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April 17th, 2019 at 3:50:09 PM permalink
I copied and paste this from another site and I don't care about spelling or grammar.


I have discovered similar things like this in two casinos. It was always weekends and main floor games. The handshuffled games at 100 min was where I always grinded out the hours after losing massive on the main floor in both senarios. Would see counts of plus 50 running count way more then normal of -50. Once of these casinos was harrahs Cherokee in North Carolina, I recently played there for a week. Lost about 80k on the main floor at 2x800 top bets which is a huge swing and then won back 81k in high limit room handshuffled. I played 100 hours in a week there. I played unrated the whole time and the last 2 days they id checked me in high limit when I showed up. I figured I was done anyway and I had 80k of there chips I needed to cash out anyway. They took my name, called on the phone and said, yeah that's him and let me play for 2 more days. I have already been backed off this store once is 2014 or somewhere around there. on the 7th day of play security comes and tells me im done. Im like ok cool I need to cash these chips. Now I did not ever use a tool there and only played unrated. I give the casino my chips and the lady cashier goes
"your 86 from all ceasars properties" I was like I certainly am not and no one has told me that ever, which is correct. She says im going to need to confiscated those chips and give u a receipt till you get this figured all out. I grab her hand and forcifly pull her forward and say look bitch, you going to need to kill me before you rob me for 80k. I grab the chips back and call the police. The police say they cant help me only tribal police. Tribal police show up and say your 86 and if u don't leave this second your going to be arrested. I am still out the 80k. I never thought casino cheating is real but if there willing to make up stories just to steal chips of an unrated card counter why wouldn't they cheat. The look in the eyes of them was of pure evil and murder like they wanted to kill someone. I will never put it past certain casinos to cheat. I also don't know many counters who ever had done well there. There is something fucked up about there mainfloor and 50 dollar pit games on the weekeends

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did ZK drive to NC?
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"your 86 from all ceasars properties" I was like I certainly am not and no one has told me that ever, which is correct. She says im going to need to confiscated those chips and give u a receipt till you get this figured all out. I grab her hand and forcifly pull her forward and say look b****, you going to need to kill me before you rob me for 80k. I grab the chips back and call the police.



this is a popcorn grabbing story here i tell ya
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April 17th, 2019 at 4:10:09 PM permalink
eat a dick gwae
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April 17th, 2019 at 4:11:46 PM permalink
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eat a dick gwae



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April 17th, 2019 at 4:13:52 PM permalink
It was a dark and stormy night. Father had recently returned from Overseas duty and Mother had reluctantly parted ways with the dark haired pool boy......
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April 17th, 2019 at 4:16:23 PM permalink
Harrahs SoCal pulled some similar bs on me and stole my money, much smaller amount though.
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if you think I made this up , you can also eat a dick...…..
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April 17th, 2019 at 4:18:17 PM permalink
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Harrahs SoCal pulled some similar bs on me and stole my money, much smaller amount though.





that's fucking crazy too man , harrahs and tribal teamed up no beuno
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April 17th, 2019 at 4:40:43 PM permalink
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eat a dick gwae



just an FYI.. you didnt say this was your story. You said you copied it from another site.

FYI 2, it was a joke
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April 17th, 2019 at 4:47:25 PM permalink
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if you think I made this up , you can also eat a dick...…..



Trying to figure out if eating a dick is a negative? Not sure if you mean actually biting if off and eating it? Do you also chew it as to not choke?

Or are you using this as a negative? We now have a Presidental contender who proudly enjoys taking dick in both of his orifices. Why do you see this as an insult?

Pete “ I like it in the” Buttigieg may very well be our next President.

So please stop insulting reputable members here who may see Pete as a good dude.
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April 17th, 2019 at 4:48:59 PM permalink
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if you think I made this up , you can also eat a dick...…..




