Worst plays you've ever witnessed
Quote: duckmankillaI think you may be mis-remembering this particular hand. If the dealer had a ten, and drew an ace, they wouldn't be drawing for that 5 to bring them to 16.
How many idiotic moves did he make which caused you to win the hand?
A) Read the part again Duck. It was in the context of the 15 vs a Dealer 5. Dealer has a 10 implied with 5 showing he did in fact have a 10 in the hole, then caught an Ace and a 5. Not too hard to figure out, but it can be convoluted when taken out of context as you so eloquently displayed.
B) None actually, I literally lost every hand when he sat down and all the hands he played incorrectly resulted in a loss. Not saying it was his fault, but it wasn't helping his cause to be embraced at the table with these boneheaded plays. So I threw a few barbs out there(sarcastically of course) and hoped he would leave. But he continued on his idiotic ways, with the 15 vs 5 and standing on A-2 vs Dealer Ace was just the icing to get me outta there with my profit in tact.
Quote: 1BBI had to read that a couple of times myself. It looks like the dealer flipped a 10 under the 5 up.
I've said many times that without poor players the rules would deteriorate and I would make less. They are always welcome at my table as long as they don't take forever making decisions.
Correct 1 BB, good to know somebody is paying attention!
And yes he did take rougly 90 seconds to make decisions. The 15 vs 5 was about a 2 minute one, where I did everything in my power short of screaming at him(which I never do) to let him know his best move is to stand.
The dealer even picked up on it and tried to help the situation until Fatboy stopped him from flipping his hole card and potentially busting.
Also the A-2 vs Ace was another one where both the dealer and I took a few mins to explain it to the dolt why hitting a Soft 13 was advantageous, before his "Logic" told him to stand on a Soft 13!
Quote:So I threw a few barbs out there(sarcastically of course) and hoped he would leave. .
What's all this I hear about throwing Barbs? Have I wandered into a Sumo wrestling parlor or something? And why the sarcasm of course? I was behaving, reading along, and suddenly I'm jujitsued? When we dance, you can dip me, but throwing me around is really not acceptable...what? what's that? Oh. Never Mind.... :D
RIP Gilda Radner aka Emily Latella.
Quote: IbeatyouracesNot blackjack, but a couple of years ago I watched a guy get a dealt king high straight flush in VP, dump the 9 and draw the ace for the royal.
Could it have been a Deuces Wild variant?
Quote: Mission146JB, I believe that you have played Pai Gow extensively, what are some of the worst plays in that game you have seen?
I was playing at the MGM Grand once when an Asian fellow sat down to play. He was dealt L2-H6-9-11, and after thinking about it for a while, he set them to make 3/5 instead of the clearly superior 7/Wong. My guess is that he was following the general guideline "Play the tile that has the most dots in the same hand as the tile that has the least dots."
I don't recall what the dealer had, but I do remember that it was strong enough to have beaten the 7/Wong even if the player had set them correctly.
Quote: Mission146I'm glad he would have lost anyway. I've never played Pai Gow other than the WoV game, but it seems like I'd feel sorry for a player who lost by way of making a horrible mistake, unlike Blackjack.
My post probably didn't convey it, but he basically had no idea how to play. I think the only guideline he knew was to play the tile that has the most dots with the tile that has the least dots. He took a very long time every hand, and it was clear to me at least that he didn't really know what he was doing.
A man is playing me heads-up. I deal him an A9 and turn up a dealer 5. Common sense, of course, dictates that you wave this hand off and take the 20; even the most well-versed counter doesn't take a chance on this - the shoe was 8 decks and only a few hands in, nowhere near enough to say anywhere near conclusively that it's hot enough to try doubling soft 20.
So of course the Mensa member across from me decides, what the hell, I'll hit it. Draws a damn deuce. Hits the SOB again like a freaking genius and gets a 3. By this point in time, anyone with sense probably would have given up blackjack for life after realizing that they are painfully stupid at the game.
