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spadeknight
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August 15th, 2014 at 6:46:10 PM permalink
Im fairly new to the game of craps so ive taken it upon myself to study as much as i can about the game before spending alot of money on it. Ive played craps for about a year or so now but am still learning the game with all its different kinds of strategies and betting patterns. I came upon an article on the internet that said if i wanted to i could add an additional bet to my passline after the point was established. The reasoning behind this PUT bet is that if you wait untill the point is a six or an eight you will be able to add up to 10x odds behind them making it a better play than going through the come first. On all other passline bets that establish 4 5 9 or 10 as the point you should just play your original five dollar bet with max odds. what i want to know is if adding another five dollar bet with max odds when the point is 6 or 8 is a good strategy in craps. sounds to me like a good idea since those 2 numbers are the best points. I should add that he said most casinos will allow you to add to your passline bet with full odds behind.
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August 15th, 2014 at 8:38:40 PM permalink
Quote: spadeknight

Im fairly new to the game of craps so ive taken it upon myself to study as much as i can about the game before spending alot of money on it. Ive played craps for about a year or so now but am still learning the game with all its different kinds of strategies and betting patterns. I came upon an article on the internet that said if i wanted to i could add an additional bet to my passline after the point was established. The reasoning behind this PUT bet is that if you wait untill the point is a six or an eight you will be able to add up to 10x odds behind them making it a better play than going through the come first. On all other passline bets that establish 4 5 9 or 10 as the point you should just play your original five dollar bet with max odds. what i want to know is if adding another five dollar bet with max odds when the point is 6 or 8 is a good strategy in craps. sounds to me like a good idea since those 2 numbers are the best points. I should add that he said most casinos will allow you to add to your passline bet with full odds behind.



For beginners placing the point is always better. If you're an expert, you don't need to ask about this. If you do a search on this topic, you'll find experts correctly claiming that it's technically better to put in certain circumstances.

This is sort of like how it's technically better to not play the game at all.

If you really want to go for full-on best approach, stop playing.

Otherwise, I say just place the point and don't even use the term "put bet" in a real casino. It's a sure-fire way to either look like (1) a totally beginner who doesn't understand how horrible put bets can be or (2) an expert who wants to split hairs about the rare conditions required for a put bet to make any sense at all.
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spadeknight
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August 16th, 2014 at 3:57:12 AM permalink
thanks for the reply ahigh. I will say that the only thing i disagree with you about is place bets being better for beginners. I almost always do passline bets with max odds and If the point is a 6 or 8 then it might make sense to add more to your passline and odds bets because those points are the best numbers to bet on. It sounds like a good bet since im getting 10x odds where i play.
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August 16th, 2014 at 5:07:54 AM permalink
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those points are the best numbers to bet on



A funny thing happened on the way to the casino cashier. I found out the House has a way of handling "better numbers to bet on"

Sorry, I'm really in a "wise guy" mood this morning. What you are really saying is you want more action and don't like getting the outside numbers at random. Truth is, those numbers pay better, and the 6 and 8 don't pay well. It's not a strategy to win more, then, to put the 6 and 8, is my view, that even if put bets had no penalty. For me, if a guy wants more action, place more come bets, but accept the random outcomes.

With 10x odds, if you just gotta do it, it's no big deal.

But I agree with Ahigh about the beginner thing.
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AlanMendelson
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August 16th, 2014 at 7:20:43 AM permalink
Adding to your original bet... a put bet... is always a good thing when you win. When you lose it means you lost more.

Besides that ... ask the casino if they allow put bets.

Recently at Caesars I tried to make a put bet and one of the new dealers stopped me. We had to get a floorman to say it was okay. The new dealer didn't know.
DJTeddyBear
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August 16th, 2014 at 11:04:35 AM permalink
Doing a Put bet can have it's advantages - assuming you're betting enough to make it work.

And it's got NOTHING to do with what the point is, and everything to do with whether or not you are already on that number. And how much you count every dollar.

I.E. If you've got $5 on the line and the point is a 6, well, just go ahead and do your full odds. However, you may want to Put $5 + $50 on the 8. If the point isn't a 6 or 8, you may want to Put both numbers.

Here's why:

If you make a place bet of $54 and it hits, you're paid $63. If you make a Put bet of $5 + $50 and it hits, you're paid $65. You risk an extra buck, to make an extra two. Woo hoo!

Now if you're in a casino that has 20x or better, then the numbers really start to swing in your favor. But it the table minimum is $5, then you need a serious bankroll to take advantage of it - just to win a couple extra bucks.

On the other hand, if you're in a place that has $1 minimum with 100x, then it's a whole 'nother story. Of course, there are also many casinos that don't even allow Put bets.


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August 16th, 2014 at 11:26:23 AM permalink
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I came upon an article on the internet that said if i wanted to i could add an additional bet to my passline after the point was established.

can you link to this article?

Quote: spadeknight

what i want to know is if adding another five dollar bet with max odds when the point is 6 or 8 is a good strategy in craps.

all betting systems
(methods or strategy - except making ONLY odds bets over a lifetime of play or
buying the unwanted don't bets a player wants to throw away)
in craps are bad ones.

some badder than others in my opinion

so do you mean is it a good strategy compared to all the other bad ones or do you have a specific strategy in mind you would like this compared to?

Sally really likes to know

as I will just Lay against a point I do not think the shooter will make (especially male shooters)

and I am up (thank me) in my lifetime of play with that bad strategy

whatever it takes to win and have more fun!
because
winning at Craps = more fun
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Ahigh
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August 16th, 2014 at 11:45:43 AM permalink
Quote: spadeknight

thanks for the reply ahigh. I will say that the only thing i disagree with you about is place bets being better for beginners. I almost always do passline bets with max odds and If the point is a 6 or 8 then it might make sense to add more to your passline and odds bets because those points are the best numbers to bet on. It sounds like a good bet since im getting 10x odds where i play.



It's important to note that I am only comparing place bets to put bets, not place bets to line bets.

Here I specifically talk about how beginners fall victim to a 33.3% HE environment making the mistake of the put bet.



Experts don't need advice. If you don't know how to avoid this, you're better off never making a put bet ever. Many people fail to understand this, don't worry if you do. Just remember to never make a put bet or a pass line bet after the point is established.

If you learn how to place the point, it's ALWAYS preferable (to a put bet) for a beginner.

You can also bet the come bet exclusively to avoid the mistake with put bets on the pass line.

I honestly prefer that experts stay out of this conversation because it only confuses this issue. I'm talking about a bad 33.33% edge. I don't care about the tenths of a percent splitting hairs between a place bet and a put bet with max odds. It's complicated enough for beginners already.
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mustangsally
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August 16th, 2014 at 11:53:39 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Experts don't need advice.

are you a Craps expert?
yes
or
no

Quote: Ahigh

Just remember to never make a put bet or a pass line bet after the point is established.

horrible and wrong type of advice (but appreciate your opinion here)
in my opinion to give to anyone (maybe OK to my blind squirrel friends)
no proof offered

and I am no craps expert.
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August 16th, 2014 at 11:54:11 AM permalink
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can you link to this article?


The link might be this: http://www.dicesetter.com/craps_strategy/strat11.html

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