Did the lightbulb just go off about tipping$ ?
What are the chances valet parking your car or waitress bringing your cocktails is reporting all of those cash tips on his income taxes? 😂
Quote: Mission146Directly, not so much. Indirectly, I would say by tipping or not tipping. I would think some record is made of the contribution by each shift and table, so if you have a dealer consistently underperforming, (compared to same game/shift) you know you might have a problem. Maybe it doesn't work like that. Either way, I agree that pooled tipping sucks.
Chastise you for what? Tell her what to do with herself. People like that are why I can't just call myself a Democrat anymore. I refuse to be guilty by association.
Pooled tips; everywhere I've seen, the toke boxes are picked up once every 24 hrs only, and shared by everyone who worked that day (like, 3am to 3am, when the day shift comes on. Someone changes out the boxes, which don't have table-specific labels like the drop box does). The few times I've seen them do something different, they just dump each box into a common bin right there in the pit.
So I doubt they do keep track as closely as you suggested, either by table or by shift, let alone individual dealers. I could be wrong.
A cocktail waitress brought my drink while I was in the middle of setting a PGP hand, and I honest to god forgot to tip the lady. She got upset and said “CAN I GET YOU CHANGE OR SOMETHING?!” ..... it’s just rude on so many levels.
Nightclub personnel are the absolute worst with this though. First off, 99% of those bartenders are absolute a**holes. But that isn’t the worst of it. I don’t get bottle service often (I know it’s a ripoff), the few times I have, the servers/security have NOT been shy in outwardly asking for tips, despite the 18% automatic gratuity they’re getting on a f’ing $300 bottle of Patron. Even scummier is that on the final bill they do not itemize the 18% gratuity, but they add the line to add an extra tip.
I will say in every case I’ve gotten a VIP service like that we’ve been treated like royalty, but I think evening mentioning a tip should be a fireable offense in the service industry.
I hate nightclubs, and could write an entire thread about how the Nightclub industry is the MOST unethical industry in Vegas (which is saying a lot)....but I wont.
why tip for bad service? Not that I haven't. But do you see the problem here?Quote: NathanBad service give them a bad tip like 8 percent.
Quote: AxelWolfwhy tip for bad service? Not that I haven't. But do you see the problem here?
My point is, give them a crappy tip if they gave you bad service. You are supposed to tip something after you eat and drink. Standard service is a 15 percent tip. So bad service should be half of what the standard is.
Or they will just think you are normally a bad tipper and may think badly of you for it.Quote: NathanMy point is, give them a crappy tip if they gave you bad service. You are supposed to tip something after you eat and drink. Standard service is a 15 percent tip. So bad service should be half of what the standard is.
If someone builds you half a house when you were expecting a completed one would you pay them half?
Quote: AxelWolfOr they will just think you are normally a bad tipper and may think badly of you for it.
If someone builds you half a house when you were expecting a completed one would you pay them half?
It's still better than giving them nothing as a tip.
For who?Quote: NathanIt's still better than giving them nothing as a tip.
It doesn't sound like very good method too me. You just tipped for poor service and the person has no clue they gave bad service. Perhaps they did know they gave bad service and think... WOW! I can give bad service and I will still get tips regardless.
That's doing a disservice to yourself, them(because they won't learn therefore they will make less than their potential), the business and future customers.
This whole debate seems very odd to me. For an economically advanced nation like the US not to have sufficient minimum wage laws so that workers don't have to rely on tips to survive seems barbaric. Although the US is the only industrialised county which doesn't provide nationalised healthcare, and scores the furthest towards individualism on the individualism-collectivism scale out of every country on the planet, so I guess it's part of the culture rather than a deliberate act of cruelty on the part of employers.
I don't want to commit any major faux pas over there - am I right in thinking that I should pay 15% over the advertised cost in a restaurant/bar etc as a standard tip? And that in casinos tipping is optional, but they'll think I'm an arsehole if I choose not to?
Quote: AxelWolfFor who?
It doesn't sound like very good method too me. You just tipped for poor service and the person has no clue they gave bad service. Perhaps they did know they gave bad service and think... WOW! I can give bad service and I will still get tips regardless.
That's doing a disservice to yourself, them(because they won't learn therefore they will make less than their potential), the business and future customers.
