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Quote: sodawaterThe point is it can't happen. 30 blackjack losses in a row without a push is impossible. Doesn't matter how many tables you break up the hands into.
"Can't" and "impossible"
Are you sure you are using those terms correctly?
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I suppose you have calculated Pi out to a final number as well
Quote: aceofspadesLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I suppose you have calculated Pi out to a final number as well
Do you really believe that in your recent blackjack trips you have experienced, separately and individually, a 1.85 billion to 1 shot, a 32 million to 1 shot, and two 40,000 to 1 shots?
Quote: sodawaterDo you really believe that in your recent blackjack trips you have experienced, separately and individually, a 1.85 billion to 1 shot, a 32 million to 1 shot, and two 40,000 to 1 shots?
Firstly I stated
The 30 hands at 3 tables was back in the day at revel
Secondly, as I continually state, improbable does not equal impossible
What are the odds of winning the lottery...? Do people still win...?
Quote: sodawaterDo you really believe that in your recent blackjack trips you have experienced, separately and individually, a 1.85 billion to 1 shot, a 32 million to 1 shot, and two 40,000 to 1 shots?
On the record, I do believe Ace because he has always been nothing but honest in his reports, win or lose. That said, I wish he would have put the money in a Megabucks slot instead of playing BJ. With his luck, he would have hit at least once.
Quote: BozOn the record, I do believe Ace because he has always been nothing but honest in his reports, win or lose. That said, I wish he would have put the money in a Megabucks slot instead of playing BJ. With his luck, he would have hit at least once.
and how do you know he has been honest?
I am not saying that he hasn't but really we don't know.
Quote: aceofspadesFirstly I stated
The 30 hands at 3 tables was back in the day at revel
Secondly, as I continually state, improbable does not equal impossible
What are the odds of winning the lottery...? Do people still win...?
1. Revel opened in 2012, right? So let's just say your blackjack trips the last few years.
2. 1.85 billion to 1 is a great definition of impossible.
3. The odds of winning the powerball jackpot are 1 in 175,223,510. Note that is more than 10 times more likely than losing 30 straight blackjack hands. Another way of putting that is if you play blackjack and Powerball at the same rate, you can expect to win 10 poweball jackpots before you lose 30 hands of blackjack in a row with no push.
People win the lottery because a lot of people play. If you were to buy a single powerball ticket, I would say it's impossible to win the jackpot. 175 million to 1 fits my definition of impossible.
Quote: GWAEand how do you know he has been honest?
I am not saying that he hasn't but really we don't know.
I think Ace has been honest about memories that are inaccurate. I believe Ace to be an honorable person and very well intentioned, but neither he nor anyone in human history has lost 30 hands of blackjack in a row without a push.
Quote: aceofspadesWhat if you went to 10 different tables and lost the first 3 hands at each table? What if you went to 30 different tables and lost the first hand at each one?
Table changes aren't really relevant.
Quote:I HAVE NO REASON TO LIE
No one is accusing you of lying. But when you start talking about billion-to-one shots, I start to think that it's more likely that you are mistaken. The human memory isn't great with this sort of thing. The 9-card 21 was pretty much my limit.
Quote: aceofspades"Can't" and "impossible"
Are you sure you are using those terms correctly?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I suppose you have calculated Pi out to a final number as well
Also...quantum mechanics tell us that if we place a baseball on a solid wooden table, there is some probability that the baseball will pass cleanly through the tabletop without touching it. But semantically, we have to draw the line somewhere. A baseball teleporting through a tabletop is "impossible," wouldn't you say? Yet any event you could imagine has some nonzero probability. We have to live in the real world.
Quote: sodawaterAlso...quantum mechanics tell us that if we place a baseball on a solid wooden table, there is some probability that the baseball will pass cleanly through the tabletop without touching it. But semantically, we have to draw the line somewhere. A baseball teleporting through a tabletop is "impossible," wouldn't you say? Yet any event you could imagine has some nonzero probability. We have to live in the real world.
My experiences and reports are from the real world...people are just choosing to not believe them
Quote: sodawaterI believe Ace to be an honorable person and very well intentioned, but neither he nor anyone in human history has lost 30 hands of blackjack in a row without a push.
You don't think a billion hands have been played in blackjack in casinos worldwide so far?
I had a 1 in 23.25 billion event happen to me at online poker, at PokerStars, which I believe is random. But when playing 300,000 hands of the game lifetime, the chances of me seeing this was closer to 1 in 311,849. I have to thank a old WoV thread to help me get that 2nd number. That does not include the fact that it occurred on my favorite Uncle's birthday, RIP. Crazy things can happen, I just wish I was playing Powerball that day instead. :( Without hard proof though, I would believe it's more likely that ace miscounted, but I wouldn't rule it out happening.
The hand history of getting 75432 dealt to me 4 times in 16 hands.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=36299004&postcount=17
Quote: sodawater
So Ace lost 15 hands in a row, twice, each at 40,000 to 1, and then also lost to a 9-card 21, at 32 MILLION to 1, all in the same trip?
