Will the D'Alembert produce a win on a 50/50 game of chance?

Quote: soxfan

Actually, abilities such as telekinesis, and esp are innate in a certain percentage of the population. Those abilities can be developed given the right amount of time and effort.

Unicorns and leprechauns exist.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I'll toss in another $30 that says no one is pyschic. This is even better than my super bowl safety bet :)

I thought your psychic ability is what made you decide to make that bet in the first place?

Quote: wudged

I thought your psychic ability is what made you decide to make that bet in the first place?

Yeah, that and the +1000 line I was offered :) I fully expected to lose but I thought that the price was good.

Quote: BankIt

Since you brought it up, we are all Psychic on some level.
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Maybe. But it's erratic and undependable,
therefore it's useless.

Quote: BankIt

If you can produce those consistant numbers over and over then you will produced. A little secret that Gr8 highlighted but didn't come out and directly say it. Don't Get Greedy. You keep yourself under control and sticking to what ever plan that seems to be working for you, you'll do that much better in the long run.

here is a little secret, isn't that a complete contridiction? Produce consistantly? But don't get greedy??? If ya could produce it consistantly, you could be as greedy as much as you want.

So now all we have to do to win playing Baccara' is improve our psychic abilities, yep sounds about right.

Quote: BankIt

Good stuff, thanks. Appreciate it.

BankIt

That's exactly why I post in these forums; to assist those that are interested in bettering their overall Bac game.

I appreciate you posting your positive opinion; Goodness knows I get plenty of negative ones 'round here.

Quote: BankIt

A little secret that Gr8 highlighted but didn't come out and directly say it. Don't Get Greedy. You keep yourself under control and you'll do that much better in the long run.


BankIt

Hello again, BankIt.

I've been espousing "keeping yourself under control" for years in these forums. Why?:

My entire Bac play, my total chances for long term success, depend on it.

More on that in my next post in my reply to RolexWatch/Egalite/Johno. Stay tuned....

Quote: RolexWatch

here is a little secret, isn't that a complete contridiction? Produce consistantly? But don't get greedy??? If ya could produce it consistantly, you could be as greedy as much as you want.

Not to pick on you, RolexWatch/Egalite/Johno, but seeing as you've just brought it up, please pardon my indulgence:

"If ya could produce it constantly, you could be as greedy as much as you want."

Er, no, you can't.

No offense, but that quote is more akin to something a, as you would call them, a "mathite" would say.

Sure, one's edge is important, and should (and must) be taken advantage of to the very best of our abilities as they arise. My Bac play is dependent upon those advantageous times, when my plays are "hoppin' and poppin'". You see, I'll make much more money when I'm "right" than I'll ever lose when I'm "wrong".

BUUUTTT, that all said, it does not preclude, in any way, shape, or form, the absolute necessity of strict "exit strategies".

You see, my friends, we are not now, nor ever will be, robots. We are living, breathing humans, complete with feelings and emotions. And, make no mistake of it, gambling of any sort will see us go through a full gamut of most every one of those human feelings/emotions.

Now, if we allow ourselves (yes, "allow" ourselves....remember, I always suggest one must "control what they can control", namely, themselves) to put ourselves in the most precarious positions on a regular basis, where either we're getting too greedy, or "over-staying our welcome" (read: catch a nice run of our plays hitting rather well only to still be there for the impending downturn), or, even worse, over-betting our position; what does any or all of that say about US as players? No, we mustn't permit it to permeate our game. Hence, conservative "exit strategies" are paramount to our long term success.

Imagine the scenario (don't make like its never happened...its happened to all of us at one time or another) whereupon you were 90% to your win goal only to see your game become unraveled, your plays either are sleeping or, worse, aren't hitting. Now, you probably, at 90%, were "counting your money" and "assuming your impending win" and, frankly, had one foot out the door. BUUUTTT, now you're being pulled back in, and you're in an unexpected dog-fight. Tell me: What sort of feelings/emotions are you going through right now? Frustration? Or even worse, tilting?