Okay, I was under the assumption that you HAD to tip SOMETHING when you ate out at a restaurant. You do make valid points. :)
Quote: blackjackladThis whole debate seems very odd to me. For an economically advanced nation like the US not to have sufficient minimum wage laws so that workers don't have to rely on tips to survive seems barbaric. Although the US is the only industrialised county which doesn't provide nationalised healthcare, and scores the furthest towards individualism on the individualism-collectivism scale out of every country on the planet, so I guess it's part of the culture rather than a deliberate act of cruelty on the part of employers.
I don't want to commit any major faux pas over there - am I right in thinking that I should pay 15% over the advertised cost in a restaurant/bar etc as a standard tip?
I welcome you to share that opinion in the Trump Final 100 Days Thread 😀
Yes, 15%-20% on your final bill as a tip is standard. Tipping dealers is expected, but no one will look at you funny if you don’t. If you use the Valet however, they should be tipped $2-$5.
Quote: AxelWolfOr they will just think you are normally a bad tipper and may think badly of you for it.
If someone builds you half a house when you were expecting a completed one would you pay them half?
I had that problem. Contracted with a small company to build a cabin that was delivered on site unassembled. Manufacture said two people could assemble it in three days, and this guy said he'd wire it, do plumbing , roofing, everything in three weeks. That seemed optimistic so we contracted on 60 days. I lived 150 miles away so I don't know how much time the guy put in, or if he had a crew, but six weeks in, the job was a mess. I drove up for the day, got there at 3PM and no one was on site working. I stayed in a hotel and sat down with the guy the next morning.
He had a ton of excuses but in the end I told him I wanted to bring in someone else to finish it. I paid for all the materials he bought and we settled on less than half the labor the finished job would have cost. It worked out, because my friends son is a contractor and he took over the job, and subcontracted out some of it.
He took his pay in being able to use the cabin a couple times a year for hunting. I wanted it for Spring and Summer so it was perfect.
Depending on the place and the order, I will sometimes tip for takeout, but I'm always curious what the norm should be.Quote: gamerfreakI’ve never tipped for a carry out order. What service am I tipping for? Bagging my food? Do you tip the chef for plating your food?
Interestingly, this happened over the weekend. Basically, a church made a $735 take-out order from an Outback in south FL. The church evidently sent a n00b to pick it up who wasn't aware that he should tip. Waitress ranted about being stiffed on Facebook and was subsequently fired.
So, I ask again, what is the standard practice on tipping for take out? If it's a place I frequent, or if the server goes above & beyond (packaging up the order, supplying adequate condiments, etc.), I'll tip, usually around %10. I figure the servers put forth effort in putting my order together, but not as much as if I had sat down at a table and had been served. If I pick up a pizza from Domino's, where all the guy does is hand me a pizza, I won't typically tip.
Am I being overly generous, or a cheapskate?
Quote: JoemanDepending on the place and the order, I will sometimes tip for takeout, but I'm always curious what the norm should be.
Interestingly, this happened over the weekend. Basically, a church made a $735 take-out order from an Outback in south FL. The church evidently sent a n00b to pick it up who wasn't aware that he should tip. Waitress ranted about being stiffed on Facebook and was subsequently fired.
So, I ask again, what is the standard practice on tipping for take out? If it's a place I frequent, or if the server goes above & beyond (packaging up the order, supplying adequate condiments, etc.), I'll tip, usually around %10. I figure the servers put forth effort in putting my order together, but not as much as if I had sat down at a table and had been served. If I pick up a pizza from Domino's, where all the guy does is hand me a pizza, I won't typically tip.
Am I being overly generous, or a cheapskate?
Hahahahaha!!!! A n00b picking up the order, that's adorable! It's pretty well-known that church folk don't generally tip, Google it if you don't believe me. Church folk are the ones that will leave the (literal) change as well as a prayer pamphlet on the table. That devout church folk also happen to be Republicans in plurality is also hardly a surprise.
Good article, by the way, and that's exactly why take-out people are usually to get tipped. It's typically not the hostess that bags up the order, it's the waitress, and that takes her away from her tables of (better) tipping customers. The reason why the expected tips are lower has more to do with the fact that she's not filling drinks and such, but she's still using her time on the clock.
