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January 18th, 2017 at 6:21:18 PM permalink
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Car manufacturers default window tint is at least 70%. The lower the number, the darker it is. If I'm not mistaken, for the most part:

Regular (default) windows -- 70% -- very easy to see through, no tint
Lightly tinted (my rear windows in my car) -- 35% -- appear tinted but can still see through
Dark tint -- 20% -- obviously tinted, can't see through at night, might be able to see through during day (barely)
Very dark tint -- 5% -- limo tint....can't see through it whatsoever, unless you put your face right up to it



I'd probably wait till summer time to tint your windows. The heat and sunlight help set it the right way. I got mine done in the winter (northern MW area) and it got f***ed up, although hard to tell. I might re-do my windows, probably 20% in the back and 35% in the front.



Mine are 15% all around including the rear windshield. It being a 2 door sports car, it's really only 2 windows and the little small glass behind it, which is not a window and then the rear windshield. The car being all black should help disguise it a bit. At least I hope, but who cares, WINDOWS DOWN ALL TRIP!
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January 18th, 2017 at 6:25:45 PM permalink
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thoughts?



Here's a few from Chris Rock.

Warning: NSFW

thoughts
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January 18th, 2017 at 6:26:41 PM permalink
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Mine are 15% all around including the rear windshield. It being a 2 door sports car, it's really only 2 windows and the little small glass behind it, which is not a window and then the rear windshield.



In LV, I'd imagine you'll be fine. When I got my card registered here (please don't go off on a fascism tirade or something about registering a car), I asked the DMV dude about legal tint in NV -- he said front 3 windows are technically supposed to be 70%+, the ones in the back can be whatever, but since it's so damn hot and sunny in LV a cop isn't going to write you up for tinted windows unless you give him a reason to (or your front windshield is tinted).
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January 18th, 2017 at 7:04:29 PM permalink
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In LV, I'd imagine you'll be fine. When I got my card registered here (please don't go off on a fascism tirade or something about registering a car), I asked the DMV dude about legal tint in NV -- he said front 3 windows are technically supposed to be 70%+, the ones in the back can be whatever, but since it's so damn hot and sunny in LV a cop isn't going to write you up for tinted windows unless you give him a reason to (or your front windshield is tinted).



It is about time. I wasn't going to chime in because I was amazed nobody knew or explained this. It has always been this way in Las Vegas. No copper will bother you about window tint unless you did something to send them off the deep end. All my windows are vey dark but I have cars that blend in and look just like any other schmucks car. I never understood people driving expensive cars that draw attention. You want to hustle, con, AP or whatever you want to call it, your first order of business is to blend in and look like everyone else. Expensive cars or toys have unreasonable costs and maintenance... I don't get it but I understand greed and people want things like that.

I've seen people with tinted windshields out here many times so take that information for what it is worth. I still don't believe the story and how on Earth are you gonna make it in Vegas counting cards when you ran into problems in Pennsylvania? Vegas has to be smarter than those hicks. I can say hicks cause I grew up in Pennsylvania. Kinda like that guy who was chocolate and vanilla so he said he was allowed to say naggers. I hate people who nag!
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January 18th, 2017 at 7:08:18 PM permalink
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...At least I hope, but who cares...


You're stalling. Turn off the computer and start driving.


Your next post should be from Las Vega$.
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January 18th, 2017 at 7:18:02 PM permalink
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Looks like Google Maps doesnt have the 'southern route' up anymore. I hope this is not because there have been some major closures due to winter storms coming?

My final plan is to take 78 which turns into 81 down to 40 in Tennessee, then ALL THE WAY ACROSS to Kingman, Arizona and finally taking 93 up to vegas. Yes, I will have to face my demons with Oklahoma cops. But to me this is the best route, because 40 if it's bad i could always go down all the way to 10 which should give me a good chance of avoiding snow. All in all, if i dont have to drop down to 10, it looks like it's going to be about a 39 hour trip.

