Vegas Vacation with AOS
Quote: aceofspadesPlayed at The Cromwell and already got a host
Made back 2100 so far
Amazingly friendly staff at the Cromwell and sensually decorated
Might become my new place to stay
Seems like a honeymoon phase with Cromwell. I went there on soft opening and found the staff to be extremely friendly but every new place is like that. I'd definitely go back in a few months to see if quality control is still maintained on customer service.
Quote: tringlomaneDid the rumors hold true about the place? 3:2 S17? What's the minimum?
In high limit it was 3:2 S17 (it was H17 on the 2D game dealt face down to players)
Quote: djatcSeems like a honeymoon phase with Cromwell. I went there on soft opening and found the staff to be extremely friendly but every new place is like that. I'd definitely go back in a few months to see if quality control is still maintained on customer service.
I actually mentioned that to them and the staff all came back with a resounding - "we were all screened for friendliness"
Quote: aceofspadesand the staff all came back with a resounding - "we were all screened for friendliness"
LOL They probably will need it when the CET bean counters start tightening the screws. Keep the run up!
Quote: tringlomaneLOL They probably will need it when the CET bean counters start tightening the screws. Keep the run up!
They seemed genuinely happy to have me there - as well as other players.
They were all conversational and friendly - I look forward to a stay there
But for now, I bid you all sweet dreams until the dawn.
Quote: aceofspadesIn high limit it was 3:2 S17 (it was H17 on the 2D game dealt face down to players)
What are the rest of the high limit rules? DOA? DAS? RSA? Surrender? Penetration?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhat are the rest of the high limit rules? DOA? DAS? RSA? Surrender? Penetration?
Surrender
Doa
Das
I believe it was rsa but will check
Quote: aceofspadesSurrender
Doa
Das
I believe it was rsa but will check
Sounds good. Too bad the DD game is not S17.
Quote: sodawaterAre you sharing your creative writing homework with us?
Soda, I was not put in this world to tear people down. I was put in this world to lift people up. Perhaps you might try to do the same thing in your own creative writing.
Quote: mickeycrimmAfter further research, at the hands of a Black Velvet bottle, I've decided that AOS is just a rookie, novice, not worth the effort, type of gambler that is not worth responding too. But herein lies the problem. How can I, a died in the wool gambling winner, respond to such weakness from a professed loser? I think the situation is awkward. I'm trying to express sympathy while at the same time having total contempt for the whining, non professional, loser that goes in over his head and gets his ass kicked.
WOW thanks for the putdowns
Hi-Lo is my hands down choice when working with budding counters because it gets the money. It is then up to them if they want to advance to a stronger count. Some do but most don't. With today's poor games there are other things to consider that could trump the count used.
I have no doubt that ace is quite capable of learning Hi-Lo with indices if he desires and I recommend it for the Atlantic City game that he plays. If the double deck Las Vegas game is going to become a regular thing then I cannot, in good conscience, recommend Hi-Lo. It just doesn't have the playing efficiency. I would not use anything weaker than Zen for that game. Yes, it's a level 2 count but I'm confident that ace could learn it easily, especially since he'll be starting from scratch. It would serve him well at all blackjack games, a one size fits all.
A few words about ace's bad cards. This happens to every single one of us. This was a very small sample size that is not at all uncommon. I agree with others who have suggested selective memory. Who keeps track of their losses let alone the dealer's cards hand after hand? Not me or anyone I know. I will say that if the cards were that bad there is probably no count that could have salvaged a disaster of that magnitude. It happens to new players rather quickly and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Ace dodged the bullet longer than most making this trip all the more devastating.
I wont swear by it, but I can honestly say I don't think I have lost 15 anything in a row playing any live game where I had close to 50/50 proposition including Video BJ.Quote: 1BBI have followed ace since he joined this forum. I believe he knows exactly what he wants out of the casino experience and I believe he gets it. He doesn't ask for advice so I try not to offer any while remaining available should he ask.
Hi-Lo is my hands down choice when working with budding counters because it gets the money. It is then up to them if they want to advance to a stronger count. Some do but most don't. With today's poor games there are other things to consider that could trump the count used.
