100xOdds
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August 19th, 2018 at 4:52:58 AM permalink
was walking past a bj table when the dealer shouted this to the pit boss.
never heard it before so I stopped to see whats going on.

player has a Hard 17.
dealer deals him a 2.
my jaw dropped.

how did he do this?
(don't remember Dealer's up card.)
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August 19th, 2018 at 4:59:12 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

was walking past a bj table when the dealer shouted this to the pit boss.
never heard it before so I stopped to see whats going on.

player has a Hard 17.
dealer deals him a 2.
my jaw dropped.

how did he do this?
(don't remember Dealer's up card.)

Player was a lucky ploppy or he saw the hole card or he wore an x-ray eye-patch ( and somewhat gave away that likelihood in his play ).

If you are enjoying the game, you're already winning.
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August 19th, 2018 at 6:39:05 AM permalink
I did it once. I was losing a lot at $5 blackjack and I was sick of it. I had a 17 against a 10. I drew a 5. The dealer had a 20.

It was funny. There’s probably much worse plays that are made all the time, but everyone had acted like I was a madman.
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August 19th, 2018 at 6:25:36 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

was walking past a bj table when the dealer shouted this to the pit boss.
never heard it before so I stopped to see whats going on.

player has a Hard 17.
dealer deals him a 2.
my jaw dropped.

how did he do this?
(don't remember Dealer's up card.)



a dealer once told me a story of a table that was so drunk they continually did that and kept winning he said they were doubling down too
FleaStiff
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August 19th, 2018 at 7:48:34 PM permalink
My very first trip to Las Vegas, eons ago, Imperial Palace: I had 18 dealer had 10 showing I wanted another card, dealer hesitated, finally dealer said aloud Hitting Hard 18 and I got my 3. Only other player at the table got up and left in disgust at my taking a low card with such ridiculous play.
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August 19th, 2018 at 9:48:26 PM permalink
You can hit hard 17 v dealer A if the count is negative enough (-3 I think).
BlackjackGuy123
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August 19th, 2018 at 10:43:19 PM permalink
The index to hit 17 v A is much lower in a S17 game.
unJon
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August 20th, 2018 at 12:55:11 PM permalink
Fun fact, you would save about 8% in EV by surrendering a hard 17 vs a dealer T vs hitting, and probably reap about the same amount of consternation value at the table. Though maybe not because “the shoe would still be right.”

In an 8 deck shoe, hitting the hard 17 v T costs you almost the same EV as standing on a 12 v T.

Hitting the hard 17 v T costs more than 33 times the EV of standing on a hard 16 v T. Standing on 33 sixteens probably reaps way more consternation value than one hit of hard 17.

Though pulling a James Caan and doubling a hard 18 has to be the gold standard move here.
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100xOdds
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August 20th, 2018 at 1:31:15 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Fun fact, you would save about 8% in EV by surrendering a hard 17 vs a dealer T vs hitting,
and probably reap about the same amount of consternation value at the table. Though maybe not because “the shoe would still be right.”

wait..what? surrender if you're dealt '7 + facecard' vs a dealer 10 or A??

why isn't this on the strategy cards??
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August 20th, 2018 at 1:33:41 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

wait..what? surrender if you're dealt '7 + facecard' vs a dealer 10 or A??

why isn't this on the strategy cards??



Because standing > surrendering > hitting
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.

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