The states I will be driving through with this route will initially be Pennsylvania, then taking 81 down through Maryland, Virginia, into Tennessee then taking 40 through Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and then finally Arizona where I pick up 93 in Kingman and take it up to 515 and finally get to Vegas.

Thoughts?

I think you're making a big deal about nothing. Have you never traveled before?
You're just driving across the country, it's not like you're
Driving across China.You come across like someone that still lives with their parents and it's your first time leaving home.
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January 18th, 2017 at 8:11:49 PM permalink
If you end up taking 40, try to time it so you hit Amarillo Texas at mealtime. Stop by The Big Cowboy for the steak of your life.
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January 18th, 2017 at 8:15:12 PM permalink
When you go to register your out of state car in Nevada for the first time, before you can go to DMV itself, you have to stop by a shack in the parking lot where they physically inspect your car. I believe they check the tint, but am not positive.
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January 18th, 2017 at 9:04:14 PM permalink
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If you end up taking 40, try to time it so you hit Amarillo Texas at mealtime. Stop by The Big Cowboy for the steak of your life.



I believe you mean The Big Texan.

http://bigtexan.com/
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January 18th, 2017 at 11:58:52 PM permalink
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I believe you mean The Big Texan.

http://bigtexan.com/




The Big Cowboy( I think he's bigger than Vegas Vic) lets you know when you are at The Big Texan.
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January 19th, 2017 at 6:22:10 AM permalink
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Looks like Google Maps doesnt have the 'southern route' up anymore. I hope this is not because there have been some major closures due to winter storms coming?



Flagstaff is under a winter storm warning, and snow is forecast through Monday. Going to get cold too, so if you're still planning on driving with the windows down you better bring a good jacket as by Tuesday the high is going to be 27 with a low of 8.

And remember that everything moves from west to east, so the storms that start today in Flagstaff, (it's snowing there now), will be in NM later today or tomorrow, and into the TX panhandle and OK in a couple of days.

Have a a great trip!
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January 19th, 2017 at 7:09:06 AM permalink
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WINDOWS DOWN ALL TRIP!

I can't imagine there is a cop in this country that wouldn't pull you over for this alone. Driving with windows down in inclement weather is a dead giveaway that something is up. Typically, it's because it is a stolen car, and the window was busted out by the thief to gain access.

That said, I wish you the best of luck. Let us know when you get to Vegas!
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January 19th, 2017 at 7:20:03 AM permalink
Like someone else suggested, you should open a bank account in a bank that has branches across the country, including NJ and Las Vegas.

Deposit the money in the account now: do it at the NJ branch; leave the money in the bank til you get to Sin City, then withdraw it as needed once you get there.

Heck, you'll need an account anyway, so why not?

Unless the money is "dirty" and cannot be put in a bank due to fear of discovery, but that is a whole different story.
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January 19th, 2017 at 9:19:36 AM permalink
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Like someone else suggested, you should open a bank account in a bank that has branches across the country, including NJ and Las Vegas.

Deposit the money in the account now: do it at the NJ branch; leave the money in the bank til you get to Sin City, then withdraw it as needed once you get there.

Heck, you'll need an account anyway, so why not?

Unless the money is "dirty" and cannot be put in a bank due to fear of discovery, but that is a whole different story.



Bank are a tool of the MAN it seems in his mind. Shoes are much safer places for money. I still have to believe this guy is pushing some of this stuff just to get a reaction. Things died down and now he is back. We know the type real well V.
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January 19th, 2017 at 9:42:39 AM permalink
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Bank are a tool of the MAN it seems in his mind. Shoes are much safer places for money. I still have to believe this guy is pushing some of this stuff just to get a reaction. Things died down and now he is back. We know the type real well V.



Gee is it that obvious that he is just fishing? I was thinking that if your scared to carry cash you could just send it to yourself by courier. So many ways to hide it in your car or use some luggage with false bottoms or secret panels. You could sew hundreds into your jackets and pants. You could make part of your car solid gold and paint it like in that Ben Stiller movie. If your gonna hide it in your shoes, sew it under your liners and hide some inside your heels. How about inside your spare tire? You have to take the tire off and back on the rim. Sew it into your interior roof lining. Hide it in the door panels like the French Connection. Buy one of those Russian Dolls, they always fool cops.

