tgotch
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April 22nd, 2013 at 6:08:34 AM permalink
I'm new to craps (new to this forum also). I am researching and practicing strategies before I play.

I stumbled across this strategy on youtube:
(Betting the field after 3 consecutive rolls of 5,6,7,8)

I have been practicing it on wincraps with some success.

Anyone ever try this, or know if it works?
1arrowheaddr
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April 22nd, 2013 at 6:21:06 AM permalink
If this worked, there wouldn't be casinos.
FleaStiff
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April 22nd, 2013 at 6:35:53 AM permalink
Quote: tgotch

I stumbled across this strategy on youtube:


If you can, whenever you post a link, post as well a brief textual description.

In this case, perhaps it might be:
>I stumbled across this strategy on you tube that involves waiting for three non-field rolls in succession and then betting the field.

The best expert for this system is the craps dealer. Ask them what do they recommend to novices... the field. What is the craps dealer's term for The Field? "The Garden".... it grows tips!!

All joking aside, its simply too high a percentage against the player even if you have very obedient dice who remember that there have been three non-field rolls in succession and hear you tell them to do a field roll this time.

Is it better than a slot machine? You betcha it is! Is it better than being at a craps table and having no plan or discipline at all? You betcha it is! Is it fun? Well, give it a try if you would like to, but be sure to have your return ticket home too.
rdw4potus
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April 22nd, 2013 at 7:39:39 AM permalink
Quote: tgotch


Anyone ever try this, or know if it works?



It works just as well as betting the field at other times. The dice have no idea that they just rolled a 5, 6, 7, or 8 for 3 consecutive rolls, and they're no more likely to roll a field number on the next roll than on any other roll.
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Ahigh
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April 22nd, 2013 at 8:38:26 AM permalink
As many people will tell you, I do a lot of research into the game of craps.

The field bet, when the 12 pays triple here in Las Vegas, is a good bet for a beginner.

The reason why is:

* It only lasts one roll
* Every number that wins is clearly marked on the bet
* The house edge is only half as much as roulette with double zero
* If you bet it for a large sum of money and the 12 comes, it can be lots of fun!
* It's a self-service bet so you can make the bet without any assistance or help from the dealers

There is an entire class of craps players, many of which won't even roll the dice, that make big and bold field bets and head for the door at the first sign of a profit.

A single bet in the field is, in fact, much better than doing a single spin on the roulette wheel no matter how you arrange your chips.

I have observed the field having a player advantage over the course of over 375 consecutive tosses of the dice. So it is possible to have a hot streak in the field. All you need to accomplish this is more than the expected number of 12's coming. That's when the field pays more than it does on average.

The subject of how the conditions can arise for more 12's than normal is like pandoras box. Once you open up that topic, all hell breaks lose. But the short answer is that there are people that believe that no matter if it's cosmic intervention, something weird going on with the dice, or a shooter that has a propensity to roll more 12's, if you have a hunch you're seeing more 12's because of something about the way the shooter is shooting the dice or if you have any other guess that you're seeing a lot of other field numbers, the field can and will yield a profit routinely over the course of 40 consecutive bets of the same amount.

Usually by the time you get into the hundreds of bets, you no longer have much chance to have a profit if you're betting the same amount in the field each time.

And by the time you bet it 1000 times for the same amount, you're going to be more likely to have lost 2.78% of each time you bet that bet on average (that's about $139 for 1000 rolls at a $5 bet).

So if you bet it for $5 every roll for an hour, which is about 100 rolls of the dice, and you expect to lost $14 per hour doing this, that's about right. You can easily get lucky and break even, or even come out ahead, but on average that's what you should expect!

The same $5 on the passline for every roll you would expect to lose $2.10 instead of $14.

I hope this is helpful, and good luck and have fun!
Jimbo
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April 22nd, 2013 at 12:02:49 PM permalink
Quote: tgotch

I stumbled across this strategy on youtube [for field betting]

There is no such thing as a good strategy that justifies field betting.

Indeed, there is no such thing as a good "craps strategy" on You Tube.

Quote: Ahigh

The field bet, when the 12 pays triple here in Las Vegas, is a good bet for a beginner.

Regardless whether the field bet pays triple on the 12, it is still not a good or smart bet even for beginners.

Simply because the field bet may be easy for a beginner to understand does not make it a smart bet. And just because the house edge on the field bet may not be as high as a slots or roulette, doesn't make it a smart bet either.

Consider that the house edge for the field bet (assuming triple for the 12) is more than 7 times higher than betting the line with 3x-4x-5x odds.

Quote: Ahigh

So it is possible to have a hot streak in the field.

You can rationalize just about any bet on the craps table by suggesting that a "hot streak" will give you a great return for your bet. Hell, bet the 2 or the 12 if you expect a hot streak of those numbers. Or the Hops bets.

But trying to anticipate "hot streaks" will not pay off in the long run.

It may be "fun" to bet based on all kinds of hunches or intuition (or astrology or prayer or anything else that may be guiding you), but if you want to play "smart" then avoid the field altogether.
TheWolf713
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April 22nd, 2013 at 1:29:09 PM permalink
Quote: tgotch

I'm new to craps (new to this forum also). I am researching and practicing strategies before I play.


I have been practicing it on wincraps with some success.

Anyone ever try this, or know if it works?



Hey I'm about to save you a lot of money right now...

The words "strategy" and "field" should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

If you plan on playing craps... The field is like a bad habit... It won't hurt you all the time and it even feels good but after a while, you'll wish you never started it.

Good luck
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Jimbo
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April 22nd, 2013 at 1:43:15 PM permalink
Quote: tgotch

I have been practicing it on wincraps...

I meant to say that it is an excellent idea to practice away from the casino where you are not using actual money. And WinCraps is an excellent program to try out different scenarios.

Quote: TheWolf713

The words "strategy" and "field" should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

Some would say that the words "strategy" and "craps" should also not be mentioned in the same sentence.
Ahigh
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April 22nd, 2013 at 2:11:13 PM permalink
Given the above arguments, what's your strategy for dealing with people who make internet forums less entertaining for you?

Look: I explained the cost very clearly! There are costs with gambling for ANY non-AP play.

If somebody wants to pay an extra $12/hour to have an easier game to play, GO FOR IT!

There's nothing dumb about paying more money for something that is easier to understand.

All your perspectives are those of someone with more experience.

The less experienced person might not have fun trying to play the game the way that you do it.

People who get tired of waiting for a bet to resolve are more likely to take on more risk than they should. And there are many other pitfalls of playing the game "the way it is SUPPOSED to be played."

Fewer and bigger bets in the field could quite possibly do better than a typical session of yours, Jimbo!!! 1/7th the number of rolls is a savings of time if you look at it that way, and my time is worth a lot of money. I'm just sayin'!
Beethoven9th
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April 22nd, 2013 at 2:36:45 PM permalink
No, it does not work. Stick to
Fighting BS one post at a time!

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