline after the point was established. The reasoning behind this PUT bet is that if you wait untill the point is a six or an eight you will be able to add up to 10x odds behind them making it a better play than going through the come first. On all other passline bets that establish 4 5 9 or 10 as the point you should just play your original five dollar bet with max odds. what i want to know is if adding another five dollar bet with max odds when the point is 6 or 8 is a good strategy in craps. sounds to me like a good idea since those 2 numbers are the best points. I should add that he said most casinos will allow you to add to your passline bet with full odds behind.

It's actually a lousy idea! Think of the amount you place on the Pass Line during come-out and what you add post-point as two separate wagers. Now, which one has the better house edge? Clearly the first bet at just -1.414%; the other Put money can never do better than -9.191%. \$50 in Odds behind a Put of \$5 on Six or 8 wins \$65 to \$55, or \$120 for \$55. True odds would pay \$66 to \$55, or \$121 for \$55 so the HE = -1/121 = -0.8264%. The come-out \$5 with \$50 Odds behind it has HE = -0.18445%, about 4.5 times better. Never increase the Line once a point sets; put all additional money on Odds.
dicesitter
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August 19th, 2014 at 8:02:34 AM permalink
mustangsally

I would suggest that a person that indicates they are not a craps expert is hardly in a
position to judge who is .

Craps is no different than anything else in that there are more than just one aspect to it. You
could be an expert in the bets you make, or the relationship between them in terms of
lowering the house advantage. You could be an expert in the out come of the dice. By that
I mean the relationship between certain outcomes and others. You could be very skilled in
your toss, you could be an expert in the game of craps and never play it.

the trouble with the game of craps and these boards is ego.... no one would ever admit
that some one else knows more than they do , throws better than they do, wins more than
they do.

I would offer that there are many experts in the game, and all have something to offer to those
that would check their ego's at the door.

I would agree that placing the point against male shooters would not make one an expert since there
are more male shooters than female, and making a point is far less than 50% after one is established.

Your knowledge of the math could certainly make you an expert on that.

Imagine a board were people actually wanted to learn.

Dicesetter
Buzzard
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August 19th, 2014 at 9:04:19 AM permalink
Craps Expert = Not playing such an asinine game.
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August 19th, 2014 at 4:49:19 PM permalink
thanks
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mustangsally
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August 19th, 2014 at 5:05:28 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

Dare it be suggested? Our host.

a craps expert?
The Wizard of Odds
He did not make my list

what are his qualifications?

and again what qualifies one to "be a craps expert"

He does craps math. yes
He plays Craps and won a \$50,000 Las Vegas Craps tournament. yes

Does he have any documented long hands? I no know

he pays women (not all) to take pictures of them. yes

he says he does not like to play Craps, oh oh

looks like he could be considered by many to be a craps expert
Does not make Sally's list of Craps experts

what qualifies one to "be a craps expert"
Sally
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beachbumbabs
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August 19th, 2014 at 5:23:23 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

mustangsally

I would suggest that a person that indicates they are not a craps expert is hardly in a
position to judge who is .

Craps is no different than anything else in that there are more than just one aspect to it. You
could be an expert in the bets you make, or the relationship between them in terms of
lowering the house advantage. You could be an expert in the out come of the dice. By that
I mean the relationship between certain outcomes and others. You could be very skilled in
your toss, you could be an expert in the game of craps and never play it.

the trouble with the game of craps and these boards is ego.... no one would ever admit
that some one else knows more than they do , throws better than they do, wins more than
they do.

I would offer that there are many experts in the game, and all have something to offer to those
that would check their ego's at the door.

I would agree that placing the point against male shooters would not make one an expert since there
are more male shooters than female, and making a point is far less than 50% after one is established.

Your knowledge of the math could certainly make you an expert on that.

Imagine a board were people actually wanted to learn.

Dicesetter

I disagree. I am one of many people on here who reads and participates to learn. I would even venture a guess that those who know they have something to learn outnumber those who claim to know it all, by far. We're just not quite so prolific about it as many soi-disant experts.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
mustangsally
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August 19th, 2014 at 5:53:36 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I wouldn't ignore Sally, just any insults. And any time she makes any weird comment.

my weird comments are made for one and only one reason only.

to think and learn

They are one

Sally
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mustangsally
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August 19th, 2014 at 6:16:35 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

mustangsally

yes
Quote: dicesitter

I would suggest that a person that indicates they are not a craps expert is hardly in a
position to judge who is .

nice opinion
I am not a craps expert but know when one is
Quote: dicesitter

Craps is no different than anything else in that there are more than just one aspect to it.

another nice opinion
a feel good one
Quote: dicesitter

the trouble with the game of craps and these boards is ego.... no one would ever admit
that some one else knows more than they do , throws better than they do, wins more than
they do.

I know Ahigh knows way more about Craps than I do.
The Wizard of Odds too.
you may also
another feel good moment
Quote: dicesitter

I would offer that there are many experts in the game, and all have something to offer to those
that would check their ego's at the door.

name just one and why you consider that one a craps expert

Quote: dicesitter

Your knowledge of the math could certainly make you an expert on that.

you sweet talkin' guy
but I have to disagree with you on that

I may be very good at some things I do buts a math expert.
Thank you for your nice words (you are nice. in other words... you're nice)
hehe
Quote: dicesitter

Imagine a board were people actually wanted to learn.

That was John Lennon

what to learn and are we learning the truth from an expert?

opinions are everywhere
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dicesitter
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August 19th, 2014 at 6:55:17 PM permalink
Again your response is typical for this forum. We are not looking for an expert, we are looking for
"the expert" just as we dont look for a person that can influence the dice, we look for a god like
person that can influence the dice on every throw.

What amazes me is nothing is ever good enough for anyone on here, thus my ego comment.

I know a number of people that i feel are expert in one or more areas of the game of craps, I am not
silly enough to name them on this forum, and doom them to a months worth of criticism. In addition
being an expert in some areas of the game of craps does not require one to be a life long winner.

The moderator indicated he feels like most people on here are here to learn, well?? you will have to decide
that for yourself. But i would bet that if the moderator would look at the game of craps, he would be
able to name some that have enough general knowledge to be an expert. I would not ask him to name any
for same reason i wont.

I would offer a simple question... why cant any one be an expert, could it be that no one on here would
accept that some else may actually be better versed than they are on the game of craps???

Dicesetter