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April 17th, 2019 at 5:04:46 PM permalink
lmao, that spoiler was epic
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April 17th, 2019 at 7:33:16 PM permalink
This sucks, I've been hearing about a lot of things like this recently by casinos.

One strategy that I've heard working is saying that you will contact media and tell them that the casino stole your money.

Maybe there are also grounds to sue the corporate entity of Harrah's despite not being able to sue the casino. You could potentially sue them for giving false information to the casino which resulted in the theft of your money.
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April 17th, 2019 at 10:42:20 PM permalink
Quote: randomperson

This sucks, I've been hearing about a lot of things like this recently by casinos.

One strategy that I've heard working is saying that you will contact media and tell them that the casino stole your money.

Maybe there are also grounds to sue the corporate entity of Harrah's despite not being able to sue the casino. You could potentially sue them for giving false information to the casino which resulted in the theft of your money.



Ya, that scares me when I hear it. I also get really scared when people ask if I know who they are. And I basically comp anything someone wants if they say they know their rights.


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April 17th, 2019 at 10:57:31 PM permalink
It's like when the FDIC only covers the first $250 when the bank fails.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:05:35 AM permalink
you should go to the newspaper and tv. "casino refuses to cash out 80k in chips" would be a good story. also if this is harrahs then you could just sue them.
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April 18th, 2019 at 8:14:45 AM permalink
Go to the news. Openly list the names of the people involved. Repeatedly list the name, address, and phone number of the casino involved in every post that you make on the internet. Get the key words working for you. When people do Google searches for the casino they will see your complaints.
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April 18th, 2019 at 9:28:06 AM permalink
IF Harrahs corporate sent out incorrect information that he was evicted at all properties he may have a case against Harrahs corporate

If they claimed he did something that was false he may even have a libel claim

Damages for libel are usually restrained to actual damaged but $80,000 in confiscation should be easy enough to claim as provable damages
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April 18th, 2019 at 10:10:25 AM permalink
Unless of course, the whole story is fake.


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April 18th, 2019 at 10:25:52 AM permalink
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Unless of course, the whole story is fake.


ZCore13



But its on the internet?
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April 18th, 2019 at 10:46:44 AM permalink
The story is not fake.
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April 18th, 2019 at 11:07:01 AM permalink
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The story is not fake.



Prove it.


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April 18th, 2019 at 12:38:08 PM permalink
Lol, Zcore, per usual. SMH. It's not fake.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:41:57 PM permalink
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Lol, Zcore, per usual. SMH. It's not fake.



He works for a casino. Seems par for the course....lol
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:43:59 PM permalink
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Lol, Zcore, per usual. SMH. It's not fake.



I dont think its fake but I do think there is more to the story
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:55:57 PM permalink
Definitely more to the story. Like, a description of why the previous trespass happened, or why ordinary and coincidentally winning BJ play led to issues this time. It's not like the player was removed because he won $80k straight-up. Also, what would have to happen in order for a chain-wide ban to be implemented? I took it like the Cherokee folks had determined that whatever the player's actions were had risen to the level where Cherokee had initiated the chain-wide ban and were informing him of that decision.
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April 18th, 2019 at 1:24:18 PM permalink
Hey I don't know if im banned or not cause I can still login under smallcapgrowth I just cant make a new thread or respond.


None of what im saying is a lie and there isn't more to the story except that I have been playing professional for like 5 years and I traveled all over the country and some parts of the world. I am a well known player in the databases and casinos hate me. I did nothing wrong. I was card counting blackjack lost 80k won it back plus 1k over a week perod and then they tossed me. I video tapped the interaction with the police if people don't believe me. I am sorry if making a second account is against the rules and sorry for telling people to eat a dick, I just got a temper and I apologize.
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April 18th, 2019 at 1:40:01 PM permalink
also it says im too new to post links here so I private messaged the video to gwae. He can post it here if he wants or just tell you about it. That's all I just wanted to defend myself, please don't bust these posts. If im banned that's fine too, I just want to warn other players whats going on at that joint.
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April 18th, 2019 at 1:49:19 PM permalink
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Hey I don't know if im banned or not cause I can still login under smallcapgrowth I just cant make a new thread or respond.



