RS
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July 5th, 2017 at 1:40:59 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Well, then, if I over tip someone they should speak up and say sir, you overpaid? Right. That's the honest thing to do.


If I'm not mistaken, this actually did happen to Rigondeaux when he tried tipping with a $100 bill.
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mamat
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July 5th, 2017 at 1:57:15 PM permalink
I tip $7K-8K/year (gambling, hotels, food). It's my largest regular annual expense (barring car accident, medical emergency, expensive vacation).
I don't try to maximize EV anymore. Enjoying my time (while making some profit) are more important.
Since I don't play full-time, the easiest way for me to make a larger profit is to play more hours (rather than penny-pinch to raise EV).

At BJ, it's fun to tip $1-5 on everyone's hand...
or just play with things. It's fun to play like a crazy tourist.

Sometimes you find cooperative dealers, where EV is positive on tipping.

Quote: Romes

I'm rather confident I've had dealers make the game on more than one occasion, but they didn't care and kept doing their sloppy procedure MORE than likely because of our tipping, and maybe a tiny bit because of my jokes =) (at least that's what I tell myself). How much value is there in tipping at that point?

Yup. ...hint ...hint
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ZenKinG
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July 5th, 2017 at 1:57:45 PM permalink
I NEVER tip. I can count the number of times i tipped on one of my hands and the only reason i tipped was cause i had won a huge shoe and pit boss was staring me down badly. Even with that being said i only gave them a 2.50 chip and it made me cringe to even toss them that. The thought of losing EV no matter the amount eats at me. The only time i would ever consider tipping would be if it caused me to get better penetration and the dealer was understanding what i want, but i never tried to do that as most dealers are clueless.

I dont feel bad at all at never tipping. Its not my job to tip them. If the dealers get mad, go get mad at your employer for treating you like shit while they make billions. I usually like to say something along the lines of this when a dealer shows disgust at me for not tipping after a big win, "Why should i tip you when i win, are you going to tip me back when i lose? Exactly, go complain to your cheap boss ripping you off, not me."
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billryan
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July 5th, 2017 at 2:06:28 PM permalink
No wonder you are being cheated so much. Forget the OSN, you've made the dealer shite list. Enjoy your seconds, you'll be seeing a lot of them.
rxwine
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July 5th, 2017 at 2:19:58 PM permalink
Quote: RS

If I'm not mistaken, this actually did happen to Rigondeaux when he tried tipping with a $100 bill.



No doubt. I've seen valets getting cars get all the way to the parking garage without hearing tires squealing and other odd things.
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Keyser
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July 5th, 2017 at 2:48:23 PM permalink
Quote: Axelwolf

I dislike when people never tip or leave really crappy tips. What I dislike even more is when people tell others how much and when they should tip.



You're referring to minimalists. It is completely impossible to relax around them! Their pinched uptight constipated looking facial expressions and smug self fart sniffing attitude makes them among the most annoying people there are to be around, and they're a "real catch" for women on the dating scene. You can spot them a mile away!
Ibeatyouraces
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July 5th, 2017 at 2:57:42 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

You're referring to minimalists. It is completely impossible to relax around them! Their pinched uptight constipated looking facial expressions and smug self fart sniffing attitude makes them among the most annoying people there are to be around, and they're a "real catch" for women on the dating scene. And you can spot them a mile away!


You're watching too much South Park.
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
Keyser
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July 5th, 2017 at 2:58:42 PM permalink
Haha! YES!
TigerWu
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July 5th, 2017 at 3:43:54 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

"Why should i tip you when i win, are you going to tip me back when i lose? Exactly, go complain to your cheap boss ripping you off, not me."



What service are you providing them where your actions would warrant a tip?
Rigondeaux
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July 5th, 2017 at 3:54:40 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

No, it's not sophistry to point out that people who take tips will often have no problem taking money for which even they know they did little to deserve in some cases. Do they sweat the ethics of that? Not so much.

You're actually operating with same ethics mentality as the casino, which is throw money at us if you want but don't think about undercutting us.

Except you have no case.

Because a casino expects a casino employee to work all week and do the job, tips or not. That's the job. Nothing in the job description says customers will pay their salary. If I'm wrong, show me.

Only through the great charity of your customers does one receive more.

Now until they put "tipping is mandatory" and enforce it no one should pretend otherwise.



See , if you know what mandatory means, it's virtually impossible that you genuinely think this makes sense.

certainly you understand there is nothing unethical about accepting generous payment as long as it is intentional. Or else you are sitting on some previously unknown ethical insight, in which case you should enlighten us.

You must know paying someone for their work is not charity. Ie i think you know the definition of "charity" and have distorted it on purpose.

Especially since it has already been pointed out, certainly you comprehend the fact that the money used to pay employees always comes from customers. Where else? But you are ignoring this fact intentionally.

If you want to take something without paying for it, just admit that this is what you are doing. Rather than engaging in zenking-esque mental gymnastics.

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