Anyway, I LOVE the notion that the church, "Didn't know," about the issue. Am I really to believe that they don't know how to read a receipt? Am I supposed to believe that they didn't call the restaurant, make the order, get the total and then hand the running boy either that amount or something in excess of that amount? Please. He probably went there with the exact amount, to the penny, in a tithing envelope. The church wouldn't have wanted to do anything had they not been called out.
I don't know if there is really a set expected percentage for takeout, I've heard anything from 5-10% to be reasonable. I've only ever done take out a few times, and my general rule is three bucks unless the change is more than that, (that would be more than 10% in each instance) if the change was $3-$5, then I'm pretty sure I just gave whatever the change was.
I would say that pizza places and many Chinese places are different. At those places, it's sometimes not expected that someone will eat in. In other words, they're going to have to put the pizza in the box no matter what, they're not doing anything extra to do that and it's not taking them away from anything else. It's literally something that they have to do for every single pizza, take-out or delivery. I've went and picked up a few $50+ pizza orders, so I usually go ahead and tip on something that big.
Not tipping on a $735 order, though. Come on. Nobody can be that dense. Then they throw the kid who picked it up under the church bus! Totally uncool. If they wanted to resolve it, they could have done it that day. How could they not know he didn't end up tipping?
Quote: GWAEI don't tip 1 penny for takeout.probably should but I am not giving someone $8 for putting something in the boxes. I tip well when sitting down but they are serving me directly and getting things for me when needed.
I would like to think you would on a $735 order. If it's $50-$100, or whatever, I think people should tip a few bucks, but I'm not going to take a hard stand on it at all.
Tipping in North America is completely out of hand. I always feel like I have to say this but most of my work history relied on tips and I am a very good tipper but this is the way I feel.
I generally don't tip takeout. In NY, when my local pizza place started charging for delivery, I started picking it up. $3 service fee and $5 tip adds up very quickly when you take out a couple times a week.
Quote: PokerGrinderTipping for take out is the equivalent of tipping at McDonald’s. That’s the problem with North America, nobody just does it cause it’s they're job, there always has to be a monetary thank you involved.
Yeah, because the person doing the work makes less than the standard minimum wage. Besides that, who the Hell just does something, "Because it's their job?" The pay is the monetary thank you. I don't think anybody is going to work any restaurant completely for free.
Quote:How about it’s your job so do your job or go find another one. The girl deserved to lose her job for putting it on facebook. I’ve been stiffed by customers where the order is $200-$300. Which meant I litterally paid $7-$10 to serve those people. I wasn’t happy about it but I just kept on dong my job because you know what? I was being paid an hourly wage to serve tables and tips were not guaranteed.
A $735 order? Also, I don't think she specifically mentioned the church on her Facebook page, at least, not according to the article. You don't think the church might have said, "Oh no, please don't fire her." I seriously doubt that she'd have been fired had the church implored the manager to forgive her. The church was just glad that everyone ended up getting to eat for free that day. Were that not the case, they'd have tipped in the first place.
On the other hand[pun] I make a point of tipping janitors when I happen to be in the lav when they are cleaning it. By them swabbing underneath the urinals, where apparently short peckered guys can't get their pee in the porcelain, the janitor provides me a much better service than a dealer does, who just takes my money, by fixing a place where I don't have to stand in piss to take a leak. An also the crazy way there is always water all over the basin and counter. By cleaning my hand wash station, it is much nicer and my shirt won't get wet when I wash my hands, and there are new towels and soap. Yay janitors.
The janitors have all seemed appreciative. If you take up this quest with me, you will see what I mean. The tip is usually just a buck and an acknowledgement as there is no percentage involved.
Quote: billryanI read that the Outback order was originally a delivery order, but Outback notified them there would be an extensive delay in getting it delivered. The church sent a volunteer to pick it up instead.
I generally don't tip takeout. In NY, when my local pizza place started charging for delivery, I started picking it up. $3 service fee and $5 tip adds up very quickly when you take out a couple times a week.
Difference does it make? Even if it had been delivered, the church wouldn't have tipped. Had the driver failed to bring change, the church might have been kind enough to give him directions to the nearest convenient store to go break whatever bill needed broken.
