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FourFiveFace
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April 5th, 2012 at 9:49:00 AM permalink
I've played with people that played Caribbean Stud or Three Card blind until take one loss (not sure if that means any loss, or just a loss with a hand they wouldn't have played otherwise). Figure if you get a little lucky, you can keep collecting the ante as the dealer keeps failing to qualify. Never tried it myself, but it always intrigued me. Obviously the house edge jumps up, but I can see where people might give it a shot if they can afford to take that one loss.
buzzpaff
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April 5th, 2012 at 9:59:08 AM permalink
I usually stand on 16 versus a 10. Just hate to get a 4, think I have ducked a bullet, but instead of the expected dealer 20, he has a stiff but hits it for a 21 GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

And if playing one of SWITCH's games, would be really pissed to hit a 16, get a 5 for 21, then dealers gets 22 and we push. WTF !!
charliepatrick
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April 5th, 2012 at 10:39:06 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

I usually stand on 16 versus a 10...if...dealers gets 22 and we push.

I think it's better to hit marginal hands on versions where the 22 is a push (for instance hit 12 vs 4, personally I always hit all 12s) and the difference for 16 vs 10 is even bigger than in regular BJ. With Burn 20 it can be even more annoying when the dealer throws away a 20 and proceeds to make 21 instead!
buzzpaff
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April 5th, 2012 at 11:00:12 AM permalink
Hell, someone inventor out there is probably working on a version where the BJ dealer has to qualify !
Gee, if Switch or Mr.CasinoGames are doing that ,I better apologize right now. LOL
charliepatrick
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April 5th, 2012 at 12:12:52 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

...a version where the BJ dealer has to qualify...

There already is one - see three card blackjack !
ewjones080
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April 5th, 2012 at 12:31:15 PM permalink
I heard this story from a floor. The dealer called her over, and there were maybe four or five players, and the dealer had flipped over her hand, and had like a hard 15 (the 10 was the hole card). Floor was called cause the lady at first base wanted to split or hit or something. Floor had the dealer finish the hand, she drew a 10 to bust herself. Standard procedure says to then ask any players if they want out of the hand, they can pull their money back. The woman on third base PULLED HER MONEY. The floor made it very clear to her that she was going to get paid if she decided to stay in the hand, or she could pull out and not get anything, and the woman pulls out anyway. Very strange when I heard it. It was almost out of spite she decided not to get paid, since she didn't get to play her hand like she wanted.
konceptum
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April 5th, 2012 at 1:06:33 PM permalink
Quote: FourFiveFace

I like reading blackjack articles that attempt to explain the logic behind basic strategy plays in addition to the math. I don't think "because the math says so" cuts the mustard for the average Joe or Jane.


Everyone is probably different on what they would require to believe anything.

I know when I first learned blackjack, many years ago, I was taught that you always assume the dealer's hole card is a 10, and all judgements on how you should play your hand are based on that. Playing in this manner didn't allow me to enjoy the game.

Now, I see that this policy doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But, it still wasn't enough for me for someone to say, you should double on certain types of hands and not on others. The only thing that worked for me was seeing a comparison. If you double, you're expected return is x. If you hit, it's y. If you stand, it's z. Which is best? Seeing these numbers for the various possibilities allowed me to see that doubling was better in certain circumstances.

But that was me. The average recreational player is probably only ever going to consider one possibility: that the dealer has a 10 in the hole. All decisions should be based on this. No matter how much math you show them, they are never going to understand anything different.
1BB
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April 5th, 2012 at 5:25:09 PM permalink
Assuming that the dealer has a 10 in the hole is one of the most common myths in blackjack. Many players are surprised to learn that it only occurs slightly over 30% of the time. If all decisions were truly based on this players would be surrendering or hitting hard 17s, 18s and 19s as well as buying insurance every time the dealer showed an ace.

I do realize that this is used as a reminder for inexperienced players to hit against a 7 or higher until they get a hard 17 or break. In that context perhaps it's not the worst thing they could be thinking.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
PopCan
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April 5th, 2012 at 10:33:56 PM permalink
Over several years of dealing various games I estimate I dealt around half a million hands of blackjack. Of all those hands I can only think of two where I remember what every player had. On one particular hand I dealt four people and myself a blackjack. Here is the other hand I remember:

I was still a break-in working the morning shift. It was freezing outside so when I pushed into my first game of the day, a double deck (pitch) game, I could barely feel my fingers. There were three friends taking up the first three spots and a middle aged women on third base. I dealt the first card to each, then a 10 as my upcard. I dealt the second card to each, but as I pitched third base's second card somehow the next card, my hole card, slid right off the deck. It landed on its edge facing first base then gently flopped faced down. I quickly tucked it under my upcard like nothing happened.

I turned towards first base praying he didn't catch a glimpse of my hole card. He tosses his two cards in and says "surrender". He had a 17. Guy in seat two then immediately tosses in his 13, "surrender". Seat three shows his cards to first base and first base motions with his head towards me. Seat three tosses in his cards, "surrender". He had a 19.

Now I turn to third base. The woman looks at her cards for a second and first base asks, "What do you have?" She shows the table her 16. All at once the three other players yell, "SURRENDER!" As she's tucking her cards she says, "Surrender is like throwing your money away!". I quickly flip over the hole card (a Queen) and take her money, trying not to laugh.
NFS
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April 6th, 2012 at 1:17:02 AM permalink
Playing at Reno (can't remember the casino). We're all slightly drunk and having a good time. I'm not playing but I'm standing behind a relative who's playing on 3rd base.

The dealer just finished clarifying some rules with a player and mentions he can double on any of his first 2 cards. He says "ANY?" and the dealer agrees.

His next hand out he got dealt a natural. THE PLAYER ASKS TO DOUBLE. The dealer was thrown off and calls over the PB. The player and the PB talked for a little bit (can't remember what was said), and decides to allow the player to double. He gets a face card.

A player to his left gets upset and says he "threw off the order of the deck" by making this play. I'm standing behind him. He ends up busting (but wouldn't have if the guy didn't double), and the dealer busts. The guy becomes furious for losing his bet due to the guy's play. Awkward situation since we were all getting along just a minute ago, but a few rounds later he perks up.

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