NJ to Vegas car route
What's the very best route time wise and avoiding snow wise? I want to avoid any bit of snow i can as my car is a RWD sports car lol. Yes im gonna get killed on gas but it's surprisingly decent at 25mpg highway. Taking a plane and getting my car shipped there would be a lot more so im just gonna bite the bullet and drive.
Please post the very best route to take from NJ to Las Vegas. Thanks in advance to all those who will help. And to all the people calling me out before saying i was a troll and was never going to move, well ill just hope you can post some good info regarding this and i will forget that ever happened.
Post up best routes!
It seems (using google) that you have two obvious routes. The southern route uses I76 then I70; the northern route uses I80; both meeting at Denver before heading towards Las Vegas. Personally I've only driven Denver to Las Vegas, but not in the winter.
I can see that both have had closures in the last week due to snow falls, so am guessing there's a bit of luck. It might be worth finding some useful websites along the route - here's a few.
http://www.nvroads.com/
http://www.wyoroad.info/pls/Browse/WRR.RoutesResults?SelectedRoute=I80
[edit] The third route via OK uses the I40 and is 38h - or using the I81 39h and goes up from I40 using Rte 93. ( https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/New+Jersey,+United+States/Las+Vegas,+NV,+USA/@38.0899986,-83.5012338,7z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m10!1m1!1s0x89c0fb959e00409f:0x2cd27b07f83f6d8d!2m2!1d-74.4056612!2d40.0583238!3m4!1m2!1d-81.4301473!2d36.8636192!3s0x8851d17e0c428b17:0x8d8ab1ed41b1e863!1m5!1m1!1s0x80beb782a4f57dd1:0x3accd5e6d5b379a3!2m2!1d-115.1398296!2d36.1699412!3e0 )
This may sound stupid but it might even be better to head way south (say down the I95 to Jacksonville) and across the I10 via Phoenix! Instead of 37h this is 47h, but possibly much easier; however it does have more Rte93 at the end.
Hope the trip goes well.
Quote: GWAECan't remember the highway but going through Oklahoma is probably best to avoid snow.
Just checked google maps on my phone and it gave me 3 routes and the furthest one south is obviously the one you're talking about. Looks like i-44 to i-40. Goes through Missouri, Oklahoma, New Mexico and Arizona. That seems to be about right to avoid the snow. Probably shouldve just checked google maps before posting this as its pretty obvious which way is best to avoid 'snow states'.
Thanks again GWAE
Quote: charliepatrickI'm based in the UK so don't have any first hand advice for driving across from one side to the other, also my driving in the US has tended to be in better weather.
It seems (using google) that you have two obvious routes. The southern route uses I76 then I70; the northern route uses I80; both meeting at Denver before heading towards Las Vegas. Personally I've only driven Denver to Las Vegas, but not in the winter.
I can see that both have had closures in the last week due to snow falls, so am guessing there's a bit of luck. It might be worth finding some useful websites along the route - here's a few.
http://www.nvroads.com/
http://www.wyoroad.info/pls/Browse/WRR.RoutesResults?SelectedRoute=I80
This may sound stupid but it might even be better to head south (say down the I95 to Jacksonville) and across the I10 via Phoenix! Instead of 37h this is 47h, but possibly much easier; however it does have Rte93 at the end.
Hope the trip goes well.
Thanks, i just posted same time as you and checked google maps as well. Looks like the south route is the way to go and its only 47 minutes slower and about 15-20 miles longer than the other 2 routes which both take you through colorado and utah and if im gonna get any snow, it will be in those 2 states.
Listen to weather reports as the stretch from Texas thru Flagstaff Arizona is prone to winter storms. The Texas panhandle is among the most unpredictable weather in the country. Hopefully, you don't need to shoot down to 10, but be prepared. I hit snow in Rosewell in May, and bad ice several times in Arizona.
One word of warning- you can be driving along with no snow and suddenly the road will rise in elevation and you'll be in a snow storm. It's not like the east. In the west it can be 55 degrees at 1,000 feet above sea level and 25 and snowing at 3,000 feet, five miles away.
