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odiousgambit
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January 4th, 2017 at 2:31:18 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Buying someone else's don't bets after the come out for even money is +EV. It requires a willing non-AP, but if they really don't like 6s and 8s, I'm happy to oblige.



this is probably the sole non-shady AP move in craps.

and I'd say 75% of the players who dabble in it will at least sometimes want "no action" on 6/8- the trick is convincing them to sell it instead. They become very suspicious.
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Calder
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January 4th, 2017 at 3:01:12 PM permalink
At Potawatomi in Milwaukee I've had the Box prohibit that move. Depends who's running the table, or the deal needs to be conducted quietly..
gamerfreak
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January 4th, 2017 at 4:01:33 PM permalink
How do you proposition that move and do you have to keep it secret from the dealer?

I know this 200% wouldn't fly in Delaware.
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January 4th, 2017 at 5:20:43 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I just wanted to know where you normally play because I wld like to play craps with you sometime. I assume you live in vegas




You've been gone a while. In the mean time, we've had some kind of stalker-ish and trollish activity here. You're coming off like one in this and a couple other threads. I would suggest that, instead of asking people where they live or play, that you

1. Say where YOU play, and ask if anyone wants to get together.

2. PM someone you want to meet, and accept a no or non-answer as such.

3. Come to one of the wov meet-ups and get to know some people. There's a wov east thing tentatively in April, and usually a wov Las Vegas thing in May. There just was one in September.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
cestanl
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January 4th, 2017 at 6:10:32 PM permalink
When i'm playing the don't ... I will leave my bet up and active on any point number, but the only numbers I ever lay odds on are the 4-5 and 9-10.
Calder
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January 4th, 2017 at 6:15:51 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

How do you proposition that move and do you have to keep it secret from the dealer?


First time I tried I was right across from the base, he didn't seem to care, or didn't notice.

After the Don't player waved off his first DC action I just said, "Let the next one travel, I'll buy it from you." No problem.

On a different session, a different dealer heard the proposition and gave out a pretty loud "What?" that got the interest of the box. I didn't think I was doing anything wrong, so explained what we were doing. The box put an end to it.

I've only tired a few times since; don't want to make waves at my only local casino over a nickel. Probably best to be in the corner with the DC box, out of the boxman's line of sight.

I never had anyone renege when the seven out came.
gamerfreak
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January 4th, 2017 at 7:36:34 PM permalink
Quote: Calder

First time I tried I was right across from the base, he didn't seem to care, or didn't notice.

After the Don't player waved off his first DC action I just said, "Let the next one travel, I'll buy it from you." No problem.

On a different session, a different dealer heard the proposition and gave out a pretty loud "What?" that got the interest of the box. I didn't think I was doing anything wrong, so explained what we were doing. The box put an end to it.

I've only tired a few times since; don't want to make waves at my only local casino over a nickel. Probably best to be in the corner with the DC box, out of the boxman's line of sight.

I never had anyone renege when the seven out came.



So you don't use the co-op of another player like math-extremist said?

If that's the case I guess it would depend on an incompetent dealer, similar to hole carding?

It's crazy how simple yet so complex craps can be.
Calder
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January 4th, 2017 at 7:41:42 PM permalink
Not sure I get your question.

The Don't player has to agree to the deal, it's his bet, after all.

My hope was that it was just a proposition between two players, but the box didn't see it that way. His table.
gamerfreak
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January 4th, 2017 at 7:49:50 PM permalink
Quote: Calder

Not sure I get your question.

The Don't player has to agree to the deal, it's his bet, after all.

My hope was that it was just a proposition between two players, but the box didn't see it that way. His table.


Gotcha, I misunderstood you.

I've been reprimanded at Delaware Park for any sort of side-action between players. But they are, by far, the most strict casino I've ever attended. I've never tried anywhere else, I cause they freaked out so badly in Delaware that I just figured that was a standard rule.
SanchoPanza
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January 4th, 2017 at 8:21:35 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

No, I'm not talking about odds. This guy was pulling his don't bets after the come out. I paid him face value and took over the bets, which we're conditionally +EV at that point.

The 1.4% HE on the flat bet works out to a little more than a nickel, or maybe $1.50 or a bit more on 30 bets an hour. I can cover that with no problem for an hour or so, leaving us with significant room for odds bets.

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