I mean, after all, now your 90% win has vanished, and you're not the least bit satisfied at "even", because all you're thinking about now is where the heck did my 90% winnings disappear to? And why?!

YOU! That's why.

Wouldn't it be much better that you take a shot at your win goal when you're doing well, but if you drop down from 90% to 75% you EXIT the session? Of course, it would.

We don't have the sort of edges that guarantee us anything. We battle, both the tables and ourselves, constantly. And both, equally, must be consistently monitored. It is, undeniably, mentally draining, this battle that we must endure at the tables. The swings, the money, the cards....mind-benders, all. And so we must continue to make decisions for ourselves that are constructive rather than destructive, especially given the heat of the moment. It is our inherent responsibility to do what we can to douse the fire rather than enflame it. No one can do it for you, and certainly the venue (read: casino) doesn't help. So we must adhere to strict, conservative "exit strategies"; lest we become not much more than "sitting ducks", just awaiting the time that we get "picked off". No room for that in any serious players game, their collective edges nothwithstanding....

So, to say that, because you play a strong game and know when and how to take advantage of your edges is an excuse to just keep right on playing at each and every shoe/session, is to speak as a naïve amateur.

That, my friends, is the difference between thinking and playing as a winner, or playing, robotically, as a loser.

Which might you prefer to be said of you?

Quote: RolexWatch

here is a little secret, isn't that a complete contridiction? Produce consistantly? But don't get greedy??? If ya could produce it consistantly, you could be as greedy as much as you want.

Guess like that new BF clone coin tossing site over there is getting kind of boring I see for Peter Keating.

Peter Keating is back! Just can't stay away from the Wizard can you Egalite/John/Johno/Carlo/Sting/bigbadjohn. Now RolexWatch. Talk about not living up to your words. Such a total absence of integrity. That tells you a real lack of discipline right there! LOL. What an unstable mental case to boot. Keep it up gr8!

Speaking like a true degenerate consistent loser - "you could be as greedy as much as you want." Of course you can! Which explains your terrible sleeping patterns and other present and future health issues because of baccarat. Your recent devastating beat down in Australia. Coming out of the casino with a measly two units win from an initial +58 units up because you want to get +60 units a few years ago. Plus a host of other hilarious yet sad baccarat outtakes through out the years.

Thanks for the entertainment and education of what NOT to do. Well better your chips and time than mine.

It's good to see that the Gr888888888one/john-O feud is still goin strong after all these years. I like stuff you can depend on, hey hey.

Quote: soxfan

Actually, abilities such as telekinesis, and esp are innate in a certain percentage of the population. Those abilities can be developed given the right amount of time and effort. And, heck, I could have an 87% strike rate at the baccarats if only they'd let me bring my ouijeee board to the tables, hey hey!

Why yes. It is all about the Dharma Initiative. Or we can stick with Egalite's/RolexWatch's binary tables. LOL.

Namaste.

For those interested in the topic, the book in the link below is a GREAT read, hey hey.
http://books.google.ca/books/about/How_to_Test_and_Develop_Your_ESP.html?id=rU7cOugeRtYC&redir_esc=y

Quote: soxfan

For those interested in the topic, the book in the link below is a GREAT read, hey hey.
http://books.google.ca/books/about/How_to_Test_and_Develop_Your_ESP.html?id=rU7cOugeRtYC&redir_esc=y

Thanks. Looks like a great read. When I internalize the book into my very bones I am going to definitely apply this to attack the lottery!!!! I am going to be a billionaire many times over!!!!!!!

The Magnificent Randi has A $1,000,000 that says ESP is all bullshit !

Hmm...

If I were psychic, I would be able to make a couple million in the WSOP... and once I'd taken Randi's money, they probably wouldn't let me in...

Plus once I'd won the WSOP, I'd be able to make a killing in the market... but then if I ever took Randi's bet, the potestates quae sunt would probably find some way to charge me with insider trading...

Quote: Buzzard

The Magnificent Randi has A $1,000,000 that says ESP is all bullshit !

Randi's 1,000,000$ doesn't exist, hey hey.