Heck, the south just got hit.
Not a good time to travel cross country in a sports sedan.
I will say this only once, and still get called a spoilsport.
You are insane if you travel your bankroll through those states as a young guy with NJ plates in a sports car. Wire it and just carry a couple grand. You so fit the profile, and in the winter stand such a good chance of a problem, that the wire fee will be well worth it.
You should invest in tire chains. They're under $50, most western states allow them in mountainous areas (even have pullouts for chain attaching and removal ) and you can sell them on cl once you get there if you want. They're also great for getting yourself out of trouble if you get into snow and can't drive out. Easy to attach and remove.
I would suggest you consider 95 south to 10 (it runs west of South the whole way, so you're making progress), then all the way across 10 until you go north in AZ. In NJ, there's an enormous investment in snow removal equipment and personnel. It's not like that past about Minnesota on the northernmost route, Iowa does ok, Missouri is hopeless, southern states suck.
States west of the line I just drew are sparsely populated and slow to clear snow. They assume nobody really needs to be anywhere fast, and many don't use salt because it eats the roads, so bad driving remains for days, even weeks after a storm. They also drive trucks, jeeps, big suv's in the winter, so they manage better than you will.
If the immediate to 3 day forecast is good (and you start with clear roads) you can probably cut over around Atlanta - Birmingham, but you want to be on 10 by Louisiana at the latest, not in OK. I lived there for a winter, their storms come up fast and hard, and they don't deal.with it well.
Texas and New Mexico is a long, boring haul, but you should make good time on the route. One decent snowstorm can strand you for a couple of days west of.the mississippi; a blizzard can stop you for a week.
I'm just sayin, as someone who's lived all over the Midwest, South, and several points West, and driven about a half million miles...take the southern route. Relax. Enjoy. Your net progress will be faster and a lot less difficult.
Quote: billryanAs far as money goes, I opened a Wells Fargo account . They are scarce in NY but everywhere in Vegas. Deposited the money in NY, withdrew it in Vegas. No fees.
Good bank. Use them myself . His br is big enough I'm not sure they'll give it all back as a lump sum, as a.new customer, but he'd be smart to talk to them, see.what they can do.
After a very short time, he let me go with a written warning.
I've no idea why you people are afraid of banks. I deposited well over $100,000 in NY and another 400,000 when my house sold a few months later. No one asked where the money was coming from. Transferred half out, have the rest in WF investments. They treat me well.
Quote: billryanI got pulled over in Texas, just east of Oklahoma on my trip in May. I had about $3,000 on me and was fearing the worst. Officer couldn't have been nicer. My front seat was jammed with luggage and when he saw I'd have difficulty opening the glove box he let it slide, said he'd look for my registration online.
After a very short time, he let me go with a written warning.
I've no idea why you people are afraid of banks. I deposited well over $100,000 in NY and another 400,000 when my house sold a few months later. No one asked where the money was coming from. Transferred half out, have the rest in WF investments. They treat me well.
So were these deposits in cash?
I have had my account closed at one bank .They wouldn't tell me why but I was depositing and withdrawing large amounts of cash .
Quote: billryan
I've no idea why you people are afraid of banks. I deposited well over $100,000 in NY and another 400,000 when my house sold a few months later. No one asked where the money was coming from. Transferred half out, have the rest in WF investments. They treat me well.
You may have had no issue with the banks, but rest assured cash transaction forms were completed and filed and could bite you in the future. Obviously if have documentation on all the cash, you have nothing to worry about.
Personally I'm intrigued in the best route to Las Vegas having driven some of routes mentioned in the West.
Quote: charliepatrick
Personally I'm intrigued in the best route to Las Vegas having driven some of routes mentioned in the West.
Depends on the weather... or whether or not you want to take the scenic route. During the summer, from the east coast, I-70/I-15 would be the most reasonable route, but you have to deal with a few metro areas (Columbus, Indy, St Louis, Denver) with a backup plan of I-80/I-76/I-70/I-15... although I think I-80 is about as boring as they get.