Pizza is totally different. I've yet to hear of a pizza place where the tips aren't over and above minimum wage because all of the employees make the standard minimum wage. Maybe there are some out there, but I've never heard of a non-predominantly dine-in pizza place not paying the non-tipped minimum wage.
That's like McDonald's. They all make the regular minimum wage, or more, so there is no expectation of tipping.
Quote: petroglyphI think the church was intentionally hoping the Outback would donate the food. Standing there like a Bell Hop who hasn't had his palm greased, saying ah hem, waiting for a tip.
Outback did end up effectively doing that. I'm sure the Church was more than pleased.
Quote:On the other hand[pun] I make a point of tipping janitors when I happen to be in the lav when they are cleaning it. By them swabbing underneath the urinals, where apparently short peckered guys can't get their pee in the porcelain, the janitor provides me a much better service than a dealer does, who just takes my money, by fixing a place where I don't have to stand in piss to take a leak. An also the crazy way there is always water all over the basin and counter. By cleaning my hand wash station, it is much nicer and my shirt won't get wet when I wash my hands, and there are new towels and soap. Yay janitors.
The janitors have all seemed appreciative. If you take up this quest with me, you will see what I mean. The tip is usually just a buck and an acknowledgement as there is no percentage involved.
I've done that if I happen to see them. Like you said, just usually if we happen to be in there at the same time. Certainly not expected as they make at least the standard minimum wage.
As it should be(unless she was hot). Ranting about tips is not usually part of your job description.Quote: JoemanWaitress ranted about being stiffed on Facebook and was subsequently fired.
Quote: AxelWolfAs it should be(unless she was hot). Ranting about tips is not usually part of your job description.
I'd probably agree had it not been one of those oh so giving and charitable Houses of the Lord.
Quote: PokerGrinderTipping for take out is the equivalent of tipping at McDonald’s. That’s the problem with North America, nobody just does it cause it’s they're job, there always has to be a monetary thank you involved. How about it’s your job so do your job or go find another one. The girl deserved to lose her job for putting it on facebook. I’ve been stiffed by customers where the order is $200-$300. Which meant I litterally paid $7-$10 to serve those people. I wasn’t happy about it but I just kept on dong my job because you know what? I was being paid an hourly wage to serve tables and tips were not guaranteed.
Tipping in North America is completely out of hand. I always feel like I have to say this but most of my work history relied on tips and I am a very good tipper but this is the way I feel.
I don't think that is the problem. People at say applebees get hired to do car side to go. They are hired at 2.35 an hour here in the US and are told they will make tips. Some people tip and some dont. Servers will complain with no tip but are never thankful for the 40% tip. Even though my mom has been a server for 40 years and I tip well when sitting in I think it is a horrible system. Prices should be raised 15% across the board, pay servers $16-20 am hour and be done with it. People will say then you will get crappy service because there is no incentive. Well why happened to be good at your job or get fired?
The church can afford catered food because tithing is tax free for the church and deductible for their parishioners. So those of that faith, get to go eat free catered food on the taxpayers dime.Quote: MaxPen.... As well the church should be thanked for placing such a large to go order. They could have had something catered for that amount. I'm about done with the whole tipping BS in general.
Those that don't "believe" get to buy dinner for those that do. It's time to remove tax exemptions for church's. People are free to believe what they want, but it shouldn't cost me.
Anybody working in food service being paid 2.35 per hour has my permission to sell "shrinkage" out the window and pocket the purchase cost. You pay people that poorly, you get what you pay for.
If someone who's income is mostly paid by tips, what happens when they have a workplace accident? Are they paid on a percentage of the 2.35 or the twenty or so they actually make because of the generosity of patrons?
Quote: MaxPenIf Outback can't figure out how to compensate their employees for a To Go order then they don't deserve to have employees. I am not tipping on an order that I am picking up. As well the church should be thanked for placing such a large to go order. They could have had something catered for that amount. I'm about done with the whole tipping BS in general.
The church probably made it to go because they'd feel guilty about not tipping had they actually been sitting there eating it. It's a lot easier for them to leave without tipping when it's just three or four people and they leave the nice little prayer book. Since the church feels so bad about her losing her job, and the restaurant reimbursed the church for the food, I wonder why they don't just give the waitress the amount of the entire order. Don't know where the forgiveness is in this world, I tell you. It'd be nice if there was a book detailing ways to forgive people and how to help out the poor, wouldn't it?
