Worst plays you've ever witnessed
Quote: BigJerThey've actually runs loads of simulations on the issue of lousy players and found that it has no impact. The reason being they are just as likely to take a card that could help as one that could hurt the dealer. The Wizard talks about this issue in this YouTube video at 9:05.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUsN-GNCSY
I'm not sure why you're telling this to me when it seems G55 could benefit from it more. I run the same simulations every day at work on live subjects.
Quote: Gambit55Right, but shouldn't someone who is NOT counting and has little knowledge of BJ strategy take the advice of others at the table?
I think a better question is, "Who earned the money that they placed on the felt?"
Quote: Gambit55Especially if the DEALER is telling them not to do it?
You haven't been around here very long, so I'll tell you: Dealers aren't held in very high regard by most of the players here.
Quote: Gambit55I dunno about you, but I'd rather be with the table than against them.
Let's get back to this one later...
Quote: Gambit55
I can understand making an honest mistake, but intentionally going against the table's wishes out of sheer stupidity is inexcusable.
I've dealt a lot of blackjack and I've yet to hear the table offer an opinion. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
Quote: Gambit55Even if the erratic play ends up saving the table, it puts everyone on Edge and makes for a lousy atmosphere.
And that's why believing in mythology is a bad thing. How others play shouldn't affect anyone else emotionally.
Quote: Gambit55I could see the disapproving eyes and felt the pressure not to. But knew this had to be done for many reasons.
Quote: Gambit55I dunno about you, but I'd rather be with the table than against them.
So... which is it?
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI'm not sure why you're telling this to me when it seems G55 could benefit from it more. I run the same simulations every day at work on live subjects.
I was just re-enforcing what you were saying that's all.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI doubled on a hard 13 once in my life and got an 8 for 21, and it was the CORRECT PLAY.
Yeah it was correct for that one time but that's it.
Quote: BigJerYeah it was correct for that one time but that's it.
Him being a committed AP, I'm pretty sure he meant the dealer flashed. If he'd just gotten lucky, it wouldn't have been right, because such a consequentialist attitude will screw you over, if not in the casino, then somewhere.
Quote: 24BingoHim being a committed AP, I'm pretty sure he meant the dealer flashed. If he'd just gotten lucky, it wouldn't have been right, because such a consequentialist attitude will screw you over, if not in the casino, then somewhere.
OK.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyHere's an interesting contrast. Or perhaps an example of cognitive dissonance...
So... which is it?
Different situation. Nobody was yelling at me not to, just giving me the worried eyes. Plus it's a pretty easy split of 9's against a 5 as opposed to hitting 15 against a 6.
If someone stood up and said "NO!"... then i would not have done it. But it was not the case.
Clear enough for ya?
Quote: Gambit55Different situation. Nobody was yelling at me not to, just giving me the worried eyes. Plus it's a pretty easy split of 9's against a 5 as opposed to hitting 15 against a 6.
If someone stood up and said "NO!"... then i would not have done it. But it was not the case.
Clear enough for ya?
What I usually say if someone says something is "I'll listen to Ed Thorp before I listen to anybody else!" That usually shuts them up.
Although one time one guy said to "But it was written by man!" I almost said to him 'So wasn't the Bible!'
Quote: BigJerI can tell you not of the worst play but the worst theory on BJ. I was in Reno and one guy said to me "That's a lousy cut." I thought he was kidding right? Then he said to me that "A professional told me you should always cut 3/4 of the way in." He was serious too! BTW he was one of the worse BJ players I had seen. Splitting his tens for what was obviously no reason - the count wasn't there - and splitting fives. And he was criticizing everybody else's play. It was one of the couple of times I could have decked someone at the table.
Yea, I hate the people that get all bent out of shape because the FIRST hand after the cut doesn't go their way! I remember cutting the deck and the first hand the dealer dealt 2 Blackjacks and 2 Twenties(I was one of em). The other person at the table had 17 and the Dealer had 20. She points at me and says "He cut it!" Only to end up cashing out $200 ahead at the end of the shoe and every one of us ended up winning a decent amount when the shoe was over.
Quote: Gambit55Yea, I hate the people that get all bent out of shape because the FIRST hand after the cut doesn't go their way! I remember cutting the deck and the first hand the dealer dealt 2 Blackjacks and 2 Twenties(I was one of em). The other person at the table had 17 and the Dealer had 20. She points at me and says "He cut it!" Only to end up cashing out $200 ahead at the end of the shoe and every one of us ended up winning a decent amount when the shoe was over.
What I say sometimes is "Well the important thing is I won." It brushes them off and gets the table laughing too.
Quote: Gambit55Different situation.
Well, obviously. You thought one was a good move as opposed to a bad one.
Quote: Gambit55
Nobody was yelling at me not to, just giving me the worried eyes.
And that makes a difference?
Quote: Gambit55Plus it's a pretty easy split of 9's against a 5 as opposed to hitting 15 against a 6.
I dunno, it's just a hand signal, they both sound easy to me.
Quote: Gambit55
If someone stood up and said "NO!"... then i would not have done it. But it was not the case.
Seriously? You'd let someone else decide how you should spend your money?