Now that I think about it. I figure ZenKing works for a Vegas Casino, probably Stations and this is how he gets APs to take time away from APing! Very clever you sum***ch! Yes... I just watched smokey and the bandit again.
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January 19th, 2017 at 6:03:00 PM permalink
When , exactly, will the op start his journey??
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January 19th, 2017 at 6:22:08 PM permalink
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When , exactly, will the op start his journey??



Can I take action on the over (after)?
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January 19th, 2017 at 6:26:34 PM permalink
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When , exactly, will the op start his journey??



D-Day is January 23rd, per the OP.
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January 23rd, 2017 at 5:51:39 PM permalink
ZenKing, how is the journey going? How far did you make it on your first day driving?
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January 23rd, 2017 at 6:46:14 PM permalink
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ZenKing, how is the journey going? How far did you make it on your first day driving?



https://www.google.com/search?q=huge+shoes&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjInOnH4dnRAhWKSyYKHSDwCKkQ_AUICCgC&biw=768&bih=928&dpr=2#imgrc=bNRfAcmK7xcUSM%3A

He is kind of busy dealing with the girl while hiding 25k in his shoes.
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January 23rd, 2017 at 7:08:12 PM permalink
Be patient, wait 1 or 2 days. Answer/truth is coming soonnnnnnnnnnnnn
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January 23rd, 2017 at 8:01:52 PM permalink
Loose lips sink ships. Every cop east of the Rockies is on alert for a sports car with tinted windows and Jersey plates.
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January 23rd, 2017 at 9:49:31 PM permalink
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Looks like Google Maps doesnt have the 'southern route' up anymore. I hope this is not because there have been some major closures due to winter storms coming?

My final plan is to take 78 which turns into 81 down to 40 in Tennessee, then ALL THE WAY ACROSS to Kingman, Arizona and finally taking 93 up to vegas. Yes, I will have to face my demons with Oklahoma cops. But to me this is the best route, because 40 if it's bad i could always go down all the way to 10 which should give me a good chance of avoiding snow. All in all, if i dont have to drop down to 10, it looks like it's going to be about a 39 hour trip.

The states I will be driving through with this route will initially be Pennsylvania, then taking 81 down through Maryland, Virginia, into Tennessee then taking 40 through Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and then finally Arizona where I pick up 93 in Kingman and take it up to 515 and finally get to Vegas.

Thoughts?



I hope the drive is an easy one. I put your route into Google Maps and it showed a ton of road construction in Tennessee.
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January 23rd, 2017 at 9:59:48 PM permalink
Lord, I hope Andy doesn't give Barney his bullet: if so, the OP is toast.
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January 25th, 2017 at 7:41:54 AM permalink
Did you decide to delay the trip?
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January 28th, 2017 at 3:35:23 PM permalink
Yah, where is that guy. DISAPPEAR along the way???? Should we contact the highway patrol?
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January 28th, 2017 at 5:45:40 PM permalink
Best to stay in stealth mode during the mission. Between crooked cops and highway pirates, why give your twenty to those not in the need to know.
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January 28th, 2017 at 10:30:59 PM permalink
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Did you decide to delay the trip?



Yea my plan is 2nd week of February or by end of February. Just trying to build up my bankroll a bit more before i head out there. Also there was a storm watch i believe and just in general, traveling in January isnt the best idea in a RWD car. My plan is February now, hopefully gives me a little more room to grind up a bit more in my bankroll before i make the move as well as hopefully give the weather another month to potentially dry up in case i run into something.

I know the doubters will now use this as "I told you guys he was a troll and never going out there", but i dont care. I know what i plan on doing whether anyone believes it or not.