Well, I've hit 2 royals in a 3 day period, roughly same odds. I don' think it's unusual odds at least for a different game of chance. The third one is the one I wouldn't expect to see, but seeing it once or twice in a lifetime maybe.
Quote: rxwineWell, I've hit 2 royals in a 3 day period, roughly same odds. I don' think it's unusual odds at least for a different game of chance. The third one is the one I wouldn't expect to see, but seeing it once or twice in a lifetime maybe.
Not really comparable. You can play 1000 hand of video poker an hour.
Quote: tringlomaneWithout hard proof though, I would believe it's more likely that ace miscounted
That's all that I was saying
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceNot really comparable. You can play 1000 hand of video poker an hour.
but I assure you I didn't even come close. I wasn't playing more than 4 hours in that 3 days in Vegas. But I lived there too.
Quote: aceofspadesSince it seems people doubt the veracity of my claims---I am issuing a blanket policy of not believing any claims made by these players. How do I know you actually use a hi/Lo, zen count, side counts, etc. Merely because you know the terminology Nd the math is not proof. I will need documentary evidence that you even count or are an AP
This gets silly really fast when people use "selective memory" as a term of Art for "liar"
As such, do not call yourself an AP without an income tax return showing you are a professional gambler or link to a video of you using your counting technique in a casino---otherwise, I believe you have selective memory as well
It would seem you took great offense at my 'selective memory' comments, Ace. For that I apologize. Comments were not make to put you down in any way. I suspect I am one of the younger members of this site. There seems to be a small group about my age, early 30's, while most of the other permanent members range older. While I may not have a lot of years experience in life to fall back on, I do have a pretty good amount of casino experience packed into my 11 years career. I have seen many folks, including some attempting to AP, be gobbled up by gambling, addiction and emotions, and loss of self control that go with it. And the industry counts on that! And there are certain signs to this behavior.
It's always a slippery slope when you care enough to point out danger signs to someone, whether you are talking about gambling, drugs, alcohol or whatever. People get defensive and angry real fast. That was not my intent, nor really my place. so again, I apologize and will refrain from commenting on your situation in the future.
As for your idea of wanting proof from anyone calling themselves professional gamblers, well, this topic comes up frequently on various websites. The internet is based in anonymity, although it is becoming less and less so. And professional gambler are anonymous by nature of their business. Do you really think that's going to happen? Maybe that's the lawyer in you talking...wanting proof of things...lol. But despite the anonymity of the internet, on a 'specialty' site like this it is pretty easy to weed out who is legit and who isn't. Who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.
Quote: rxwinebut I assure you I didn't even come close. I wasn't playing more than 4 hours in that 3 days in Vegas. But I lived there too.
FWIW, I don't think that the 15 losses in a row are a big deal. I don't pay attention to these things but I wouldn't be surprised if it's happened to me. Play enough blackjack and it will happen to you eventually. You always hear about people getting 2 royals in an hour, or whatever. These things happen.
The 9-card 21 was impressive, if it happened. I'm pretty sure I've never seen that before.
30 losing hands in a row -- I just can't believe that. It's not impossible but it's much, much, much more likely that an error is being made.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI've had it happen to me at MGM once.
Didn't a dealer also pull blackjacks against you in all 5 hands of a single-deck shuffle or something? :)
Quote: kewljIt would seem you took great offense at my 'selective memory' comments, Ace. For that I apologize. Comments were not make to put you down in any way. I suspect I am one of the younger members of this site. There seems to be a small group about my age, early 30's, while most of the other permanent members range older. While I may not have a lot of years experience in life to fall back on, I do have a pretty good amount of casino experience packed into my 11 years career. I have seen many folks, including some attempting to AP, be gobbled up by gambling, addiction and emotions, and loss of self control that go with it. And the industry counts on that! And there are certain signs to this behavior.
It's always a slippery slope when you care enough to point out danger signs to someone, whether you are talking about gambling, drugs, alcohol or whatever. People get defensive and angry real fast. That was not my intent, nor really my place. so again, I apologize and will refrain from commenting on your situation in the future.
As for your idea of wanting proof from anyone calling themselves professional gamblers, well, this topic comes up frequently on various websites. The internet is based in anonymity, although it is becoming less and less so. And professional gambler are anonymous by nature of their business. Do you really think that's going to happen? Maybe that's the lawyer in you talking...wanting proof of things...lol. But despite the anonymity of the internet, on a 'specialty' site like this it is pretty easy to weed out who is legit and who isn't. Who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.
My post was not directed at anyone -- was merely my push-back against the whole idea that without any further documentation (which I can in no way provide, people believe my memory has failed -- that being said, these same members who are saying my memory is failing me are also saying I should use a better count which involves more
Memory)
Additionally I am flattered that forum members care enough to discuss my emotional state and hope that nothing I've said herein will cause that to stop
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou always hear about people getting 2 royals in an hour, or whatever. These things happen.