Wintertime I would drop down I-81 to I-40. I-40 is no guarantee, either, but it gives you the option to drop down to I-30/I-20/I-10 to Phoenix, and then up US93 to LV if I-40 is bad (they close I-40 often because of bad roads.)
I travel about 4 times a year between Dallas and Nevada, I-40 runs well when it's running, but I will take the long route through Phoenix/El Paso if I think weather will be a factor.
Quote: HunterhillSo were these deposits in cash?
I have had my account closed at one bank .They wouldn't tell me why but I was depositing and withdrawing large amounts of cash .
If you routinely handle large amounts of cash, I'd get advice from a CPA, not from me.
Generating a CTR is not a big deal. I'd imagine tens of millions are generated on a daily basis.
Much better to generate routine CTRs than to get caught trying to avoid them by structuring and or engaging in activities that will result in Suspicious Activity Reports.
IIRC, you're starting from Jersey. Wells Fargo, formerly Fidelity and First Fidelity, and Bank of America defeated HSBC in the Jersey consumer market. And at least with Wells Fargo, an account opened in Jersey keeps the same number in Nevada. And you don't even have to change the address on the checks for a while.Quote: billryanAs far as money goes, I opened a Wells Fargo account . They are scarce in NY but everywhere in Vegas. Deposited the money in NY, withdrew it in Vegas. No fees.
Quote: billryanIf you routinely handle large amounts of cash, I'd get advice from a CPA, not from me.
Generating a CTR is not a big deal. I'd imagine tens of millions are generated on a daily basis.
Much better to generate routine CTRs than to get caught trying to avoid them by structuring and or engaging in activities that will result in Suspicious Activity Reports.
I'm not seeking advice, you were saying that you had no problems depositing large amounts of money.
It makes a difference if it is cash or not.
I generate Ctrs frequently it's not a problem.
As Mc said earlier many banks don't like customers that deal in cash.
That being said, definitely do not take full bankroll with you. I have two friends, young female college students who got pulled over in West Texas driving to AZ for Spring training vacation because they had California plates, the trooper searched their car for 30 minutes looking for drugs, cash etc. All he found was clothes and an ice chest with food and beverages.
Today you get the weather outlook for a week in advance ... you can go which ever way you want and re-route on the go if something changes . So many places to head south along the way if weather goes bad.
76-70-40 ..... would a one day delay from a snowfall really set you back too much?
TIRE CHAINS are amazing things... but if you can't drive in the first place they will get you into trouble ...its like people in 4X4 trucks suvs in the snow they seem to end up in the ditches a lot more
but think I would stop for a day instead of putting them on a sports car...having seen what damage they do when they fail and hit body panels
here is the stuff I used to drive in a bit WITH TIRE CHAINS on...note how many of those upside down trucks have chains on
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/millsy/Oilpatch/Superstars.html
PS I would be a lot more worried about getting stopped by the road bandits looking for cash than a chance of snow
But yea even if they did stop me for something else, or just to stop me because im an out of state driver, which is probably the likely case for why ill be potentially pulled over, they cannot legally search my car without a warrant unless i give them the freedom to do so out of fear. Im pretty well rounded in law, at least in terms of dealing with cops and i know my rights pretty well. Of course the police is corrupt and can try and get some dogs to purposefully jump on my window and claim it is 'probable cause' and that they have a right to search my car for potential 'drugs'. But I believe if im just cooperative with the cop and nicely say he does not have a warrant to search my car, and if i didnt do anything wrong, id like to be on my way to my destination, i should be fine.
Quote: billryanIt's not the State Troopers you have to worry about. It's the corrupt podunkville pd that gets a good deal of its funding from asset forfeiture. Have fun explaining your civil rights to them, and then their cousin the judge, who is married to the sheriffs sister.
Doesnt matter. First off I know how corrupt not just the PD is in this country, but all of government. Secondly, it doesnt matter how corrupt they are, they wont be able to search my car without a warrant. Most of the people who get their cash seized on the road is because they gave into fear or got tricked into letting the cops search their car or maybe they were intoxicated and cops took advantage of the situation to get into his car somehow once again either by tricking the guy or just using illegal actions.