Come on people don't be knockin' on ESP! When playing in conjunction of a negative progression, it does wonders to one's bankroll! It disappears like magic and you are constantly wondering how it can go poof! so fast. Just ask Egalite/RolexWatch. He is an expert at this. +8 years of experience worth with many bottles of sleeping pills to back it up.

Quote: 24Bingo

Hmm...

If I were psychic, I would be able to make a couple million in the WSOP... and once I'd taken Randi's money, they probably wouldn't let me in...

Plus once I'd won the WSOP, I'd be able to make a killing in the market... but then if I ever took Randi's bet, the potestates quae sunt would probably find some way to charge me with insider trading...

Yeah, or you could make a $25 bet at baccarat every 15 minutes.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Yeah, or you could make a $25 bet at baccarat every 15 minutes.

*Audible Chuckle*

Never could figure out why all the faith healers are in a tent collecting donations, instead of at a hospital ?

Quote: soxfan

Randi's 1,000,000$ doesn't exist, hey hey.

It has done in the past.

I have no idea of the current status. I know they talked about removing the prize with the person who fronted the money, as they could use it for other work in the JREF.

There is a psychic palms reader at the Palms, I've always wondered why she doesn't read her own palms and play slots when it's her lucky day? Why is she working out of a small corner by the bathroom, when there are so many must hit-by's she'll know when it'll pop?

Quote: DMSCR

Guess like that new BF clone coin tossing site over there is getting kind of boring I see for Peter Keating.

Peter Keating is back! Just can't stay away from the Wizard can you Egalite/John/Johno/Carlo/Sting/bigbadjohn. Now RolexWatch. Talk about not living up to your words. Such a total absence of integrity. That tells you a real lack of discipline right there! LOL. What an unstable mental case to boot. Keep it up gr8!

Speaking like a true degenerate consistent loser - "you could be as greedy as much as you want." Of course you can! Which explains your terrible sleeping patterns and other present and future health issues because of baccarat. Your recent devastating beat down in Australia. Coming out of the casino with a measly two units win from an initial +58 units up because you want to get +60 units a few years ago. Plus a host of other hilarious yet sad baccarat outtakes through out the years.

Thanks for the entertainment and education of what NOT to do. Well better your chips and time than mine.

Yes, D-man, no doubt of it, a real train wreck.

As I was entertaining the thought of joining in the conversation at that new Bac site, I'd noticed him posting under the username "John". And, as much as I know that soxfan likes his cashews and Guinness with the entertainment value of it all, I just didn't feel like getting all up into any new feud with "John" at that fledgling site; wouldn't be fair to the new admins.

Oh, and make no mistake of, there'd have been a feud.....Why?:

Because he's on that fledgling site espousing his "template", "binary", "labouchere lines" baloney, that's why. I was testing template play when he was still soiling his diapers, and, frankly, I found it all worth just that....the soiling. I could, if I were so inclined, explain fully why template play, even given his proclamation of "losing only to 25% of all 4-streaks", is absolutely undependable and worthless. You see, my friend, there is a flaw, a serious flaw, in his thinking, and it's biting him in the butt at every twist and turn. Even worse, the way he plays it, it's outright dangerous. Hence, his constant need for "splitting Labby lines" and his subsequent "tilting".

But, I think I'll keep my template/binary findings to myself...after all, far be it for me to stop him from making his...what'd he claim?...20,000 dollars a month income from the casinos down under..lol An absolute absurdity....

The folks over there eat it up as the new gospel. So what does that tell you as well? Peter Keating needs an audience. That is how he "wins" in baccarat since he is not winning at the tables. There is everything inherently wrong with Peter one will not know where and how to begin. Plus who would want to anyways that is if he even plays at all like he states.

Just put it simply he has no respect and appreciation for the process and just result oriented like all the amateurs out there. Given that he has been doing this for some 10+ years as he proclaims you think he would of gotten it by now. Nope. Just poor execution all around with hope, greed and fear dictating his every move.

