Brand New Counter - $40,000 bankroll - What should be my bet spread and at what table minimum?

Quote: stabworld

I am located in New York - and frequent Foxwoods a lot - I go there 3 days a week (to play poker) - Mohegan Sun is right next door - and I also visit Sands in PA on Mondays (to play poker tournaments)..

I want to optimize the total profit long term.. Not looking for a short term get rich quick scheme. I would like to dedicate 20 hours a week - 1,000 hours a year. I do have the personality to handle the loss even for months.

I don't know much about the casinos in those area. Maybe some other forum members can tell you about how much heat you would get in the DD game there. The rules in the DD game look very good so far but you need to find out about the penetration. If the penetration is only around 50%, then I would rather play the 8 decks. The rules are important but don't forget the other important factors, which are the penetration and the speed of the game. Usually, I try to find the less crowded table and the dealers who give better penetration. In the DD game, the usual spread is 1 to 8 and 1 to 16 in the 8 deck game. Also, try not chase losses in one casino. If you lose big in one casino, go somewhere else to balance out the actions. Otherwise, you are the guy that always win or break-even and your 86 day is coming much sooner.

There is no double deck blackjack in Connecticut. I'm not sure if stabworld thinks there may be or if he is talking about somewhere else.

Quote: 1BB

There is no double deck blackjack in Connecticut. I'm not sure if stabworld thinks there may be or if he is talking about somewhere else.

I've never seen a double deck game here, either. It'd have to be shoe-dealt, which would be weird.

The rules for the 8 card deck was for foxwoods.. the 2 deck was for Sands.. I haven't personally seen the double deck game at Sands.. and am going off of what somebody else posted in another forum.. http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/11128-best-pa-blackjack-game/ I am going to Sands tonight however...and will search for this game.. I heard it is $50 min.according to the other forum.. will report back to let everybody know if it is there or not.

By the way..appreciate all the feedback I am getting so quickly ....

Quote: stabworld

The rules for the 8 card deck was for foxwoods.. the 2 deck was for Sands.. I haven't personally seen the double deck game at Sands.. and am going off of what somebody else posted in another forum.. http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/11128-best-pa-blackjack-game/ I am going to Sands tonight however...and will search for this game.. I heard it is $50 min.according to the other forum.. will report back to let everybody know if it is there or not.

By the way..appreciate all the feedback I am getting so quickly ....

A couple of corrections on the Foxwoods 8 deck game.

The dealer must hit soft 17 and the penetration is closer to 85%.

Quote: 1BB

A couple of corrections on the Foxwoods 8 deck game.

The dealer must hit soft 17 and the penetration is closer to 85%.

Ok ..thanks for the correction.... the 85% penetration sounds a lot better... even though they must hit on soft 17...

So still haven't found a good min bet and spread. suggestions for this 8 deck game using hi/lo - index play - 40k bankroll?

Now after hearing I should use a bigger spread for an 8 deck .. I'm thinking $25 min bet .1-16 spread...? $25- $400 max bet.. i'll have 1,600 min bet units and 100 max bet units ..what would be the rate of ruin on this? and what would be my average bet $50? or $75? could I expect to make $50 - $75 per hour averaging 100 hands per hour with a 1% player advantage edge?

Looks like it actually was 1BB who originally said in the other thread that Sands had a 2 deck game. I've never seen that game, but that's also a pretty reliable source. Later in the thread, another player says it's a "dealer pitch" game. But PA laws are pretty clear that all games must be dealt from a shoe (that's how/why CSMs aren't used in PA). So I'm not sure if the game at Sands is hand-held or dealt face down from a shoe or what.

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

There are csm's in PA.

I know Valley Forge is all shoe games, and I'm 90% sure Harrah's is too. I can't think of where a CSM would be at Sands, either. Is it mostly in the Western part of the state where the CSMs are in play? If I didn't hate Parx and Hollywood, would I see CSMs at those places?

I just read the PA GCB's regs. There's about a dozen pages of what to do if dealing "except with a continuous shuffler" and 0 pages of codified procedures for when a CSM is in use. I thought they disallowed CSM use, but after actually reading (ok, yeah...skimming) them, it's more like they just don't regulate the crap out of CSM-based games like they do with tables that require two sets of cards, shuffle procedures, cut procedures, etc., etc., etc.

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