This guy? Takes another crack at his now hard 15 - gets a 9 and busts. I don't remember what I had in the hole, but whatever it was, it wasn't beating 20.
If not for people this mind-blowingly dumb, casinos would pretty much exist only in strip malls with hobos dealing the game for cheese.
Quote: hwccdealerAdding to my list of players who only dream of advancing to the rank of "ploppy":
A man is playing me heads-up. I deal him an A9 and turn up a dealer 5. Common sense, of course, dictates that you wave this hand off and take the 20; even the most well-versed counter doesn't take a chance on this - the shoe was 8 decks and only a few hands in, nowhere near enough to say anywhere near conclusively that it's hot enough to try doubling soft 20.
So of course the Mensa member across from me decides, what the hell, I'll hit it. Draws a damn deuce. Hits the SOB again like a freaking genius and gets a 3. By this point in time, anyone with sense probably would have given up blackjack for life after realizing that they are painfully stupid at the game.
This guy? Takes another crack at his now hard 15 - gets a 9 and busts. I don't remember what I had in the hole, but whatever it was, it wasn't beating 20.
If not for people this mind-blowingly dumb, casinos would pretty much exist only in strip malls with hobos dealing the game for cheese.
That may be the best post I've seen in a while, thanks for sharing, still laughing!
Quote: hwccdealerAdding to my list of players who only dream of advancing to the rank of "ploppy":
A man is playing me heads-up. I deal him an A9 and turn up a dealer 5. Common sense, of course, dictates that you wave this hand off and take the 20; even the most well-versed counter doesn't take a chance on this - the shoe was 8 decks and only a few hands in, nowhere near enough to say anywhere near conclusively that it's hot enough to try doubling soft 20.
So of course the Mensa member across from me decides, what the hell, I'll hit it. Draws a damn deuce. Hits the SOB again like a freaking genius and gets a 3. By this point in time, anyone with sense probably would have given up blackjack for life after realizing that they are painfully stupid at the game.
This guy? Takes another crack at his now hard 15 - gets a 9 and busts. I don't remember what I had in the hole, but whatever it was, it wasn't beating 20.
If not for people this mind-blowingly dumb, casinos would pretty much exist only in strip malls with hobos dealing the game for cheese.
At least he didn't eat up any tens or aces. We need these guys to pay for the APs.
Quote: ZerchiI've seen doubling on a hard 19 twice (one of them got the deuce, ASM shoe game), and standing on a hard five once.
The Austin Powers special, standing on 5. Never seen anything that ridiculous, though I saw someone double on a 5.
Quote: hwccdealerThe Austin Powers special, standing on 5.
I don't get the reference.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI don't get the reference.
I was playing last week and a lady stood on a hard 9 against a dealer 6 because she didn't want to take the bust card.
Dealer flips over a 10 then draws a 10 for the bust. Next card out of shoe was a 5. She went on for 10 min how her smart move save the table. I hate when dumb plays pay off. It gives them incentive to keep doing them.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIt's morons like this that make me wish I could run a casino and not care less about any counters.
I think it would be cool to own one table in a casino.
Quote: GWAEI was playing last week and a lady stood on a hard 9 against a dealer 6 because she didn't want to take the bust card.
Dealer flips over a 10 then draws a 10 for the bust. Next card out of shoe was a 5. She went on for 10 min how her smart move save the table. I hate when dumb plays pay off.
This is also why I don't berate people for bad plays.
Besides, the deck could have been shuffled where those two cards were reversed, and then she is an idiot.
Quote: hwccdealerI deal him an A9 and turn up a dealer 5.
I describe such a scene in my Hooters review.
Quote: Hooters reviewmy favorite bad play, hitting a soft 20. Normally dealers will warn players against doing anything really stupid, but when this particular player hit his soft 20, the dealer gave him a card without a word, as if it happens all the time, or she couldn’t care less. In my opinion, this was taking unfair advantage.
I'd be interested to know if you warned the player before you gave him the card.