Also ive had time to re-think my playing strategy a bit more as well. I think Im going to just purely backcount in vegas for max 1 hour sessions. As crazy as that sounds, it looks much less suspicious and brings much less attention to yourself than constantly wonging out of -1 counts. You might get 1-2 shoes max in that one hour, so instead of wonging out of -1 counts many times, just standing around watching looks a lot less alarming i think. What do you guys think? Is it realistic to last in vegas just backcounting without spotters for max 1 hour sessions and then moving on to a different casino? Will i be flagged all over town within 3 months? If so, can someone please give me a much better strategy for longevity, instead of either going off topic about why i shouldnt count, or why this is a bad idea, or what im doing wrong.

I originally had the play off the top idea and wonging out at -1 and only showing my spread once and then moving on to a different store, but then the question of getting any worthwhile long term EV came to question so i changed to the backcounting approach. I have Vinny DeCarlo's book about casino surveillance and the insider's secrets of many vegas casinos that i use as a guideline as well. Maybe i might just pure wong the casinos that dont worry about surveillance or that have weak surveillances and save the off the top strategy for top notch surveillance stores like Aria. I guess it's not gonna be so cut and dry and will have to adapt to each casino as previous posters have said.
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January 28th, 2017 at 10:38:18 PM permalink
You aren't shacking up with Aimee, are you?


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January 29th, 2017 at 12:13:32 AM permalink
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Also ive had time to re-think my playing strategy a bit more as well. I think Im going to just purely backcount in vegas for max 1 hour sessions. As crazy as that sounds, it looks much less suspicious and brings much less attention to yourself than constantly wonging out of -1 counts. You might get 1-2 shoes max in that one hour, so instead of wonging out of -1 counts many times, just standing around watching looks a lot less alarming i think. What do you guys think? Is it realistic to last in vegas just backcounting without spotters for max 1 hour sessions and then moving on to a different casino? Will i be flagged all over town within 3 months? If so, can someone please give me a much better strategy for longevity, instead of either going off topic about why i shouldnt count, or why this is a bad idea, or what im doing wrong.



The first thing that you could do is go back and read everything that KewlJ had ever written here about the subject of longevity if that is something that you are concerned about. It is a subject that he has always emphasized and continues to emphasize, even though he is not a Member (Nuked) here anymore. No, we are not getting into why he was or was not nuked in this thread, so don't ask, all public information available on that can also be researched here and elsewhere.

With back counting or with wonging-out, I think that either of those things look suspicious, but I imagine wonging might get you into some trouble that you don't expect. When you are counting, (and I am nowhere near an expert at this) it seems that you can determine a casino's comfort level, and perhaps even gauge how the pit feels about your presence at the table. While they are getting information on you, you are simultaneously getting information on them.

I think back counting exclusively might prove to be a little different. Even for those casinos that allow mid-shoe entry, as soon as you are even suspected of back counting, surveillance can look at the tape (even if you have left) and BOOM, bye-bye next time you are seen in there. I cannot imagine you would even know that the boot is coming before it happened. Surveillance (or someone in the pit) might see you watching the Blackjack tables again, you sit down, they rewind the tape and figure out the count really quick...see ya. I don't think they'll be inclined to view twice as a coincidence, twice should be enough to satisfy them that it is a pattern.

Hopefully you'll get an answer from someone with a ton of experience on this matter rather than someone going off of what other parties have told him, (and very little personal experience on this specific subject) but until then, that is my opinion. I simply do not believe that back counting exclusively goes hand in hand with longevity. Also, it may be more likely to get you on a flier than mere counting.
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January 29th, 2017 at 1:08:26 AM permalink
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The first thing that you could do is go back and read everything that KewlJ had ever written here about the subject of longevity if that is something that you are concerned about. It is a subject that he has always emphasized and continues to emphasize, even though he is not a Member (Nuked) here anymore. No, we are not getting into why he was or was not nuked in this thread, so don't ask, all public information available on that can also be researched here and elsewhere.

With back counting or with wonging-out, I think that either of those things look suspicious, but I imagine wonging might get you into some trouble that you don't expect. When you are counting, (and I am nowhere near an expert at this) it seems that you can determine a casino's comfort level, and perhaps even gauge how the pit feels about your presence at the table. While they are getting information on you, you are simultaneously getting information on them.