Your car is like your house, no search warrant, no entry, simple. And if a cop never searches your car, he will never know you had money to begin with. End of story. It seems to be Oklahoma is my biggest threat for civil asset forfeiture? Maybe ill just avoid that state. I also wont be answering any questions that can lead the cop to believe i have any money on me such as where i am traveling. If I say las vegas, then the suspicion will begin.
Quote: ZenKinGDoesnt matter. First off I know how corrupt not just the PD is in this country, but all of government. Secondly, it doesnt matter how corrupt they are, they wont be able to search my car without a warrant. Most of the people who get their cash seized on the road is because they gave into fear or got tricked into letting the cops search their car or maybe they were intoxicated and cops took advantage of the situation to get into his car somehow once again either by tricking the guy or just using illegal actions.
Your car is like your house, no search warrant, no entry, simple. And if a cop never searches your car, he will never know you had money to begin with. End of story. It seems to be Oklahoma is my biggest threat for civil asset forfeiture? Maybe ill just avoid that state. I also wont be answering any questions that can lead the cop to believe i have any money on me such as where i am traveling. If I say las vegas, then the suspicion will begin.
Here's what really happens when they want to steal your money:
1) pull you over and ask to search
2) you deny them
3) they hold you there until a second unit arrives which WILL BE A K-9 unit
4) the dog makes a "false hit"
5) cop now has a reason to make a search without a warrant
Don't be so naive.
Quote: IbeatyouracesHere's what really happens when they want to steal your money:
1) pull you over and ask to search
2) you deny them
3) they hold you there until a second unit arrives which WILL BE A K-9 unit
4) the dog makes a "false hit"
5) cop now has a reason to make a search without a warrant
Don't be so naive.
Im aware of the dog trick they use. That's what i exactly stated before though and i mentioned if i just act politely with the cop that im just traveling and they have no right to search my car without a warrant and didnt do anything wrong, am i free to go? Maybe even scratch the warrant part as i might come off as a dickhead to the cops.
So much for America the Free? Still laugh at all the idiots celebrating every July 4th. Well I guess it's time to get my camera out and my mount and set it up in my car. Wont do much anyway in the short term as all the cash will be seized, but better than nothing.
Quote: ZenKinGIm aware of the dog trick they use. That's what i exactly stated before though and i mentioned if i just act politely with the cop that im just traveling and they have no right to search my car without a warrant and didnt do anything wrong, am i free to go? Maybe even scratch the warrant part as i might come off as a dickhead to the cops.
So much for America the Free? Still laugh at all the idiots celebrating every July 4th. Well I guess it's time to get my camera out and my mount and set it up in my car. Wont do much anyway in the short term as all the cash will be seized, but better than nothing.
I can't recall an instance where someone said no to a search and the cops obliged. Not saying it hasn't happened, but I've never heard of seen of it.
It's just best to stay out of those particular areas.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI can't recall an instance where someone said no to a search and the cops obliged. Not saying it hasn't happened, but I've never heard of seen of it.
It's just best to stay out of those particular areas.
I guess ill be stuffing my bankroll in my shoes. Cops never ask you to take your shoes off and they only pat you down to the bottom of your pants. There's also no law that can make you take your shoes off. All they can do is what they call a 'frisk'. They can then search my car all they want, the bankroll wont be in there. LOL. I love beating the rigged system, it's what i do.
Quote: billryanThese threads just give so much.
Maybe ill stick my bankroll in the engine bay. LOL. Oh the possibilities. All I got to do now is watch loads of youtube videos of where the K-9 dogs go and do the opposite.
Hit the road!
Quote: CalderDon't listen to them, looks like you've got it all figured out.
Hit the road!