It is just hilarious seeing all his exaggerations to cover up his constant beat downs. They get more grandiose every time you yank his chain.

Quote: gr8player

Yes, D-man, no doubt of it, a real train wreck.

As I was entertaining the thought of joining in the conversation at that new Bac site, I'd noticed him posting under the username "John". And, as much as I know that soxfan likes his cashews and Guinness with the entertainment value of it all, I just didn't feel like getting all up into any new feud with "John" at that fledgling site; wouldn't be fair to the new admins.

Yet you prefer to continue a feud here under the assumption that it is fair to our administrators?
Even in the rare event that one of you should compliment another, you still choose to continue with your bickering. I can recall many instances where support and disparagement are in the same post, and the feud continues.

Quote: gr8player

Oh, and make no mistake of, there'd have been a feud.....Why?:

Because he's on that fledgling site espousing his "template", "binary", "labouchere lines" baloney, that's why. I was testing template play when he was still soiling his diapers, and, frankly, I found it all worth just that....the soiling. I could, if I were so inclined, explain fully why template play, even given his proclamation of "losing only to 25% of all 4-streaks", is absolutely undependable and worthless.

I believe the majority of us here are relieved that you are not inclined to explain the inadequacies of a method of play different than your own. Stating faults is easy; proving faults is not so easy, especially when neither side can prove an advantage.

Wanna end the feud?
Here's how: Stop pointing to the inadequacies of another's method of play and focus on proving the merits of your own. Until you can prove the merits of your own methods, you have no advantage in any argument stating the lack of dependability and worth concerning the methods of another.

Quote: gr8player

But, I think I'll keep my template/binary findings to myself...after all, far be it for me to stop him from making his...what'd he claim?...20,000 dollars a month income from the casinos down under..lol An absolute absurdity....

This reminds me of the individual who claims success at a game, yet has a disagreement with others on the subject of calculating advantage, even going so far as to brush off any discussion of the Kelly criterion.
The possibility exists that I may be misunderstanding, but if a player indeed has an advantage and can utilize that advantage unharassed, he should at least display interest in obtaining further knowledge to maximize winnings.
He should have no compunctions with earning $1,000,000. If earning a million seems "too greedy", just use it to earn a quarter of a million.

Quote: gr8player

Because he's on that fledgling site espousing his "template", "binary", "labouchere lines" baloney, that's why.

Don't want to upset the "odd-couple" nor interrupt the love-fest which is happen at the moment. Just because you mention "baloney",

Quote: gr8player

You guys will NEVER EVER beat this game over the long-term unless you begin to see in 3-D. Believe that, my friends. Trending play, as strictly a bet selection, is NOT where the advantage lies. While it surely does offer logical choices as to where to put one's money, it alone, mathematically-speaking, offers absolutely no advanatage.

But, that said, NEITHER DOES ANY OTHER BET SELECTION KNOWN TO MAN OFFER AN ADVANTAGE OVER THE HOUSE. NONE. PERIOD. So, let's not just "burden" the trenders with that "shortcoming", OK? http://tinyurl.com/q7xumqt

So is that it, all we have to do is see the game in 3D?? I do notice you have back-tracked on your self-professed 53% advantage lately?

Quote: gr8player

Firstly, my edge at Bac is greater than any edge you'd have at BJ. The only reason I don't make more money is because I don't place as many bets as a BJ counter would, so their smaller edge, when multiplied by the number of bets placed, yields more dollars.

But, I've compensated for that by raising my unit sizes. Now, my dollars gained is just fine, thank you.
http://tinyurl.com/pl2qnsf

Really? In a game of chance!! Now do tell me who best suits this word "BALONEY".

Quote: gr8player

2.) Scorecards. Even though I write on them in "code", I let no one see them, and I take them with me even on "bathroom breaks". http://tinyurl.com/ndrejok

Again, who is the fruit loop? or quote "An absolute absurdity."