I have no doubt that ace is quite capable of learning Hi-Lo with indices if he desires and I recommend it for the Atlantic City game that he plays. If the double deck Las Vegas game is going to become a regular thing then I cannot, in good conscience, recommend Hi-Lo. It just doesn't have the playing efficiency. I would not use anything weaker than Zen for that game. Yes, it's a level 2 count but I'm confident that ace could learn it easily, especially since he'll be starting from scratch. It would serve him well at all blackjack games, a one size fits all.
A few words about ace's bad cards. This happens to every single one of us. This was a very small sample size that is not at all uncommon. I agree with others who have suggested selective memory. Who keeps track of their losses let alone the dealer's cards hand after hand? Not me or anyone I know. I will say that if the cards were that bad there is probably no count that could have salvaged a disaster of that magnitude. It happens to new players rather quickly and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Ace dodged the bullet longer than most making this trip all the more devastating.
Quote: GWAEI see some suspensions in the future.
Agreed. I've followed this thread from the beginning, and the level of trolling here by some members amazes me.
I'm glad to see AOS had a good session at The Cromwell.
I'll be in Vegas in two days and hopefully the bad blackjack mojo will be gone by then.
Let me ask you this... Same bad beats, same losing 15 in a row or whatever it was, same 20s and 21s pulled on you and overall same all around bad run. However, You lost 1500 not 15k at the time, would you still be as upset as you were? Isn't it about beating the game? Or is it about making substantial income-money? Also, isn't it about "THE BIG PICTURE"? Yes, you lost 15k but we still have 7 months to go until the end of this year? And lastly, how many more trips to Vegas or AC will there be?
You sound better today but remember, no emotion. Glad you made a little back. KEEP IT!
That was rude for sure.Quote: Dicenor33Counting this, counting that, it's inability to quit, which is a cornerstone of gambling. Ace, you are still a little baby, you are not ready yet.
Quote: AxelWolfI wont swear by it, but I can honestly say I don't think I have lost 15 anything in a row playing any live game where I had close to 50/50 proposition including Video BJ.
I lost fourteen hands in a row on 9/5 Jacks just a few weeks ago, TeddyS is a partial witness to an anti Babe Ruth, "Called shot."
At the time he came up to me, I had lost four hands in a row and was running like absolute garbage all day long. I saw that I had $12.50 left on the machine, turned to TeddyS, and said, "I will now lose ten hands in a row," and then did it for fourteen total!
(0.544964)^14 = 0.00020377429 = 1/0.00020377429 = 1 in 4,907.39
In terms of the, "Called shot":
(.544964)^10 = 0.00231035192 = 1/0.00231035192 = 1 in 432.83
I was joking when I called it, of course, but what a hilarious thing to have happen!
I even offered to show him a much better opportunity where he could use his same system but have a nice advantage. Its not often I would share this play with someone.
If he did get stuck in a situation where his bank would not allow him to get some funds I probably would have worked something out.
Unlike some (Sally)I'm not rooting for him to fail, nor do I want to be on the... we told you so team.
Do I want to pull my hair out thinking he could be playing with a better system? Hell yes! He seems like a nice likable guy with a head on his shoulders. Its only natural I want to see him spank the casinos.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI've gone over 20 in a row a few times on the 9/6 jacks here.
As for blackjack, that's 17 in a row with a couple of doubles scattered in.
I think my Blackjack consecutive loss record is thirteen, except that also included one Surrender and there was one Push somewhere in there. That was actually my most recent proper Blackjack session, as opposed to just using Match Plays.
I don't know my record for consecutive hands lost on Video Poker, so it could well be that fourteen. In terms of hands where there was money lost, (but a winning hand) I know I lost eighteen in a row on Super Times Pay once playing one-handed. I got two or three multipliers that completely missed, and then my best hand was JoB (admittedly, a few of them) causing a one unit loss on each of those.
Quote: Dicenor33Ace, you are still a little baby,
Personal insult. Three-day suspension.
You get laid last night, had a good nights sleep or your second cup of coffee or something? Come on, no red for calling him a little boy? I would think that was a personal insult if I ever seen one. I would rather be call a Fkn A-hole then that.Quote: Mission146
edit: While typing this I see someone was on top of things or had non of the above mentioned.
Quote: AxelWolfYou get laid last night, had a good nights sleep or your second cup of coffee or something? Come on, no red for calling him a little boy? I would think that was a personal insult if I ever seen one. I would rather be call a Fkn A-hole then that.
edit: While typing this I see someone was on top of things or had non of the above mentioned.