Shoes are the key. First they need reasonable suspicion/probable cause to make me take off my shoes. After finding no drugs in the car and performing a 'frisk' pat down on me, they got no suspicion. Also they would have to take me to the police station to perform a 'strip search' and get me to take off my shoes. From the looks of it, 99% of the time cash this whole scenario wont ever happen and is probably the best way to not have your cash illegally seized from you by a corrupt cop on the road. What can they possibly say to take you to the police station after finding no drugs in the car and on your clothes?
Just too many things would have to happen for you to lose money from your shoes lol. Cop asks to search car, you say no, cop then potentially gets the K-9 dogs, cop then has to trick the dog for a false hit and claim reasonable suspicion to search your car, cop and dog then find nothing, cop performs a 'frisk' pat down on you and finds nothing. There is now no other reasonable suspicion to even ask you to take you to the police station to take off your shoes, so i dont see how you can lose the cash in your shoe after all of this happens? Someone correct me if im wrong, but i think this is the best way to carry large amounts of cash when traveling out of state.
Quote: ZenKinGShoes are the key. First they need reasonable suspicion/probable cause to make me take off my shoes. After finding no drugs in the car and performing a 'frisk' pat down on me, they got no suspicion. Also they would have to take me to the police station to perform a 'strip search' and get me to take off my shoes. From the looks of it, 99% of the time cash this whole scenario wont ever happen and is probably the best way to not have your cash illegally seized from you by a corrupt cop on the road. What can they possibly say to take you to the police station after finding no drugs in the car and on your clothes?
Just too many things would have to happen for you to lose money from your shoes lol. Cop asks to search car, you say no, cop then potentially gets the K-9 dogs, cop then has to trick the dog for a false hit and claim reasonable suspicion to search your car, cop and dog then find nothing, cop performs a 'frisk' pat down on you and finds nothing. There is now no other reasonable suspicion to even ask you to take you to the police station to take off your shoes, so i dont see how you can lose the cash in your shoe after all of this happens? Someone correct me if im wrong, but i think this is the best way to carry large amounts of cash when traveling out of state.
Well I can think of one other place that you could stick your cash,not sure if it would fit though.
If you get pulled over and asked about it, just drool, act crazy and say "that's my money bin, I'm Uncle Scrooge."
You'll be fine.
Quote: beachbumbabs
You are insane if you travel your bankroll through those states as a young guy with NJ plates in a sports car. Wire it and just carry a couple grand. You so fit the profile, and in the winter stand such a good chance of a problem, that the wire fee will be well worth it.
I'm just curious beach guy (I love the beach too.) Are you saying that the police are likely to stop him and seize his bankroll because of suspicions? Is that what you are saying? If that is true that would mean that we almost live in a Police State. I know it sometimes happen but I would have thought very rarely. And if a guy is law abiding then this being even a little bit probable is very sad. A "good chance" is downright depressing.
If you can fit your bankroll into your shoes, you aren't ready for Vegas anyways.
That would seem to satisfy them and you would be completely cooperating.
Again, going down that path... why not let them F your wife if it gets you out of a search?? I mean, it would satisfy them, right?
1. You don't have all the answers. No one does.
2. You aren't as smart as you think you are (based on your posts). No one is.
3. Your knowledge of the legal system may work in the end, should something happen, but it won't be as easy or quick as you think. It never is.
4. People are giving you very good advice. Use it.
Whatever you decide to do, good luck!!!
Age 13: Thinks you know it all and parents are dumb
Age 18: Wow, couldn't believe they LET me drive at 16... I was so young and stupid.
Age 21: Oh wow lol I was stupid at 18 and just a kid. Now I'm a full adult!
Age 25: Um, yeah, they should raise the drinking age to 25 because I was such an idiot and didn't know anything at 21.
Age 30: Hmmm, let's see... I thought I knew a lot at 13, 18, 21, and 25 and I was wrong each step of the way... So maybe, just maybe, I don't know crap right now. I guess I don't know what I don't know and I shouldn't think I know everything.
This is why people shouldn't be allowed to do just about anything in life until their 30. Like I said, some realize this sooner and some later, but on average from what I've seen 30 year olds seem to at least "get it" as far as the whole "I don't know everything and I'm okay with that" concept goes.