The user Id SmallCapGrowth is indeed restricted. You cannot and must not create a new account to circumvent that.

I'm going to suspend the second account and ask my fellow mods why the first account was suspended and see if a reinstatement is appropriate. If it's not, then you're not to create more Ids.
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The user Id SmallCapGrowth is indeed restricted. You cannot and must not create a new account to circumvent that.

I'm going to suspend the second account and ask my fellow mods why the first account was suspended and see if a reinstatement is appropriate. If it's not, then you're not to create more Ids.



Almost certain that face did it yesterday for the eat a comment. I hope that smallcap is not nuked for making the second account. It appears that he did not know what was going on. I think if someone is suspended there should be a PM sent to them with the reason and how long.
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April 18th, 2019 at 2:18:57 PM permalink
BtW since it was mentioned. The link to a YouTube video that was sent to me is not available so I did not get to see it.
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April 18th, 2019 at 3:11:04 PM permalink
Fake news. Not a credible source. Lots of missing information. I've heard and read plenty of credible stories. This in not one of them.


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April 18th, 2019 at 3:13:42 PM permalink
Harrah's Cherokee is the casino closest to me, and I am reasonably familiar with it and know a fairly large number of people that gamble and play poker there. North Carolina has essentially punted on casino regulation, and it is regulated 100% by the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.

Frankly, there are a number of "urban legends" of accounts that Cherokee is not always a model of integrity in some of its games and/or in its treatment of clients - but, to the best of my knowledge, all of these accounts are "unproven" third-party hear-say. I have personally heard one such account from a person who says he is a spouse of an ex-employee - but I otherwise have no evidence, and so will not repeat it here in this thread.

I do, however, note that major Nevada casinos don't seem to have a similar cloud of rumors. Just saying.
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April 18th, 2019 at 4:36:35 PM permalink
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Harrah's Cherokee is the casino closest to me, and I am reasonably familiar with it and know a fairly large number of people that gamble and play poker there. North Carolina has essentially punted on casino regulation, and it is regulated 100% by the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.

Frankly, there are a number of "urban legends" of accounts that Cherokee is not always a model of integrity in some of its games and/or in its treatment of clients - but, to the best of my knowledge, all of these accounts are "unproven" third-party hear-say. I have personally heard one such account from a person who says he is a spouse of an ex-employee - but I otherwise have no evidence, and so will not repeat it here in this thread.

I do, however, note that major Nevada casinos don't seem to have a similar cloud of rumors. Just saying.



lets stop beating around the bush. these shufflers can communicate with each other by creating a mesh network through wifi, and can generate hands independently for the house edge for every dollar spent. This is aided by the cameras which can recongnize you and provide the shuffler with a unique id for you in order to give you a specific house edge which does not allow you to exceed their standards.
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April 18th, 2019 at 5:01:16 PM permalink
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lets stop beating around the bush. these shufflers can communicate with each other by creating a mesh network through wifi, and can generate hands independently for the house edge for every dollar spent. This is aided by the cameras which can recongnize you and provide the shuffler with a unique id for you in order to give you a specific house edge which does not allow you to exceed their standards.



Probably created by the guys who designed the 9-11 hoax.
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April 18th, 2019 at 5:13:47 PM permalink
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Almost certain that face did it yesterday for the eat a comment. I hope that smallcap is not nuked for making the second account. It appears that he did not know what was going on. I think if someone is suspended there should be a PM sent to them with the reason and how long.



No, not nuked. That's more for folks who purposely evade a suspension, not new members who don't know.

@smallcap, you're suspended for the comment. Know that this place is run more tightly than most and profanity is disallowed, as is holding more than one account for any reason. Just take a breath next time; suspensions are doubled every time one is incurred and it's not worth getting tangled in the nonsense.

