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ZenKinG
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January 4th, 2019 at 8:13:29 PM permalink
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If you are trespassed for disorderly conduct, we will retain the video. End of story.



Please dont try and change the subject. We're talking about non disorderly conduct things such as card countind and then being read the trespass act and potentially being arrested. They cannot do that and its a violation on so many levels.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 4th, 2019 at 8:20:22 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Oh man ignorance is plentiful these days. Let me go and educate you and maybe you can spread the news to all the idiots you work for in gaming or casino management.

First off, sure a casino has a right to refuse service or what we call a back off, but they do not have the right to RESTRICT you from entering the premises of a public space. Secondly, I never said the arrest would be because of card counting. The arrest is based off of a criminal trespass, but for a criminal trespass to be legal in a public place such as a gaming establishment licensed by the government, it can ONLY OCCUR if their is disorderly midsconduct or destroying property, etc which had beem confirmed numerous times through court cases in Nevada as well as a careful understanding of the statutes in place. This all will be discovered in court when I seek discovery of why the casino trespassed me and when the casino will have no proof of any misconduct, the case will be thrown out for being unconstitutional by not letting me access a public space, which is a basic and fundamental right im this country.

If you want explicit details regarding the statutes and court cases, I suggest you go read my thread on the legality of casino trespassing.

Next.



I dont think you understand the definition of a public place. Your law applies to court houses, police stations, parks, etc. Those are public places. Casinos are open to the public, but are privately owned. Yes, they are licensed for specific activities, but they are not public entities.

If they have a rule against phones at the table and you don't follow, you can be kicked out and eventually banned. If they have a rule about smoking at a table and you don't follow it you can be kicked out and eventually banned. If you ask other customers for money, it's not a free speach issue. You will be kicked out and eventually banned.

You are in for a rude awakening and addition troubles in your life.


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January 4th, 2019 at 8:31:40 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Please dont try and change the subject. We're talking about non disorderly conduct things such as card countind and then being read the trespass act and potentially being arrested. They cannot do that and its a violation on so many levels.



No it isn't.

You're a funny guy: you try to "think like a lawyer" but in fact you seem to"think like a convict,"

If you were even half as smart as you think you are you'd realize there are other ways to test / prove your theory without risking getting locked up, but I won't tell you how.

Stick a fork in this guy, he's done.
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January 4th, 2019 at 8:38:33 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I dont think you understand the definition of a public place. Your law applies to court houses, police stations, parks, etc. Those are public places. Casinos are open to the public, but are privately owned. Yes, they are licensed for specific activities, but they are not public entities.

If they have a rule against phones at the table and you don't follow, you can be kicked out and eventually banned. If they have a rule about smoking at a table and you don't follow it you can be kicked out and eventually banned. If you ask other customers for money, it's not a free speach issue. You will be kicked out and eventually banned.

You are in for a rude awakening and addition troubles in your life.


ZCore13



You're the one that has a lot to learn. Nothing i say is my opinion and all backed by court cases, but keep trying, because i love nothing more than to shut ignorant people up.

First off, when you mention free speech, im guessing youre talking about my ability to access a public place such as a casino and the use of my 1st amendment. So with that being said, youre wrong because for me to go to prison, the GOVERNMENT has to put me in jail. So go ahead and tell me again about that wonderful 1st amendment? Will the governmemt deny my rights to access a public place? Or will it be held unconstitutional just like in the Wilkinsom and Thomas Robertson case? Try again.

Secondly, I suggest you go read the statutes in place for a gaming establishment and see if public places only apply to courthouses and police stations LOL. Last time I checked the 'open to the public' statute, they use a very careful verbiage of eject and exclude when referencing what they can do to you. I wonder why? Why not just use exclude for both? Why exclude from gaming activities and eject for when they say to eject from the premises? Double talk? Masquerading the truth? Hmm.

Actually if you read the court cases or my thread on this, you will see the court cases explain exactly what that statute is referencing and the inapplicability of NRS 207.200 towards someone who is not acting disorderly.

Like I said before. Try again.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 4th, 2019 at 8:39:12 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

You dont know who youre messing with. I suggest you tell your droned out immoral and ignorant security guards who blindly follow orders for a paycheck that theyre committing a major federal offense when they read me the trespass statute. Title 18 Section 241. Keep pissing me off and watch what happens. All of you will learn ignorance of the law is no excuse. If youre purposely bluffing, i just hope you realize even bluffing is considered a violation of my rights because as soon as you read me NRS 207.200 you have just committed a federal offense saying I cannot return to a public space after doing nothing disorderly or disruptive. A card counter cannot go to prison for simply using his brain playing blackjack and doing nothing illegal as that would be completely unconstitutional so it will be thrown out in court. On a private level, your security guards will be sued to oblivion under Title 18 Section 241.

You literally have these droned out security guards who are committing a major federal offense escorting you out the door and telling you that you cannot return or you will be arrested? I mean really? Is this russia or china? I dont think so. They dont know any better cause their IQ is about the same as a monkey and thinking they have the power to do that, but what really amazes me is how they still act like smart asses when I try to educate them theyre committing a felony. I swear on my grave, these casinos and security guards will learn that ignorance is no excuse. Youre playing with fire. Youll never meet someone like me in this city again.

Im willing to get illegally arrested and illegally railroaded by the judge because after i get out of prison i will go back to the same casinos again and for a repeat offender, the sentence will now go over 6 months and probably to a year. This is where theyre screwed. Ill now be able to get a jury trial since it wont be considered a 'petty offense' and wont be able to get railroaded by a corrupt judge. This is where Vegas will change forever regarding blackjack. Say hello to the new Atlantic City everyone. Coming soon to a store near you.



Any update on the Palms and their pre-shuffled decks ?
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January 4th, 2019 at 8:41:32 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

No it isn't.

You're a funny guy: you try to "think like a lawyer" but in fact you seem to"think like a convict,"

If you were even half as smart as you think you are you'd realize there are other ways to test / prove your theory without risking getting locked up, but I won't tell you how.

Stick a fork in this guy, he's done.



Does anyone have any facts to argue against me or is everyone always gonna try to make assumptions about me and use fear mongering as their arguments? Luckily fear doesnt exist with me cause im a step ahead of casinos and the government. It might work with 99% of this droned out society who are scared tooth and nail of what someone tells them rather than researching things and confirming it for themselves, but it wont work against me.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 4th, 2019 at 8:44:00 PM permalink
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Lol. I welcome your comedy back to the site. By any chance are you a Sovereign Citizen too??


ZCore13



Did you just try to insult my intelligence by calling me a Sovereign citizen and then masquerading it by saying 'By any chance' so you dont get banned? Admins? Unbelievable. I cant believe all the insults in this thread. Ive also been called a 'convict' as well and all im trying to do is help.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 4th, 2019 at 9:02:53 PM permalink
With all due respect, I think you've been dishing out at least as many insults as have been thrown your way, though I do feel like most people are trying to respond rationally to your post, which comes off as something of an unhinged, emotional tirade. Lots of people would love nothing more to see casinos knocked down a peg, but this all seems reckless.
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January 4th, 2019 at 9:11:17 PM permalink
Quote: Minty

With all due respect, I think you've been dishing out at least as many insults as have been thrown your way, though I do feel like most people are trying to respond rationally to your post, which comes off as something of an unhinged, emotional tirade. Lots of people would love nothing more to see casinos knocked down a peg, but this all seems reckless.



It might not insult you, but im completely offended and hope the admins take action.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 4th, 2019 at 9:11:57 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Any update on the Palms and their pre-shuffled decks ?



Yea theyre gonna be sued into oblivion.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.

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