Quote: GWAEIts probably not the dumbest play ever but it made me chuckle. Last weekend a guy at my table makes his biggest bet of the night which was $200. He gets dealt A8 and dealer has 8. He doubles and gets a A. He screams and hollers in joy. deal turns up 3 then 10. I was a little annoyed that the dealer would have busted if he just stood.
I'm confused. How would the dealer have busted? Showing 8, and then getting players A (if player had stood) would equal 19, no? Or am I misreading something?
Quote: SoulChaserI'm confused. How would the dealer have busted? Showing 8, and then getting players A (if player had stood) would equal 19, no? Or am I misreading something?
The dealer had a 3 for the hole card.
Quote: IbeatyouracesQuote: WizardI describe such a scene in my Hooters review.
You have to update that. Their single deck game pays 3:2 now.
The reviews are meant to reflect a point in time. So, I make almost no effort to document changes since the time of the review. If I did, I'd be bothered with such updates all the time.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI don't get the reference.
In the first Austin Powers movie, they show a scene in which Austin is playing high-limit blackjack. Number Two, Dr. Evil's right-hand man, is at the table. It goes like this:
Number two gets a 10-7. Austin gets a 3-2. Dealer is showing a King. Number Two, who wears an eye patch, activates X-ray vision in it, sees that the next card in the show is a 4, and hits over the dealer's advice, replying, "I like to live dangerously," and drawing to 21. Austin looks at his cards - and waves them off. Once again, over the dealer's advice. He replies, "I also like to live dangerously." Dealer turns up another 10-card and takes his chips.
Austin's reply? "Well I won't lie to you. Cards aren't my bag."
Quote: WizardI'd be interested to know if you warned the player before you gave him the card.
Advising players isn't permitted in my casino (though I've heard some dealers still do it.) I never advise, although supervisors may do so. There wasn't around, and the player pretty much knew the move was risky (though he didn't seem to comprehend that the move was less "risky" and more "downright insane.")
Quote: hwccdealerAdvising players isn't permitted in my casino (though I've heard some dealers still do it.) I never advise, although supervisors may do so. There wasn't around, and the player pretty much knew the move was risky (though he didn't seem to comprehend that the move was less "risky" and more "downright insane.")
You don't have to give advice. Do you call out the players' totals? All you have to do is repeat his total, in this case the player had 20, a couple of times and pause ever so slightly. You could also say dealer is showing a 5. I might even tip the dealer after that. ...Nah.
If he ignores you then he's on his own.
Quote: 1BBYou don't have to give advice. Do you call out the players' totals? All you have to do is repeat his total, in this case the player had 20, a couple of times and pause ever so slightly. You could also say dealer is showing a 5. I might even tip the dealer after that. ...Nah.
If he ignores you then he's on his own.
If the player hadn't been rude (and preferably if they had also been tipping), I would 'pretend' to have missed their hand signal anytime that I thought they might want to reconsider. If possible, I would tailor my feigned inattentiveness to their style of play, but I was always as subtle as possible. Usually, if the mistake they were about to make was particularly egregious, one of the other players would verbalize what I was leaving unsaid.
Quote: hwccdealerIn the first Austin Powers movie, they show a scene in which Austin is playing high-limit blackjack. Number Two, Dr. Evil's right-hand man, is at the table. It goes like this:
Number two gets a 10-7. Austin gets a 3-2. Dealer is showing a King. Number Two, who wears an eye patch, activates X-ray vision in it, sees that the next card in the show is a 4, and hits over the dealer's advice, replying, "I like to live dangerously," and drawing to 21. Austin looks at his cards - and waves them off. Once again, over the dealer's advice. He replies, "I also like to live dangerously." Dealer turns up another 10-card and takes his chips.
Austin's reply? "Well I won't lie to you. Cards aren't my bag."
Ah, thank you. Been a long time since I've seen that movie.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhy can't people, dealers and players, just let them play their hands any damn way they want to?
+1
It was a really good table. Friendly dealer, good atmosphere. She was giving him a hard time about wanting to double. It became kind of a running joke.
Finally he had a hard 14 against like a 9 or something (it wasn't a dealer bust card), and he wanted to double.