Also, the church probably could have had something catered for that...but then they'd have to stiff the caterers on a tip face-to-face, now wouldn't they?
Quote: petroglyphThe church can afford catered food because tithing is tax free for the church and deductible for their parishioners. So those of that faith, get to go eat free catered food on the taxpayers dime.
Those that don't "believe" get to buy dinner for those that do. It's time to remove tax exemptions for church's. People are free to believe what they want, but it shouldn't cost me.
I think church purchases and income should be tax exempt, I just don't think donations should be a deduction unless the church is also a bona fide charity, which unfortunately, is easy enough for them to do.
Quote:If someone who's income is mostly paid by tips, what happens when they have a workplace accident? Are they paid on a percentage of the 2.35 or the twenty or so they actually make because of the generosity of patrons?
It depends on what they file on. Usually they'll just say the tips brought them up to exactly minimum wage, which is technically fraudulent, so then they would just end up being paid based on regular minimum wage. Kind of like bartending. When I bartended, we had an hourly that was actually more than the regular minimum wage...and as far as I can recall and anyone ever needs to know...I never once received a tip of any kind.
Quote: Mission146Plus, according to the waitress, she took the order out to the car. So, no, that's not something they do at McDonald's or a pizza place. The former has a window, and I guess some Domino's locations do, but that's neither here nor there.
You can order on the McDonald’s app now, and they will bring it out to your car.
Quote: SteverinosIn regards to tipping for valet, do you all tip when dropping off AND receiving? Or just receive?
Usually both but definitely when receiving.
A person that tithes [gifts] money to a church gets to deduct that amount from their taxable income. The IRS is picking favorites IMO unconstitutionally [like that mattered lol] I believe in waiters and waitresses and cheeseburgers, and alcohol delivered to my barstool. Why is the religion of some tax deductible and the belief of others not deductible?Quote: Mission146I think church purchases and income should be tax exempt, I just don't think donations should be a deduction unless the church is also a bona fide charity, which unfortunately, is easy enough for them to do.
I could even send in a big donation to a political party, and that is deductible. Tips are actually deductible if done on a business feast and I were to file long form. The church claims nothing as income, the lowly waitress is ordered by law to claim what we gift to them in tips. Using that logic, kids should have to claim xmas presents as income.
And here's another thing, as long as I'm ranting. People on SS disability can earn up to 900 per month without affecting their SSD income, which is a touch bizarre to me. I hypothetically had a person like that repairing my roof. I think people collecting state aid or welfare should be allowed to make some money without disqualifying themselves from assistance. They will definitely spend it into the economy, which will go round and round. Give Jamie Dimon another million, it will probably just go into the generational bank account. So let poor folk on assistance earn some money. That way, is a more likely path to self sufficiency rather than beating them about the head for trying to be a wage earner. My .02, rant off.
Quote: SteverinosIn regards to tipping for valet, do you all tip when dropping off AND receiving? Or just receive?
All the benefit comes from tipping at drop off. Want the vehicle held up front? Want it readily available vs. jammed way back in the garage. The out depends on how well they delivered on the drop off promise.
Quote: SteverinosIn regards to tipping for valet, do you all tip when dropping off AND receiving? Or just receive?
Receiving...and now I feel kind of bad. I didn't realize it's supposed to be both.
Quote: Mission146Receiving...and now I feel kind of bad. I didn't realize it's supposed to be both.
I’m really not sure what it’s “supposed” to be, which is the whole problem with tipping...but I usually just split whatever I want to tip and give 1/2 when dropping off and 1/2 when picking up.
Most of my gambling is craps, and the hocking for tips done my the dealers is so off putting, I have almost quit going to casino's altogether. And I am a frequent tipper, often putting them in nearly every hand that I have the dice. But even before they know that, i can hear them asking players for tips. It's rather disgusting, especially when I find out that the yearly income of dealers is often higher than mine.Quote: RS.... Incredibly annoying when a worker complains about tips.
That would be like having to tip NFL players for throwing the ball.