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April 18th, 2019 at 5:17:32 PM permalink
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Probably created by the guys who designed the 9-11 hoax.



A sub-project of 9-11 from what i understand
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April 18th, 2019 at 5:40:47 PM permalink
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Fake news. Not a credible source. Lots of missing information. I've heard and read plenty of credible stories. This in not one of them.


ZCore13


You’re like 0 for 100 when it comes to knowing what actually happens in casinos. Not every casino is run the way the two casinos you’ve worked for are run. And speaking of irony, SCG is actually a credible source.
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April 18th, 2019 at 7:03:28 PM permalink
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You’re like 0 for 100 when it comes to knowing what actually happens in casinos. Not every casino is run the way the two casinos you’ve worked for are run. And speaking of irony, SCG is actually a credible source.



That's kind of strange, since everything I predict and get criticized for here comes true.

I could name half a dozen things off the top of my head.

And SCG is not a credible source on this story. I guarantee it's far from the true story. Where's any proof that it happened that way? Police report? Lawsuit? Court filings? Witnesses? Video of the conversation with the gaming board? Receipt for the money they took? Anything?


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Quote: RS

You’re like 0 for 100 when it comes to knowing what actually happens in casinos. Not every casino is run the way the two casinos you’ve worked for are run. And speaking of irony, SCG is actually a credible source.



That's kind of strange, since everything I predict and get criticized for here comes true.

I could name half a dozen things off the top of my head.

And SCG is not a credible source on this story. I guarantee it's far from the true story. Where's any proof that it happened that way? Police report? Lawsuit? Court filings? Witnesses? Video of the conversation with the gaming board? Receipt for the money they took? Anything?


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I don't care what happened that lead up to this. He shouldn't be on this or any forum saying or showing anything. I find it strange someone like him would do that. He needs to stop posting and contact a lawyer or someone that can help him and then tell his story after it's all figured out one way or the other. I don't know why you think this stuff doesn't and cant happen? You only need one person to make a bad call for something like this to happen. It seems to me that once a security guard or management makes a bad decision even others who know its probably the wrong decision they will back that person up and.
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April 18th, 2019 at 8:34:56 PM permalink
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Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

You’re like 0 for 100 when it comes to knowing what actually happens in casinos. Not every casino is run the way the two casinos you’ve worked for are run. And speaking of irony, SCG is actually a credible source.



That's kind of strange, since everything I predict and get criticized for here comes true.

I could name half a dozen things off the top of my head.

And SCG is not a credible source on this story. I guarantee it's far from the true story. Where's any proof that it happened that way? Police report? Lawsuit? Court filings? Witnesses? Video of the conversation with the gaming board? Receipt for the money they took? Anything?


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I don't care what happened that lead up to this. He shouldn't be on this or any forum saying or showing anything. I find it strange someone like him would do that. He needs to stop posting and contact a lawyer or someone that can help him and then tell his story after it's all figured out one way or the other. I don't know why you think this stuff doesn't and cant happen? You only need one person to make a bad call for something like this to happen. It seems to me that once a security guard or management makes a bad decision even others who know its probably the wrong decision they will back that person up and.



It can and does happen, I just don't believe his story. Give me a realistic description of what happened and I can believe it. Heck, I'll help with any info I can give or get. Come in with some proof. Something more realistic than I copied and pasted this so I don't care about the spelling. Lol. I hear stuff like this every night. Then I look up the info and it's not even close.


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April 18th, 2019 at 9:26:53 PM permalink
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lets stop beating around the bush. these shufflers can communicate with each other by creating a mesh network through wifi, and can generate hands independently for the house edge for every dollar spent. This is aided by the cameras which can recongnize you and provide the shuffler with a unique id for you in order to give you a specific house edge which does not allow you to exceed their standards.