Quote: Gambit55Clear enough for ya?
Hmmm... I'm not sure. Can you explain it again?
Quote: Gambit55Too much time on your hands Monkey?
Not enough time to answer some simple questions?
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyNot enough time to answer some simple questions?
Nah I actually have a life, I don't need to follow people around from thread to thread like some lost puppy.
Or should I post this in the Dealer Begging for Tips thread?
Quote: Gambit55If someone stood up and said "NO!"... then i would not have done it.
I was curious about this too. You are comfortable betting $100 a hand with $25 side bets, but you will let what someone else thinks affect your play?
With some study and discipline, using the money you clearly have available for gambling, you could become a serious advantage player. Instead, all I get from your posts is punter.
This forum has attracted some of the best minds in gambling... when we see people under-performing their potential, some people get snarky.
Quote: dwheatleyI was curious about this too. You are comfortable betting $100 a hand with $25 side bets, but you will let what someone else thinks affect your play?
With some study and discipline, using the money you clearly have available for gambling, you could become a serious advantage player. Instead, all I get from your posts is punter.
This forum has attracted some of the best minds in gambling... when we see people under-performing their potential, some people get snarky.
Depends on a multitude of factors.
1) How much I'm betting on said hand
2) How much I'm up or down at the time
3) What the atmosphere of the table is(fairly good players to piss poor players)
4) And obviously the count.
As for last night's miracle hit, that was NOT my average bet. Things just started heating up and I started pressing, winning and decided to play the Lucky Ladies "for the hell of it" because I was getting a lot of inital 10 cards and there were 7 live Queen of Harts in the deck. It took about 9 bets of $10(hitting 2 20s) and 4 bets of $25(hitting one suited 20) to finally get the 2 Queen of Hearts, but it happened. The dealer Blackjack was just a huge, unexpected bonus!
I went to Harrah's last night for fun with a couple of friends. Had no intention to play hard, but things were working and a big bet paid off.
Quote: dwheatleyI was curious about this too. You are comfortable betting $100 a hand with $25 side bets, but you will let what someone else thinks affect your play?
With some study and discipline, using the money you clearly have available for gambling, you could become a serious advantage player. Instead, all I get from your posts is punter.
This forum has attracted some of the best minds in gambling... when we see people under-performing their potential, some people get snarky.
Not to pile on or anything but I have to agree. One of the things when becoming an AP is to have a thick skin on what other players think. You have to be happy in the fact that you know the best play and it's been shown mathematically to be such. You also have to be happy with yourself in knowing that they are wrong. One of the many quips I say is "I listen to Mathematicians and experts before I listen to anyone else!" Some people at the table say to me "You're so right."
Quote: BigJerNot to pile on or anything but I have to agree. One of the things when becoming an AP is to have a thick skin on what other players think. You have to be happy in the fact that you know the best play and it's been shown mathematically to be such. You also have to be happy with yourself in knowing that they are wrong. One of the many quips I say is "I listen to Mathematicians and experts before I listen to anyone else!" Some people at the table say to me "You're so right."
True, but you also have to consider that some people don't give 2 craps about that and will jump you in the parking lot for spite.
I can handle myself one on one, but anybody can be ambushed late at night in a parking garage/bus terminal if they're not careful. Why give someone a reason to do it?
Quote: Gambit55True, but you also have to consider that some people don't give 2 craps about that and will jump you in the parking lot for spite.
I can handle myself one on one, but anybody can be ambushed late at night in a parking garage/bus terminal if they're not careful. Why give someone a reason to do it?
Then just ignore them - don't say anything - and do the play anyways. I have gotten a "look" from someone and left the table a little while after that; the guy looked a little psycho at my play. And if you thing you might get jumped then ask for a security escort to your vehicle.
BTW I do understand the issue of jumping you in the parking lot but, maybe I don't worry about it too much because I studied Tae Kwon Do and was very good at it. Also I'm 6'3' and weight about 250.
Quote: BigJerThen just ignore them - don't say anything - and do the play anyways. I have gotten a "look" from someone and left the table a little while after that; the guy looked a little psycho at my play. And if you thing you might get jumped then ask for a security escort to your vehicle.
BTW I do understand the issue of jumping you in the parking lot but, maybe I don't worry about it too much because I studied Tae Kwon Do and was very good at it. Also I'm 6'3' and weight about 250.
Again, it's not something you dwell on all night. Chances are, you forget about it hours later. But it COULD happen if you do something unpopular, despite warnings from another patron. You might not think about it, but the other person may not be able to let it go. Worse if that person has a weapon or even a beer bottle handy and comes at ya.
Just not something I wanna deal with or ruin my night by worrying over. Like I said, if the dealer beats us, so be it. But don't HELP them do it!
My philosophy that has served me well in Blackjack.
Quote: Gambit55Nah I actually have a life,
I don't. I work, sleep, and read this message board.
Quote: Gambit55I don't need to follow people around from thread to thread like some lost puppy.
I don't *need* to follow anyone around, but when I see someone consistently spouting nonsense I do tend to point it out.
Quote: Gambit55
Or should I post this in the Dealer Begging for Tips thread?