Maybe that's it, I am four cups of coffee in this morning and I slept GREAT last night. I didn't do the first thing you suggested, though.
I usually read threads like this twice, especially when I think I may respond to something, so I think I missed it the first time through. I also had to delete a couple of Mickey's posts for profanity.
That said, I feel the need to publicly Warn Mickey for profanity, I can't keep deleting these! Although, I'd share a bottle of Black Velvet with you anytime, and you can use all the profanity you want!
Anyway, I missed Dicenor's post first time through.
Send me your password and log in, I will be sure to rack you up some Suspension points. We cant have you missing your quota.Quote: Mission146Maybe that's it, I am four cups of coffee in this morning and I slept GREAT last night. I didn't do the first thing you suggested, though.
I usually read threads like this twice, especially when I think I may respond to something, so I think I missed it the first time through. I also had to delete a couple of Mickey's posts for profanity.
That said, I feel the need to publicly Warn Mickey for profanity, I can't keep deleting these! Although, I'd share a bottle of Black Velvet with you anytime, and you can use all the profanity you want!
Anyway, I missed Dicenor's post first time through.
I realize that this trip report has become a hotbed for a speed count versus hi/Lo and I know it is all (well, most) of you wanting me to better myself through a better count. it is quite a possibility that I will take te and learn the count, but, if I do not, I would hope that does not cause any own to cease reading or wntimg on my trip reports. I am happy to have found this for and feel like I have you all along with me on the trips.
I'm fairly certain a speed count intervention is in the works.Quote: aceofspadesGood morning all
I realize that this trip report has become a hotbed for a speed count versus hi/Lo and I know it is all (well, most) of you wanting me to better myself through a better count. it is quite a possibility that I will take te and learn the count, but, if I do not, I would hope that does not cause any own to cease reading or wntimg on my trip reports. I am happy to have found this for and feel like I have you all along with me on the trips.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm fairly certain a speed count intervention is in the works.
I was with a friend in Bishop, CA over Memorial Day weekend. He has no interest in gambling. But after we awoke to start a new day, he asks me, "How's Ace doing?" I was sharing your saga with him.
Quote: GreasyjohnI was with a friend in Bishop, CA over Memorial Day weekend. He has no interest in gambling. But after we awoke to start a new day, he asks me, "How's Ace doing?" I was sharing your saga with him.
Wow word gets around!
:-)
But the truth is that in a short period, whether session or trip, or just any measure of short-term results, what count you play probably wouldn't have changed the results all that much, by itself. I mean, when examining a small segment of results like this is, if you hit one of those patches where the dealer is making every hand and you the player are drawing aces and 2's to your double down 11's, you are going to experience a losing session or trip....period.
A significant losing session or even trip, like Ace is describing, where the dealers just seem to make everything and we the players can't draw diddly squat is going to be a significant loss whether you are playing hi-lo, Zen, hi-opt2 or speed count. It's the longer term results that employing a better option count can make a difference and that is what we would all like to see Ace consider.
But again, we have done our part. You can lead a horse to water......
Have to wonder though: if AoS had won over 15K instead of losing that amount, would all the Helpful Harry's still have chimed in as they did about the perceived inadequacies of using Speed Count?
Quote: IbeatyouracesYep. He talked a bit about it and has posted gambling info on the "non" gambling site.
About my trip? Link?
Quote: MrV
Have to wonder though: if AoS had won over 15K instead of losing that amount, would all the Helpful Harry's still have chimed in as they did about the perceived inadequacies of using Speed Count?
Yes, I think we would. The fact are the facts, regardless of short term (insignificant as far as drawing any conclusion) results. And to put it in lawyer-ese terms that Ace is familiar with, The facts of this case are that speed count is a subpar (weak) count, and a very poor choice for battling todays blackjack games. Even the somewhat better games of high limit rooms.
A weak count, coupled with a small (1-5) spread, just isn't going to do all that much against the house edge of these games. Maybe you cut into the house edge. Maybe you get close to an even game. I don't honestly know, I haven't done the research. But that is about the best you can hope for. Any results, whether winning 10 or 15 grand or losing 10-15 grand is just going to be normal variance. As teliot pointed out, @ $500 top wagers, 15 grand is only 30 top wagers. It's JUST normal variance....in EITHER direction.