Quote: RSMission, your dislike towards Christians and republicans is showing again. You can make all the assumptions you want, because clearly you are. The article said the church didn't call to have her fired but to (probably?) tip her. It later said they were trying to contact her. IMO, she should absolutely have been fired. Incredibly annoying when a worker complains about tips.
What dislike? The church didn't tip and any statistics you ever want to look up will tell you that devout Christians, in plurality, are Republican. I can't make the numbers up. As far as leaving prayer pamphlets in lieu of tips, Google it, ask literally any server anywhere and I've also personally seen it happen. I can't help what the facts are.
I'm not saying every Christian or every Republican fails to tip. I'm saying that Christians have been widely noted as often leaving prayer pamphlets, but no tip. I'm saying a plurality of devout Christians are Republicans, which statistical studies have borne out.
Maybe it's the Independent or Left-Leaning Christians not tipping and the Republicans do so unfailingly. Correlation isn't causation, I'm just saying what the correlation is.
The church wouldn't have called anyone had they not been called out. I refuse to believe that they didn't know that there was no tip because they would know how much the order is and how much they gave the guy. They'd want the receipt. Thus, they fully well knew there was no tip. If they wanted to rectify that, they could have easily done so that day.
I'm not saying that she shouldn't have been fired. Not posting that sort of thing on social media, understandably, is their policy. I have no problem with her being fired for violating a stated policy.
Anyway, I don't really have a categorical dislike of Christians or Republicans. I'd have to talk to an individual to have an opinion on an individual person. I'm just saying this behavior coming from a church doesn't surprise me...and there's someone there that knew she didn't get a tip and did nothing about it until being called out.
Quote: gamerfreakI’m really not sure what it’s “supposed” to be, which is the whole problem with tipping...but I usually just split whatever I want to tip and give 1/2 when dropping off and 1/2 when picking up.
I've only ever used valet at Trump Taj Mahal, anyway, twice. I used it at Golden Nugget AC once. I'd really prefer just to park my own car, so it's not a tipping thing. I just prefer other people not drive my car. In a limited sample size, I have found that they move your seat and rearview mirror (should they even need it?) without putting it back roughly 100% of the time.
Quote: petroglyphMost of my gambling is craps, and the hocking for tips done my the dealers is so off putting, I have almost quit going to casino's altogether. And I am a frequent tipper, often putting them in nearly every hand that I have the dice. But even before they know that, i can hear them asking players for tips. It's rather disgusting, especially when I find out that the yearly income of dealers is often higher than mine.
That would be like having to tip NFL players for throwing the ball.
Just to clarify my position, I really don't care whether or not people tip dealers of any kind. Whether or not the person in question is an AP. I just don't like hearing people complain in general terms (you're complaining in specific terms) about such dealers being tipped.
Quote: gamerfreakYou can order on the McDonald’s app now, and they will bring it out to your car.
I hate McDonald's. But, if I availed myself of that service, I would tip the person. Especially if it was raining or snowing. That's why I always like full service stations (what few there are around my area) and will tip a buck or two.
Quote: Mission146What dislike? The church didn't tip and any statistics you ever want to look up will tell you that devout Christians, in plurality, are Republican. I can't make the numbers up. As far as leaving prayer pamphlets in lieu of tips, Google it, ask literally any server anywhere and I've also personally seen it happen. I can't help what the facts are.
I'm not saying every Christian or every Republican fails to tip. I'm saying that Christians have been widely noted as often leaving prayer pamphlets, but no tip. I'm saying a plurality of devout Christians are Republicans, which statistical studies have borne out.
Maybe it's the Independent or Left-Leaning Christians not tipping and the Republicans do so unfailingly. Correlation isn't causation, I'm just saying what the correlation is.
The church wouldn't have called anyone had they not been called out. I refuse to believe that they didn't know that there was no tip because they would know how much the order is and how much they gave the guy. They'd want the receipt. Thus, they fully well knew there was no tip. If they wanted to rectify that, they could have easily done so that day.
I'm not saying that she shouldn't have been fired. Not posting that sort of thing on social media, understandably, is their policy. I have no problem with her being fired for violating a stated policy.
Anyway, I don't really have a categorical dislike of Christians or Republicans. I'd have to talk to an individual to have an opinion on an individual person. I'm just saying this behavior coming from a church doesn't surprise me...and there's someone there that knew she didn't get a tip and did nothing about it until being called out.