Very true.
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April 19th, 2019 at 3:43:06 AM permalink
Quote: heatmap

lets stop beating around the bush. these shufflers can communicate with each other by creating a mesh network through wifi, and can generate hands independently for the house edge for every dollar spent. This is aided by the cameras which can recongnize you and provide the shuffler with a unique id for you in order to give you a specific house edge which does not allow you to exceed their standards.



After thinking about it overnight, I still can’t figure out if you believe this or not.

That said, I’m not totally trusting that there isn’t a “Beast” mode or some adjustments that can be made on CSM’s.
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April 19th, 2019 at 3:59:20 AM permalink
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After thinking about it overnight, I still can’t figure out if you believe this or not.

That said, I’m not totally trusting that there isn’t a “Beast” mode or some adjustments that can be made on CSM’s.



Its apparently possible because the Wizard devoted some time and study to it based on credible information.

There is a whole thread devoted to it.

His tests were inconclusive I believe (kind of the AP version of the Mueller report)
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April 19th, 2019 at 8:42:09 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: RS

You’re like 0 for 100 when it comes to knowing what actually happens in casinos. Not every casino is run the way the two casinos you’ve worked for are run. And speaking of irony, SCG is actually a credible source.



That's kind of strange, since everything I predict and get criticized for here comes true.

I could name half a dozen things off the top of my head.

And SCG is not a credible source on this story. I guarantee it's far from the true story. Where's any proof that it happened that way? Police report? Lawsuit? Court filings? Witnesses? Video of the conversation with the gaming board? Receipt for the money they took? Anything?


ZCore13

I don't care what happened that lead up to this. He shouldn't be on this or any forum saying or showing anything. I find it strange someone like him would do that. He needs to stop posting and contact a lawyer or someone that can help him and then tell his story after it's all figured out one way or the other. I don't know why you think this stuff doesn't and cant happen? You only need one person to make a bad call for something like this to happen. It seems to me that once a security guard or management makes a bad decision even others who know its probably the wrong decision they will back that person up and.



It can and does happen, I just don't believe his story. Give me a realistic description of what happened and I can believe it. Heck, I'll help with any info I can give or get. Come in with some proof. Something more realistic than I copied and pasted this so I don't care about the spelling. Lol. I hear stuff like this every night. Then I look up the info and it's not even close.


ZCore13

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497562399700942860/568565756057354250/video.mov

Here ya go. To me, it looks like what he is saying is absolutely true. Of course, you are now going to say there was some kind of back story he wasn't telling us.

Unless he was cheating at the time he won the 80k in chips or was not 21 there's absolutely no reason they should have tried to keep his chips or not cashed them. And if he was cheating, they should have detained him and called the athoritues. It's obvious they did not suspect him of cheating.

Give me a GOOD reason they should not have cashed his chips?
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April 19th, 2019 at 9:10:31 AM permalink
If there was ever any doubt that police officers act as agents of the casino rather than law enforcement officers in casino police interactions...
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April 19th, 2019 at 9:29:21 AM permalink
Sue corporate because he will get nowhere suing the tribe.

Corporate receives money from the tribal casino I have to imagine even if its just for the use of the name harrahs

So harrahs in essence took the money as well.

If he can get it back from corporate trust me corporate will get the tribe to fork it over to them

It is not an easy case either way due to the Indian compact issues
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April 19th, 2019 at 9:31:04 AM permalink
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After thinking about it overnight, I still can’t figure out if you believe this or not.

That said, I’m not totally trusting that there isn’t a “Beast” mode or some adjustments that can be made on CSM’s.



It was a joking tone and don’t believe it fully about the mesh network thing but I do fully believe the shuffler has the ability to read a profile or give an individual player their own “payout or house edge”. although it should be taken seriously because it’s not a bad idea if they are in a small area networked together by wifi mesh network because you can then say “look at this shuffler it only has a power cord” and get away with whatever communications you want without oversight.

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