Quote: spadeknightIm fairly new to the game of craps so ive taken it upon myself to study as much as i can about the game before spending alot of money on it. Ive played craps for about a year or so now but am still learning the game with all its different kinds of strategies and betting patterns. I came upon an article on the internet that said if i wanted to i could add an additional bet to my passline after the point was established. The reasoning behind this PUT bet is that if you wait untill the point is a six or an eight you will be able to add up to 10x odds behind them making it a better play than going through the come first. On all other passline bets that establish 4 5 9 or 10 as the point you should just play your original five dollar bet with max odds. what i want to know is if adding another five dollar bet with max odds when the point is 6 or 8 is a good strategy in craps. sounds to me like a good idea since those 2 numbers are the best points. I should add that he said most casinos will allow you to add to your passline bet with full odds behind.
For beginners placing the point is always better. If you're an expert, you don't need to ask about this. If you do a search on this topic, you'll find experts correctly claiming that it's technically better to put in certain circumstances.
This is sort of like how it's technically better to not play the game at all.
If you really want to go for full-on best approach, stop playing.
Otherwise, I say just place the point and don't even use the term "put bet" in a real casino. It's a sure-fire way to either look like (1) a totally beginner who doesn't understand how horrible put bets can be or (2) an expert who wants to split hairs about the rare conditions required for a put bet to make any sense at all.
Quote: spadeknightthose points are the best numbers to bet on
A funny thing happened on the way to the casino cashier. I found out the House has a way of handling "better numbers to bet on"
Sorry, I'm really in a "wise guy" mood this morning. What you are really saying is you want more action and don't like getting the outside numbers at random. Truth is, those numbers pay better, and the 6 and 8 don't pay well. It's not a strategy to win more, then, to put the 6 and 8, is my view, that even if put bets had no penalty. For me, if a guy wants more action, place more come bets, but accept the random outcomes.
With 10x odds, if you just gotta do it, it's no big deal.
But I agree with Ahigh about the beginner thing.
Besides that ... ask the casino if they allow put bets.
Recently at Caesars I tried to make a put bet and one of the new dealers stopped me. We had to get a floorman to say it was okay. The new dealer didn't know.
And it's got NOTHING to do with what the point is, and everything to do with whether or not you are already on that number. And how much you count every dollar.
I.E. If you've got $5 on the line and the point is a 6, well, just go ahead and do your full odds. However, you may want to Put $5 + $50 on the 8. If the point isn't a 6 or 8, you may want to Put both numbers.
Here's why:
If you make a place bet of $54 and it hits, you're paid $63. If you make a Put bet of $5 + $50 and it hits, you're paid $65. You risk an extra buck, to make an extra two. Woo hoo!
Now if you're in a casino that has 20x or better, then the numbers really start to swing in your favor. But it the table minimum is $5, then you need a serious bankroll to take advantage of it - just to win a couple extra bucks.
On the other hand, if you're in a place that has $1 minimum with 100x, then it's a whole 'nother story. Of course, there are also many casinos that don't even allow Put bets.
Bottom line: Your milage may vary.
can you link to this article?Quote: spadeknightI came upon an article on the internet that said if i wanted to i could add an additional bet to my passline after the point was established.
all betting systemsQuote: spadeknightwhat i want to know is if adding another five dollar bet with max odds when the point is 6 or 8 is a good strategy in craps.
(methods or strategy - except making ONLY odds bets over a lifetime of play or
buying the unwanted don't bets a player wants to throw away)
in craps are bad ones.
some badder than others in my opinion
so do you mean is it a good strategy compared to all the other bad ones or do you have a specific strategy in mind you would like this compared to?
Sally really likes to know
as I will just Lay against a point I do not think the shooter will make (especially male shooters)
and I am up (thank me) in my lifetime of play with that bad strategy
whatever it takes to win and have more fun!
because
winning at Craps = more fun
Quote: spadeknightthanks for the reply ahigh. I will say that the only thing i disagree with you about is place bets being better for beginners. I almost always do passline bets with max odds and If the point is a 6 or 8 then it might make sense to add more to your passline and odds bets because those points are the best numbers to bet on. It sounds like a good bet since im getting 10x odds where i play.
It's important to note that I am only comparing place bets to put bets, not place bets to line bets.
Here I specifically talk about how beginners fall victim to a 33.3% HE environment making the mistake of the put bet.
Experts don't need advice. If you don't know how to avoid this, you're better off never making a put bet ever. Many people fail to understand this, don't worry if you do. Just remember to never make a put bet or a pass line bet after the point is established.
If you learn how to place the point, it's ALWAYS preferable (to a put bet) for a beginner.
You can also bet the come bet exclusively to avoid the mistake with put bets on the pass line.
I honestly prefer that experts stay out of this conversation because it only confuses this issue. I'm talking about a bad 33.33% edge. I don't care about the tenths of a percent splitting hairs between a place bet and a put bet with max odds. It's complicated enough for beginners already.
are you a Craps expert?Quote: AhighExperts don't need advice.
yes
or
no
horrible and wrong type of advice (but appreciate your opinion here)Quote: AhighJust remember to never make a put bet or a pass line bet after the point is established.
in my opinion to give to anyone (maybe OK to my blind squirrel friends)
no proof offered
and I am no craps expert.
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Sally says so
Quote: mustangsallycan you link to this article?
The link might be this: http://www.dicesetter.com/craps_strategy/strat11.html