Quote: gr8player

Sidenote #2: I'm leaving the parking lot at the AC hotel when the "attendant" says to me: "Wow, sir. Very nice. You are a very good player. I see you don't bet every hand and are very patient. Very nice." This from the freakin' parking lot attendant! When the heck did she see me play? Isn't she working? You could've knocked me over with a feather. Still, to speak honestly......it felt good.

Nope. True story. I was in disbelief myself, but my playing partner heard it as well. She did look a bit familiar to me, and is Asian. She might be what I call a "hanger". If you frequent the bac sections of the casinos in AC, you'll get to know the "hangers", a term I use to describe the people who are there just to watch the play, as if it were a movie. Maybe it's because of the larger bets made at the bac tables, or they just want to get close enough to the action that they can "smell it", or, maybe, as I suspect this woman, trying to "observe and learn". Who knows. But, yeah SF, it surely was "weird".http://tinyurl.com/pqr3jcs

So now we have staff members hanging around gaming tables during their time off? I must say this is unheralded and I'm sure frowned upon big-time by any establishment, only in the world of Walter Mitty would this actually happen.

Quote: gr8player

Another time, when I had asked a casino boss to "check my rating" because I was given unquestionably "short" comp dollars, I was told by him that it actually reads in their computer my EXPECTED WIN, not my EXPECTED LOSS. (Somehow, apparently, they calculate what you're generally expected to lose on a per session basis.) What I felt was amazing was that they actually had an "expected win" percentage for me in their computer. http://tinyurl.com/ncquzjc

Again, having gambled in many countries, I have never ever heard of this. Usually your member details are displayed, how much you bought in for, your initial bet or average bet, comp points total, is this another of those Walter Mitty brain farts experiences? I'm sure there are knowledgeable US based members who could confirm or laugh at this fantasy moment. Quote "An absolute absurdity".

Quote: gr8player

Frankly speaking, I have been approached to write a book on my Baccarat play. http://tinyurl.com/nb9hdel

Really?

Quote: gr8player

I will not enumerate my plays in this forum, not now and not ever.
I paid for my plays. Dearly. Money-wise. Time-wise. Blood, sweat, and tears-wise.
Do you think, for one second, that I'd just "give away" all I've worked so hard for lo these 20 years?
Do you think I would enumerate my plays for the casinos to see?
Do you think I'd enumerate my plays for ANYONE to see?
http://tinyurl.com/qglswb6

Thank the Lord for that and yes we ALL already know you paid for your plays, to the tune of a quarter of a million bucks, no exactly pretty no matter what you claim is your current success rate.

Quote: gr8player

what'd he claim?...20,000 dollars a month income from the casinos down under..lol An absolute absurdity....

Quote: gr8player

I was playing my progression with $200 units, and I had $20K at my disposal, if necessary. Only once....just once....I had to advance that far in my progression. But that once was enough for me to "modify" my original Gr8Player's Progression to the "conservative version", whereby I remain at the same level if the current level was lost only by 1 (3 W vs 4 L). A great improvement.
http://tinyurl.com/nnw68wg

You would do well to remember "great player"

Quote: gr8player

I've LOST more money at this game than I'd ever care to count http://tinyurl.com/oad4ngz

and more money than you could ever possibly recoup, you should remember this simple little FACT.

How about the time you tried to convince everybody on one site you bet $400 per hand, yet on another site back-track and state you never bet $400 per hand?

edit..

Quote: rob45

Here's how: Stop pointing to the inadequacies of another's method of play and focus on proving the merits of your own.

What merits ?

Quote: AxelWolf

What merits ?

Touche'!

What is hilarious is that when this great baccarat playa turns up at the wizard site, he has to point out the number of posts he has made on other boards (think he mentioned he has over 4000 posts on one site and 1000 on another in his desperately seeking thread). When anybody takes the mind numbing decision to glance over those posts, they are 10 times more obtuse than the amphigory he posts here, however views them as a badge of honour? When in reality it stinks of desperateness to be acknowledged. Acknowledgement of what exactly? "hey look at me, I'm winning now despite losing $250k".