I know some of you guys follow AOS reports with great anticipation. I guess because he plays at levels that many can only fantasize about. I play at levels comparable to AOS, mid black max bet, but lower beginning wager, but I too enjoy his reports. It's a good read. I particularly like the beginnings when he is so full of optimism and excited about his trip. I like to see that with anyone. But again, the results parts we are REALLY just reading about normal variance. And it so happens on this trip AOS was the bug and not the windshield, as often happens to all of us. Better fortunes next trip with whatever you decide, AOS. :)
Quote: MrVI took no joy or satisfaction in watching AoS's depiction of Epic Bad Luck, but I am sure at least one reader is smiling and murmuring "schadenfreude."
Have to wonder though: if AoS had won over 15K instead of losing that amount, would all the Helpful Harry's still have chimed in as they did about the perceived inadequacies of using Speed Count?
I'm a little surprised it didn't bring him out of "retirement"; it's possible he hasn't read it I suppose.
And not nearly as much. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." as they say...
Quote: tringlomaneI'm a little surprised it didn't bring him out of "retirement"; it's possible he hasn't read it I suppose.
And not nearly as much. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." as they say...
He's read it. That is not speculation. I know for a fact that he has read it. Lol.
Read it, Hell he printed it out, laminated it, and is now sleeping with it. I have no doubt he sent it off for a t-shirt.Quote: kewljHe's read it. That is not speculation. I know for a fact that he has read it. Lol.
Quote: AxelWolfI wont swear by it, but I can honestly say I don't think I have lost 15 anything in a row playing any live game where I had close to 50/50 proposition including Video BJ.
Blackjack isn't really that close to 50/50. Closer to 40/50/10. I'm not sure if he is counting pushes or not. Either way, 15 in a row is not that rare of an event. Obviously a lot depends on the speed of your game, and whether you ignore pushes or not, but it's more frequent than once every 1000 hours. In other words, if you play a decent amount, it will happen to you eventually.
I've never actually counted my consecutive losses so I don't know if I've ever gotten that high. It doesn't matter anyway; the game is about winning money, not winning hands.
Quote: Mission146I think my Blackjack consecutive loss record is thirteen, except that also included one Surrender and there was one Push somewhere in there. That was actually my most recent proper Blackjack session, as opposed to just using Match Plays.
How do you know? Are you really spending brain-power counting your streaks of wins and losses? If so, stop doing that, and keep a side-count of aces or 7s or something. It's no harder than counting your streaks, and more profitable.
Quote: aceofspadesGood morning all
I realize that this trip report has become a hotbed for a speed count versus hi/Lo and I know it is all (well, most) of you wanting me to better myself through a better count. it is quite a possibility that I will take te and learn the count, but, if I do not, I would hope that does not cause any own to cease reading or wntimg on my trip reports. I am happy to have found this for and feel like I have you all along with me on the trips.
Hey, Ace,
I hope that it didn't feel like we were piling on. We were really trying to help.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHow do you know? Are you really spending brain-power counting your streaks of wins and losses? If so, stop doing that, and keep a side-count of aces or 7s or something. It's no harder than counting your streaks, and more profitable.
I agree. I definitely don't know my record for video poker futility, I just know that when I reach about 15 losses in a row, I may have actually counted 10 losses in a row by now because I don't notice the first few hands and I become agitated...haha
Blackjack I don't play very often but likely my worst streak in a casino was in Tunica the first time I went there in 2004. Bought in for $40 and I lost it in 10 hands. I went 0-8-2.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHow do you know? Are you really spending brain-power counting your streaks of wins and losses?
Well, I know my worst streak was 12 losses with 1 push. And that much, I'm absolutely certain on because it was my first time playing at a 25$ table with 300$ in.
Quote: VenthusWell, I know my worst streak was 12 losses with 1 push. And that much, I'm absolutely certain on because it was my first time playing at a 25$ table with 300$ in.
lol, fair enough
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHow do you know? Are you really spending brain-power counting your streaks of wins and losses? If so, stop doing that, and keep a side-count of aces or 7s or something. It's no harder than counting your streaks, and more profitable.
It was recreational play, I was just betting Table Minimum and playing Basic Strategy. More than anything, I was mainly curious about how the new ShuffleMaster I-Deal Tables functioned.
Quote: mickeycrimmAce, I apologize for being so mean spirited last night. Black Velvet was doing all the talking.
mickey, we are going to have to attach a breathalizer to your computer. Lol.