I think back counting exclusively might prove to be a little different. Even for those casinos that allow mid-shoe entry, as soon as you are even suspected of back counting, surveillance can look at the tape (even if you have left) and BOOM, bye-bye next time you are seen in there. I cannot imagine you would even know that the boot is coming before it happened. Surveillance (or someone in the pit) might see you watching the Blackjack tables again, you sit down, they rewind the tape and figure out the count really quick...see ya. I don't think they'll be inclined to view twice as a coincidence, twice should be enough to satisfy them that it is a pattern.

Hopefully you'll get an answer from someone with a ton of experience on this matter rather than someone going off of what other parties have told him, (and very little personal experience on this specific subject) but until then, that is my opinion. I simply do not believe that back counting exclusively goes hand in hand with longevity. Also, it may be more likely to get you on a flier than mere counting.



Yes i have read a lot about KJ's strategy and that's where I originally got my ideas from about keeping sessions to no more than 1 hour and then leaving and hopping around. He also seems to go by the 'show the spread once and leave' approach as well. I was going to do all of that and adopt his full approach, but i just feel there would be too many shoes i would be wonging out of in the hour and you can only take so many bathroom breaks(suspicious). I also don't see how you can log any significant amount of hours/rounds for the year to get a good amount of EV, at least for what im aiming for. Regarding the off the top wong outs at -1, i guess i could take a bathroom break for the first wong out, then the other ones I could just formulate an act and get mad at the cards and change table to get a 'winning streak' going and to 'change up the cards'.

Regarding back-counting, the problem with them doing a tape review is that they would first have to suspect of me and that's why i would be keeping sessions short and constantly switching up shifts. Besides I wont be betting more than 2x200 or 2x250, which is around most casinos comfort level on the strip. Also many stores dont utilize their surveillance department at all and all of the heat originates from the floor at least according to Vinny DeCarlo's book. For example he says Bellagio has something called the 'BloodHound' for tracking counters, but they never use it and surveillance never initiates action on a counter until the floor calls them up, so all the heat that you have to worry about would be at the floor. I guess what I could do is just backcount those types of stores and the ones with active surveillance i could just play off the top.

Thanks for taking the time to respond though, i appreciate it.
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January 29th, 2017 at 2:45:17 AM permalink
Much of what you're asking, I wrote about (see link). You had a very narrow response.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/28098-vegas-session-length/2/#post574196

Just wrote several paragraphs then decided to delete it, since you never really responded to what I had written before.
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January 29th, 2017 at 3:16:48 AM permalink
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I could just formulate an act and get mad at the cards and change table to get a 'winning streak' going and to 'change up the cards'.

Rule one: Do not draw attention to yourself.
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They would first have to suspect of me and that's why i would be keeping sessions short and constantly switching up shifts. Besides I wont be betting more than 2x200 or 2x250, which is around most casinos comfort level on the strip.

Have you given any thought to how conspicuous you would look, just standing over and observing a game for just 5 minutes, let alone the length of time needed to encounter a half decent count?


Sorry ZK, I'm not hopeful for your prospects.

Oh, and in an earlier post you said you are going to build your bankroll up by grinding away for a few weeks. Do you have a plan for beating the variance over that TINY amount of game time?
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January 29th, 2017 at 4:01:32 AM permalink
I told you guys he was a troll and never going out there!
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January 29th, 2017 at 6:19:19 AM permalink
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I told you guys he was a troll and never going out there!



I'm going to toss out an open, 'Soft Warning,' for Personal Insult with no ban on this occasion. While it is certainly fair to say he has not gone out there yet, I don't believe that he has given sufficient cause to be referred to as a, 'Troll,' especially since Trolling is against the Rules of the Forum.
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January 29th, 2017 at 6:27:22 AM permalink
First of all, you're welcome, no need to thank me for responding. I enjoy the conversation and the thread.