I call BS on the above post. Bunch of hogwash. I am friends with several people that wait tables. Not one has ever mentioned or complained about Christian tippers. They predominantly dread waiting on black people, Canadians, and other European tourists. Before you all start calling me a racist again, one of those friends that complains the most about blacks is a black female.
Quote: petroglyphA person that tithes [gifts] money to a church gets to deduct that amount from their taxable income. The IRS is picking favorites IMO unconstitutionally [like that mattered lol] I believe in waiters and waitresses and cheeseburgers, and alcohol delivered to my barstool. Why is the religion of some tax deductible and the belief of others not deductible?
Well, you have separation of church and state, or should. In retrospect, I have no problem whatsoever with the church taking in the money tax free because taxes have already been paid on that money, and it is not technically required and is being given of one's own volition...though no good/service is being sold.
I do think that it should not get to be claimed as a deduction, though, unless the church is also a bona fide charity...because that's not separation of church and state.
Quote:I could even send in a big donation to a political party, and that is deductible. Tips are actually deductible if done on a business feast and I were to file long form. The church claims nothing as income, the lowly waitress is ordered by law to claim what we gift to them in tips. Using that logic, kids should have to claim xmas presents as income.
That's pretty funny. I guess churches are theoretically non-profit. I have to believe income tax (and other associated payroll taxes) must be paid on any monies paid directly to clergy as a salary, or am I mistaken?
Quote:And here's another thing, as long as I'm ranting. People on SS disability can earn up to 900 per month without affecting their SSD income, which is a touch bizarre to me. I hypothetically had a person like that repairing my roof. I think people collecting state aid or welfare should be allowed to make some money without disqualifying themselves from assistance. They will definitely spend it into the economy, which will go round and round. Give Jamie Dimon another million, it will probably just go into the generational bank account. So let poor folk on assistance earn some money. That way, is a more likely path to self sufficiency rather than beating them about the head for trying to be a wage earner. My .02, rant off.
I'm not entirely sure that I agree with that because SSI/SSD reflects money that has been paid directly into that system for that reason. In contrast, welfare benefits, in any form, come from the general tax fund and are then allocated to that. Besides that, they can make some amount without being disqualified from assistance, it might just affect how much assistance they get. Does one really intend to give them assistance of x under the assumption they are making y when they are actually making z?
It just seems to me like two totally different things. SSI/SSD are theoretically supposed to be completely self-contained systems, whereas welfare isn't.
Quote: MaxPenI call BS on the above post. Bunch of hogwash. I am friends with several people that wait tables. Not one has ever mentioned or complained about Christian tippers. They predominantly dread waiting on black people, Canadians, and other European tourists. Before you all start calling me a racist again, one of those friends that complains the most about blacks is a black female.
Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but I thought, "Canadians," was the term that many servers use to describe the first category of people on your list on the sly.
I have heard that African-Americans are generally poorer tippers than Caucasians, but have zero by way of personal experience in that regard and haven't talked to many servers who routinely serve African-Americans. I've lived in predominantly white areas most of my life. I've seen that said online, though.
Many servers dread drawing mid-shift on a Sunday, though. Like I said, just Google it. I'm not asking you to believe me. I never served, I was a bartender, so the only Religious people I ever had come in were Catholics...and they seemed to be about average tippers.
I care. I want decent dealers tipped, and will say so at the table. What I don't like is dealers constantly asking for tips, it ruins the fun for me. Even if they aren't speaking to me they are often talking about the fleas. I'm often the only one "putting the dealers in", but I want it to be up to me, when, and not constantly reminded. It's ugly.Quote: Mission146Just to clarify my position, I really don't care whether or not people tip dealers of any kind. Whether or not the person in question is an AP. I just don't like hearing people complain in general terms (you're complaining in specific terms) about such dealers being tipped.
Returning to my bemoaning about pooling tips. More than half the dealers according to my experience deserve [and get] a tip. It is distasteful that the dealers who succeed in making my gambling a more pleasant experience, are carrying the weight for the dealers who suck. What I usually do, is either not go to casinos [which is what I'm doing now] or go to another. I've no bone to pick with those casino's, it's their business and they have the right to run shoddy help. I am boycotting a couple in Laughlin.