After trying to talk some sense into him, he still wanted to. So we let him, and of course, he was dealt a 6 and won the hand.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAnd Number Two played it wrong!! He should've doubled!!!
I wouldn't draw that level of suspicion if I'm cheating. Even a card counter knows better than to draw that kind of attention.
Hitting is at least just a bit unbalanced. Doubling on a hard 17 is borderline insane. Number Two played it right. Just my two cents.
Quote: 1BBYou don't have to give advice. Do you call out the players' totals? All you have to do is repeat his total, in this case the player had 20, a couple of times and pause ever so slightly. You could also say dealer is showing a 5. I might even tip the dealer after that. ...Nah.
If he ignores you then he's on his own.
He was fully aware of what his total was. He was also fully aware that it was a risky move. He chose to hit anyway.
If someone does make a highly unusual move (i.e. doubling a hard total or hitting hard 17,) I may confirm with them that they're not just falling asleep at the wheel and then do as they ask if they want to. I may also do that if, say, they've consistently stood on hard 15 and 16 and then suddenly start hitting it. But if the camera shows them tapping the table on a hard 17, it's technically a hit, and if we go to surveillance, they'll side with me and call it a hit.
I do generally call out a player's total, especially if it's goofy-looking or has lots of cards. I don't generally call out the dealer's up-card, though. As far as I'm concerned, I'm their dealer, not their daddy, and if they want to be a ploppy, they can be a damn ploppy. And I usually call out at a higher volume any time a player splits, doubles, or makes a highly unusual move like the aforementioned hard-total double or hitting a hard 17.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWhy can't people, dealers and players, just let them play their hands any damn way they want to?
I do that. If someone wants to be an idiot and split 10s, that's their prerogative. That said, if it's really bizarre or out of character, I may confirm that's what they're doing. I work the grave shift, so I get a lot of zombies on my shift.
I do see a lot of people who gripe about other players, though, and will blatantly leave a table over another person's play.
Quote: hwccdealerI do that. If someone wants to be an idiot and split 10s, that's their prerogative. That said, if it's really bizarre or out of character, I may confirm that's what they're doing. I work the grave shift, so I get a lot of zombies on my shift.
I do see a lot of people who gripe about other players, though, and will blatantly leave a table over another person's play.
One of my reasons to split 10s.
Quote: 1BBOne of my reasons to split 10s.
It's the only reason I miss the Sahara - and their $1 BJ table. :)
The reaction from the other players is worth every cent of the negative EV.
Quote: 1BBOne of my reasons to split 10s.
In my ploppy days, before I learned basic strategy, I would have pulled something like that. But I would have to be certain that it would cheese a player off enough to leave the table to consider it.
I thought that was pretty bad until the guy next to me bet a "$30 place-not-buy 4."
When asked (not by me, I've learned to keep my mouth shut) why he didn't buy it, he said "because you have to pay the vig up front and behind." Yea, ooookay. He happily took his $54 payout when it hit and smiled smugly at everybody shaking their heads.
Quote: wudgedNot really out of the ordinary, but I saw $30 big 6 and big 8 bets at the other end of the craps table.
I thought that was pretty bad until the guy next to me bet a "$30 place-not-buy 4."
When asked (not by me, I've learned to keep my mouth shut) why he didn't buy it, he said "because you have to pay the vig up front and behind." Yea, ooookay. He happily took his $54 payout when it hit and smiled smugly at everybody shaking their heads.
I get the once-in-a-blue-moon players who place and don't buy the 4. Most of them will buy it when I tell them buying it pays better. In the last one's case, he just placed for $20 and the shooter sevened out pretty quickly, so it didn't matter.
It's not as bad at the pass-line-after-the-point-is-established crowd who INSIST on placing a pass line bet rather than a place bet, even when they require the same amount of money and stand to make less. Usually I call out "point is placed" if someone puts a bet down like that and people are OK with it. But I guess ploppies keep the lights on.
Today I saw someone stand on 2,2 vs a dealer 4.