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Yes i have read a lot about KJ's strategy and that's where I originally got my ideas from about keeping sessions to no more than 1 hour and then leaving and hopping around. He also seems to go by the 'show the spread once and leave' approach as well. I was going to do all of that and adopt his full approach, but i just feel there would be too many shoes i would be wonging out of in the hour and you can only take so many bathroom breaks(suspicious). I also don't see how you can log any significant amount of hours/rounds for the year to get a good amount of EV, at least for what im aiming for. Regarding the off the top wong outs at -1, i guess i could take a bathroom break for the first wong out, then the other ones I could just formulate an act and get mad at the cards and change table to get a 'winning streak' going and to 'change up the cards'.



Please excuse me if I don't recall what your anticipated spread is in actual dollar values, because I don't. I understand that KewlJ often spreads Green to mid-black, and (as well as many other card counters) suggests that you don't want to spread across two colors. (such as red to black) If your anticipated stakes are not as high as his, then I could understand where it might be difficult to hit enough places on a daily basis, playing only an hour at a time and/or showing your spread only once, to make whatever amount in EV your goal is.

As you may know, while KewlJ still makes most of his money card counting BJ, he and several other AP's have diversified into other tactics such as machine play, playing the mail, hole carding and things like that. Might I suggest it would behoove you to engage in other plays besides card counting.

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Regarding back-counting, the problem with them doing a tape review is that they would first have to suspect of me and that's why i would be keeping sessions short and constantly switching up shifts. Besides I wont be betting more than 2x200 or 2x250, which is around most casinos comfort level on the strip. Also many stores dont utilize their surveillance department at all and all of the heat originates from the floor at least according to Vinny DeCarlo's book. For example he says Bellagio has something called the 'BloodHound' for tracking counters, but they never use it and surveillance never initiates action on a counter until the floor calls them up, so all the heat that you have to worry about would be at the floor. I guess what I could do is just backcount those types of stores and the ones with active surveillance i could just play off the top.



You would definitely want to keep your sessions short and you otherwise make some pretty good counterarguments in favor of back counting. I suppose, if most of your heat starts at the floor, then your degree of success is going to be largely predicated upon how well you can back count without making it apparent that is what you are doing. How you would do that is a question better left for someone other than me.
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January 29th, 2017 at 12:03:05 PM permalink
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I'm going to toss out an open, 'Soft Warning,' for Personal Insult with no ban on this occasion. While it is certainly fair to say he has not gone out there yet, I don't believe that he has given sufficient cause to be referred to as a, 'Troll,' especially since Trolling is against the Rules of the Forum.



Seems a bit unfair since I was only directly quoting what he said someone like me would say if you read his next to last post before I posted. It was more of a joke, using his own quote against him, rather than an insult. I know he is not a real troll. He is a very serious player who is going to be in town with the rest of us soon enough.

This was his direct quote:

Quote: ZenKinG

I know the doubters will now use this as "I told you guys he was a troll and never going out there"

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January 29th, 2017 at 12:11:29 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

Seems a bit unfair since I was only directly quoting what he said someone like me would say if you read his next to last post before I posted. It was more of a joke than an insult. I know he is not a real troll. He is a very serious player who is going to be in town with the rest of us soon enough.

This was his direct quote:

Quote: ZenKinG

I know the doubters will now use this as "I told you guys he was a troll and never going out there"



You're absolutely right, I misunderstood the intent behind your post, revoke my soft warning, and apologize. Good joke, even though I missed it, by the way.
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January 29th, 2017 at 12:28:21 PM permalink
The thing that made me question his legitimacy was his strategy to drive with his car windows down for hundreds of miles in the dead of winter.

That made, and still makes, absolutely no sense whatsoever, and raised the proverbial "red flag."
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January 29th, 2017 at 12:36:26 PM permalink
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Rule one: Do not draw attention to yourself.Have you given any thought to how conspicuous you would look, just standing over and observing a game for just 5 minutes, let alone the length of time needed to encounter a half decent count?


Sorry ZK, I'm not hopeful for your prospects.