I'm assuming this is rhetorical, sense you've already posted it here, but then again, based on the logic of some of your other posts I'll try to help you out: Post it where ever you like.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyI don't. I work, sleep, and read this message board.
I don't *need* to follow anyone around, but when I see someone consistently spouting nonsense I do tend to point it out.
I'm assuming this is rhetorical, sense you've already posted it here, but then again, based on the logic of some of your other posts I'll try to help you out: Post it where ever you like.
So the one who says, "I don't follow anyone around" but has to point out what they erroneously conclude is consistent nonsense after one post?
Guess they're right, don't listen to dealers. They know less than drunk frat boys!
Quote: Gambit55
Guess they're right, don't listen to dealers. They know less than drunk frat boys!
Who is this "they" you're referring to, the voices in your head?
That's the worst play I've ever witnessed.
Quote: MakingBookWhile playing blackjack, I saw another player tip the dealer. What the hell was he thinking?
That's the worst play I've ever witnessed.
I thought I remembered you saying that you never play blackjack, you just meet your "customers" there.
Quote: Gambit55So the one who says, "I don't follow anyone around" but has to point out what they erroneously conclude is consistent nonsense after one post?
Guess they're right, don't listen to dealers. They know less than drunk frat boys!
Who do most dealers learn blackjack from? Ploppies.
Quote: 1BBWho do most dealers learn blackjack from? Ploppies.
Thought that they had to be trained first? Guess they'll give anybody a gaming license!
The dealers on this forum are the exception.
Quote: BigJerOne bad play was actually done by myself. A weeks ago I was playing and my new contacts hadn't quite yet adjusted so I had misread some cards. Anyways to make a long story short I wound up DD on a hard 13! Drew a ten.
Did the dealer pause and ask if you were sure or just slap the card down? This is one of those things that separates the good dealers from the not so good.
Quote: 1BBDid the dealer pause and ask if you were sure or just slap the card down? This is one of those things that separates the good dealers from the not so good.
He didn't say anything until he yelled out "Doubling on 13" to the pit. Then it was too late.
Quote: BigJerHe didn't say anything until he yelled out "Doubling on 13" to the pit. Then it was too late.
Saw that happen with some old, crazy guy who claimed he was a stand up comedian.
He was actually laughing before he Doubled 13, and after the dealer gave him a 10...still laughing!
Anyway, the dealer didn't 2nd guess the guy and did the same thing of yelling... "Doubling on 13"
Quote: Gambit55Saw that happen with some old, crazy guy who claimed he was a stand up comedian.
He was actually laughing before he Doubled 13, and after the dealer gave him a 10...still laughing!
Anyway, the dealer didn't 2nd guess the guy and did the same thing of yelling... "Doubling on 13"
No doubt he was crazy more than he was a comedian. lol Jeez. Laughing after you bust.
BTW one time when I was too tired to play I hit on a 21 and the dealer didn't say anything either. Those have been the only two plays out of thousands of hands that, I know of, have screwed up on; well that doesn't count the one that worked out well when I inadvertently hit on a 20 and pulled an ace so I guess I've had a total of three that I know of.
BTW G55, do you use HiLo? You're an AP right?
So that the rest of the adults don't have to listen to you two argue like schoolgirls..
Just sayin...
I would often teach ladies on the bus how to play BJ just so they could get a soda pop.
Wife's friend Cookie was finally dragged from slots, had her coke, desperate to get back to slots, had $18 left from $20 buy in.
She bet 10 for herself and a $8 tip for dealer. Dealer had a 5 up. Cookie was at 3rd base with a 15 and asked for a hit. Dealer asked if she was sure and when she nodded yes, he looked to me for help.
I shrugged and said it was her call. She gets a 6 for 21, dealer has a 10 under hits it with a 5, everybody loses but Cookie.
Dealer looks at me and says " Well, what do the experts know ? "
Quote: Gambit55Thought that they had to be trained first? Guess they'll give anybody a gaming license!
Looks like we can add another item to the list of things you don't know squat about but comment on anyway.
Dealer training has nothing to do with teaching the pros and cons of superstition or mythology. Dealers that believe that sort of crap either already thought it, or heard it so many times from ploppies that they have begun to believe it. Neither case makes them or you right.
So please, stop embarrassing yourselves, and spend less time bickering and more time on the game. Thanks.
Quote: WongBoGambit and monkey...you know there is a private message feature
So that the rest of the adults don't have to listen to you two argue like schoolgirls..
Just sayin...
What's wrong are you jealous that you're not in the spotlight. I'll give Gambit one thing, he doesn't post something and go back and delete it. That is what I would call behaving like a schoolgirl.
Quote: WongBoI have read posts from both contenders in this argument which indicate less than perfect knowledge of AP blackjack,
So please, stop embarrassing yourselves, and spend less time bickering and more time on the game. Thanks.
Could you point out where AP play was mentioned? Stop embarrassing yourself.
I delete posts that were made for my own entertainment or that might be construed as not adding to the discussion,
Something you should definitely consider for many of your own pointless entries.
When you respond with some retort, bear in mind you are behaving predictably and adding nothing to the discussion.