Quote: lilredroosterI'm just curious beach guy (I love the beach too.) Are you saying that the police are likely to stop him and seize his bankroll because of suspicions? Is that what you are saying? If that is true that would mean that we almost live in a Police State. I know it sometimes happen but I would have thought very rarely. And if a guy is law abiding then this being even a little bit probable is very sad. A "good chance" is downright depressing.
Well, here's today's story from Arizona:
AZ Seizes $200M in Last 5 Years
Quote:The report said these seizures typically start at traffic stops, when police officers seize cash or drugs from suspects. The report said “anything suspected of being used as part of the crime, including cash, is then fair game for seizure.” Once the cash is seized, state law makes it an uphill fight, the report said. Prosecutors are only required to prove the cash or drugs were “more likely than not” related to a crime.
Because law enforcement has been so parsimonious in reporting detailed seizure data, it has gotten bad enough that the state legislature is now considering whether to require law enforcement report data on individual seizures. Oh, yeah. About 90% of the total seizures were cash, not drugs.
Ah, but OP wasn't gonna go into AZ, right? And, even if law enforcement stopped him, they wouldn't suspect anyone from crime-free New Jersey might be involved in anything related to a crime, right?
Quote: lilredroosterI'm just curious beach guy (I love the beach too.) Are you saying that the police are likely to stop him and seize his bankroll because of suspicions? Is that what you are saying? If that is true that would mean that we almost live in a Police State. I know it sometimes happen but I would have thought very rarely. And if a guy is law abiding then this being even a little bit probable is very sad. A "good chance" is downright depressing.
I lived in Volusia County, FL for 10 yrs. Google the Volusia County Sheriff and profiling for details, as they went through a nationally reported overreach for years, confiscating assets on I-95 stops. This stuff still goes on, especially in the South and West.
As for you, ZenKing, good luck with your trip. A lot of experienced people weighed in, you'd rather argue than listen, so luck is what you'll need.
1. They don't need a reason to pull you over, though I'm guessing you've given them one or two or you wouldn't have invested in such a fancy radar. They look at you in your sports car, Jersey plates, tinted windows (especially if the front side windows are so dark they can't see you), and they're going to FIND a reason.
2. Radar detection systems are illegal in several states you're passing thru. So are windows tinted as above. Those will give them reason to search once they've stopped you.
3. The problem with seizure is the cash is immediately gone. Getting it back is expensive and takes months if not years. If you get it back at all.
4. This is falling on deaf ears. That will be a problem for you, and not just in this matter. So I'll stop there and discontinue offering advice you requested. Again, good luck to you.
My 2c is sell the sports car, deposit the money in the bank, fly to Vegas, withdraw some of the money, buy a cheaper car, get to work counting cards. Flying will save both money and time. Second choice would be ship the car, deposit the money, fly, withdraw, get the car, get to work. But why waste the time driving across the country, and the hundreds of dollars on fillups, when there are so many blackjack games that need playing?
You'd spend at least $250 on gas, but flights from AC to LV are as low as $99 with enough advanced planning...
Quote: MathExtremistHe wants to drive across the country in a RWD sports car in the middle of winter with a bunch of cash. Of all the ways to get to Vegas with a bunch of money, this sounds like one of the worst. Maybe riding a bicycle with a wicker basket full of $100 bills would be worse...
My 2c is sell the sports car, deposit the money in the bank, fly to Vegas, withdraw some of the money, buy a cheaper car, get to work counting cards. Flying will save both money and time. Second choice would be ship the car, deposit the money, fly, withdraw, get the car, get to work. But why waste the time driving across the country, and the hundreds of dollars on fillups, when there are so many blackjack games that need playing?
You'd spend at least $250 on gas, but flights from AC to LV are as low as $99 with enough advanced planning...
That's a solution for him but it doesn't address the outrageousness of the Government doing this no matter what words they can provide for justification. I guess the vast majority of people nowadays pretty much accept the fact that the Government can beat them down anytime they want to and there's not much they can do about it other than accept it in a submissive manner.