Oh, and in an earlier post you said you are going to build your bankroll up by grinding away for a few weeks. Do you have a plan for beating the variance over that TINY amount of game time?



Funny how you misquote me and say that "I will" grind up a bankroll making it seem that I won't possibly hit variance and end up losing instead. If you go back and read, I said "I hopefully" can grind up a little more before I head out there. In case I don't I will likely still end up going there and just getting a taxi job for 2-3 months and then start hitting the tables.
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January 29th, 2017 at 12:41:47 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Funny how you misquote me and say that "I will" grind up a bankroll making it seem that I won't possibly hit variance and end up losing instead. If you go back and read, I said "I hopefully" can grind up a little more before I head out there. In case I don't I will likely still end up going there and just getting a taxi job for 2-3 months and then start hitting the tables.

I stand corrected: You hope to grind up a little more bankroll. Looking forward to reading about your adventure, once it starts. Maybe you'll blog it.

Good luck.
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January 29th, 2017 at 1:02:07 PM permalink
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Quote: OnceDear

Rule one: Do not draw attention to yourself.Have you given any thought to how conspicuous you would look, just standing over and observing a game for just 5 minutes, let alone the length of time needed to encounter a half decent count?


Sorry ZK, I'm not hopeful for your prospects.

Oh, and in an earlier post you said you are going to build your bankroll up by grinding away for a few weeks. Do you have a plan for beating the variance over that TINY amount of game time?



Funny how you misquote me and say that "I will" grind up a bankroll making it seem that I won't possibly hit variance and end up losing instead. If you go back and read, I said "I hopefully" can grind up a little more before I head out there. In case I don't I will likely still end up going there and just getting a taxi job for 2-3 months and then start hitting the tables.

I would assume you are under 25? I dont know what age they require to be a taxi driver, but I never heard or seen one that looked under 25. You might want to check on that first. I would assume 21, but who knows?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 29th, 2017 at 1:21:49 PM permalink
Taxi driver??? In Vegas?? Oh man I've had that job 3 times. I lasted about 6 weeks total. First off it will take you about 2 weeks to get processed. You have to take a class at the TA and other things.

Once you get an extra board shift... which will be the worst hours and 12 hours for sure 6 days a week. Now you better get ready to long haul or cheat in some way so you can make average book. I had no problem making book with minimum long hauling but I never stopped and I know every inch of this city. All the back ways in, out and around. Enjoy paying for your gas or paying for your gas with trip fees.

Learn how to deal or run room service or wait tables. Work in a casino. Taxi driver??? Your out of your mind if you think it's gonna be a weekend gig or work when you want. You'll have no time to count cards drving taxi. You could work 6 hours driving and 4 hours playing and run the meter awhile to make your 275 to 350 average out of your pocket to pay the cartels.

I didn't join the union but they will push for it and I'd say 95% join up. Card counting taxi driver in Vegas... you are new aren't you? I thought you had a college degree?

I guess you could do uber or lift but that's insanity as well.

Your better off learning video poker and you'll make better hourly compared to driving taxi. Wait till you see the health insurance they force you to buy driving taxi!
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January 29th, 2017 at 1:55:04 PM permalink
This guy can't figure out how to drive across the country to Vegas but he is gonna drive Taxi in this city with no knowledge or experience? Perhaps they sell a book about how to get the best EV driving taxi and how to avoid all the taxi authority traps. Hopefully it explains the best time to go to the pit in the airport and how to take advantage of, the foreigners, driving them around Green Valley Ranch to Sam's Town past the Spaghetti Bowl to get to their destination which is always Circus Circus. 60 dollars taking that indirect route.
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January 30th, 2017 at 12:21:44 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

Taxi driver??? In Vegas?? Oh man I've had that job 3 times. I lasted about 6 weeks total. First off it will take you about 2 weeks to get processed. You have to take a class at the TA and other things.

Once you get an extra board shift... which will be the worst hours and 12 hours for sure 6 days a week. Now you better get ready to long haul or cheat in some way so you can make average book. I had no problem making book with minimum long hauling but I never stopped and I know every inch of this city. All the back ways in, out and around. Enjoy paying for your gas or paying for your gas with trip fees.