Wish it would happen to me! Preferably vulturing a dollar or higher Ultimate X machine.
Quote: soxfanI like the asceofspade, he is a stylish and straight shooting cat, so I have no reason to disbelieve him. And I, once lost 24 straight hands at 21. I got clipped for 15 straight at one table, and I lost another 9 on the bounce after changingtable trying to seek greener pasture. And Zeus knows I have seen all kind of strange things at the baccarats tables, hey hey.
Thank you soxfan - I can feel what you went through
Quote: tringlomaneMore than 30k views!
Is that a good number...?
Quote: tringlomanePretty good I'd say. I mainly pointed it out because my computer at the time said exactly 30,000. My TR from February got about 2000 views in comparison.
Good catch on the exact number
I suppose this report inspired debate
Quote: aceofspadesGood catch on the exact number
I suppose this report inspired debate
I will admit that debate does help. :)
great your now reasonable for eating up all the bandwidth.Quote: aceofspadesQuote: tringlomaneMore than 30k views!
Is that a good number...?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDidn't a dealer also pull blackjacks against you in all 5 hands of a single-deck shuffle or something? :)
Five dealer blackjacks in a single-deck shuffle? Now THAT'S running bad. ;)
Quote: AxelWolfgreat your now reasonable for eating up all the bandwidth.Quote: aceofspadesQuote: tringlomaneMore than 30k views!
Is that a good number...?
I think the WIZARD appreciates all the views as he can use it to set advertising rates
Quote: AxelWolfgreat your now reasonable for eating up all the bandwidth.Quote: aceofspadesQuote: tringlomaneMore than 30k views!
Is that a good number...?
I think the WIZARD appreciates all the views as he can use it to set advertising rates
Quote: DeucekiesFive dealer blackjacks in a single-deck shuffle? Now THAT'S running bad. ;)
That was the joke :)
I am not going to stress out about the 1900 I am down but will recoup it slowly.
If indeed, I regain the original 12k I was up for the year as of 12/31/2014, then that will be a very good year and, who knows when I will be back in Vegas again :)
Quote: teddys30 losses in a row is the new 18 yo's in a row :)
Hello gasoline. Meet Mr. Fire
Quote: strictlyAPI caught 26 bankers in a row in baccarat
Just came from Vegas where I actually lost the first 14 of 15 wagers. Different sessions and different tables. Wherever I went I lost.
Quote: strictlyAPI caught 26 bankers in a row in baccarat
Years ago I was playing a bet bankers only style, and I buck up against 19 players in a row, followed by a single bankers followed by 17 more players in a row. But, that was at an "online casino", hey hey.
Quote: mdsJust came from Vegas where I actually lost the first 14 of 15 wagers. Different sessions and different tables. Wherever I went I lost.
Losing 14 out of 15 is not remotely in the same ballpark as 30 in a row. It's the difference between a couple of thousand and a billion.
Having said that, losing 30 in a row is nowhere near 18 yo's in a row either. :)
Quote:I am not going to stress out about the 1900 I am down
Good grief, I would hope not.
You're a lawyer; if losing less than $2K were to stress you out, you'd be no good in a courtroom, where the stakes are much higher.
as I have no idea how I can ever prove it, I will try to not bring up any further mathematical impossibilities that happen when I am playing as they will not be believed anyway
Quote: aceofspadesI will try to not bring up any further mathematical impossibilities that happen when I am playing as they will not be believed anyway
mathematical impossibilities mathematical improbabilities shall we say
did you see how the Wizard handled this at his "ask the W"? He doesn't say whether it's believable or not, just lays out the facts.
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/286/
Occam's razor says it didn't. There are simply too many explanations that are far more reasonable to explain your claim than your claim actually being true.Quote: aceofspades30 in a row at three separate tables happened
If 1 billion people flip a coin 30 times, one of them (on average) will flip 30 heads. But, if a guy comes up to me and says he is the guy who flipped 30 heads, I'm checking his coin, because you better believe that it's two-headed! Claims of the miraculous must be meted out delicately and conservatively. Your "nine-card 21" pretty much exhausted your quota.
ETA: And a suite
ETAA: And some free play
ETAAA: And some free food
ETAAAA: Ah crap I am to poor to even get there, can you arrange transportation?
Quote: teliotOccam's razor says it didn't. There are simply too many explanations that are far more reasonable to explain your claim than your claim actually being true.
If 1 billion people flip a coin 30 times, one of them (on average) will flip 30 heads. But, if a guy comes up to me and says he is the guy who flipped 30 heads, I'm checking his coin, because you better believe that it's two-headed! Claims of the miraculous must be meted out delicately and conservatively. Your "nine-card 21" pretty much exhausted your quota.
I think there is a math question on this site about that. Something about if you fill a stadium with people and they all flip a coin and you are eliminated if you flip tails. How many flips would it take to be down to 1 person.