Learn how to deal or run room service or wait tables. Work in a casino. Taxi driver??? Your out of your mind if you think it's gonna be a weekend gig or work when you want. You'll have no time to count cards drving taxi. You could work 6 hours driving and 4 hours playing and run the meter awhile to make your 275 to 350 average out of your pocket to pay the cartels.

I didn't join the union but they will push for it and I'd say 95% join up. Card counting taxi driver in Vegas... you are new aren't you? I thought you had a college degree?

I guess you could do uber or lift but that's insanity as well.

Your better off learning video poker and you'll make better hourly compared to driving taxi. Wait till you see the health insurance they force you to buy driving taxi!



Well when I said I would taxi I didn't mean I'd still be racking up hours in counting simultaneously. My idea was to work taxi full time for 3 months or so to get a bit of an extra bankroll boost if I need to. By the wwy I have driven limo before here in NJ for a year so I do have experience. Sure I don't know the routes in vegas, but I would quickly figure it out. Besides, I would obviously have a GPS at the start, even my phone GPS would do.
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January 30th, 2017 at 12:36:58 PM permalink
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January 30th, 2017 at 1:44:17 PM permalink
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In Vegas, as in life, the shortest route is rarely the best.



I think i know all about that. I countless hours in New York City while being a limo driver. If you can drive there, you can drive anywhere, especially midtown Manhattan.
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January 30th, 2017 at 5:12:01 PM permalink
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Well when I said I would taxi I didn't mean I'd still be racking up hours in counting simultaneously. My idea was to work taxi full time for 3 months or so to get a bit of an extra bankroll boost if I need to. By the wwy I have driven limo before here in NJ for a year so I do have experience. Sure I don't know the routes in vegas, but I would quickly figure it out. Besides, I would obviously have a GPS at the start, even my phone GPS would do.



I thought you said you didn't want a job when you first moved to LV? Several people told you to get one here....
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January 30th, 2017 at 6:10:50 PM permalink
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I thought you said you didn't want a job when you first moved to LV? Several people told you to get one here....



That's if worst came to worst i would get a job to grow my bankroll a bit more. By the way my bad if i gave a narrow response to your advice in the other thread. I did take information out of it, but then just decided to give my take on it as well. Your response was appreciated. Thanks RS
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January 31st, 2017 at 6:19:40 AM permalink
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[M]y bad if i gave a narrow response ...



Poor Zen. Man, I feel your pain! Here you are, about to embark on the adventure of a lifetime to the gambling capital of the country. How really great if we could all (metaphorically) plop down in the second seat beside you as you travel West.

Instead, I see so many comments that almost make the Spanish Inquisition pale by comparison. (Well, perhaps I exaggerate a little. But, only a little!)

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ATTORNEY: Now did you or did you not say you were leaving on that date?

DEFENDANT: Well, I may have said that at an earlier time, but things changed.

ATTORNEY: Ah, HAH! Hostile witness, Your Honor. The witness consistently waffles about the facts. Now, sir, let me remind you, you are under oath. Did you or did you not say you would seek employment upon your arrival?

DEFENDANT: Well, my intention is not to seek formal employment when I arrive. But, I have considered it as a fall-back plan.

ATTORNEY: Ah, HAH! Regarding your bankroll...

JUDGE LUCKY: Mr. Attorney, please focus your interrogation on the broader, life-changing aspects of this matter.

ATTORNEY: But, Your Honor! I haven't yet had asked about travel routes and car windows...

JUDGE LUCKY: Sheesh... Proceed, if you must.


Just like everyone else, I have greatly enjoyed PokerGrinder's Asian adventure. And, I know Tennessee ain't no Singapore. But, Zen, I wish you the best on your trip, and I look forward to you sharing (from afar) whatever part of your journey you post on this forum. Petal to the metal, Buddy!

Now, just how does one unfasten this judicial robe?
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