Quote: gr8player

You see, I have certain trend plays that, frankly, will never see the light of day on this or any public board. That's why I laugh when I read certain comments about "my plays", "my signals", or "my triggers". Suffice it to say (and listen up good here): My signals/triggers VARY from shoe-to-shoe, always CONFORMING TO the results that THIS SHOE is DISPOSED TO GIVING. Does it work all the time? Of course, not. And the begining of the next shoe was difficult for me, as well. BUUUUT, the way I trend, I will catch certain trends that most of you out there would be left scratching their heads over. I trend EACH SHOE SEPARATELY. I look for things that most bac players haven't yet dreamed about. http://tinyurl.com/o6a8emo

What exactly were you trying to say here, don't stop dreaming about Baccarat shoes in 3D perhaps? That you can predict what is akin to coin flips with a great degree of accuracy? Or highlight you are obviously lacking recognition in some walks of your life, therefore compensate via your destructive gambling addiction.

When it comes to "baloney" who is the daddy?

Quote: RolexWatch

When it comes to "baloney" who is the daddy?

Oh, that's rich, my friend, especially coming from the likes of you....

.....because you're not just the BALONEY "daddy", you've got your own whole darn BALONEY family posting in these forums:

Daddy "Johno"
Mommy "Carlo"
Pet "Sting"
Son "Egalite"
Daughter "RolexWatch"

Now, run along, before I bring out your BALONEY cousins....LOL

The real embarrassment that I feel for you, my friend, is the very fact that you went out of your way to self-banish yourself from this forum after you were exposed with your ridiculous claims of "winning 20K per month" at the game, and yet you still felt the urgency, not 3 days later, to reinvent yourself, for the umpteenth time, under a new username "RolexWatch".

Who does that? What sort of mind are you in? Are you even sane? Goodness knows we could pull some Johno/Carlo/Sting/Egalite posts for all to read so that we may be able to get some other opinions regarding your state of mind....oh...and Carlo's, and Sting's, and Egalite's, and RolexWatch's as well.

Quote: AxelWolf

What merits ?

For someone who doesn't even play the game, you sure seem to have some strong opinions regarding the "merits" of my play.

You seek to denigrate either myself, personally, or my play at every chance you get, AxelWolf. You've even gone so far as to proclaim that you would get the better of me if we were to play Baccarat together at the same shoe.

I will tell you this, my friend:

One shoe would prove nothing. Nor, frankly would a second or even a third. But given a larger sample of shoes, you wouldn't have a chance in heck to get the better of me. The casinos have their own built-in house edge, and still THEY can't do it. You, AxelWolf, would be left crying in my dust.

And, so that you make no mistake of it, there's a whole boatload of MERIT in that statement.

Quote: gr8player

For someone who doesn't even play the game, you sure seem to have some strong opinions regarding the "merits" of my play.

You seek to denigrate either myself, personally, or my play at every chance you get, AxelWolf. You've even gone so far as to proclaim that you would get the better of me if we were to play Baccarat together at the same shoe.

I will tell you this, my friend:

One shoe would prove nothing. Nor, frankly would a second or even a third. But given a larger sample of shoes, you wouldn't have a chance in heck to get the better of me. The casinos have their own built-in house edge, and still THEY can't do it. You, AxelWolf, would be left crying in my dust.

And, so that you make no mistake of it, there's a whole boatload of MERIT in that statement.

There's none whatsoever, as we both know that you'll never agree to a test. Nor would I expect you to... there's nothing to gain for you, whether you are as good as you claim or just another lucky stiff.

So, in essence, more steam blown off.

Quote: thecesspit

There's none whatsoever, as we both know that you'll never agree to a test. Nor would I expect you to... there's nothing to gain for you, whether you are as good as you claim or just another lucky stiff.

So, in essence, more steam blown off.

Not so much "steam" as mere frustration.

I know I can't prove much in this, or any, forum, without "giving the store away".

Suffice to say that I'm a conservative, patient, and disciplined Bac player with vast experience at this game. I record and track the shoes in a rather unique way, and I seek only to take advantage of those times when random begins to cluster. It is within that random clustering that my profit is found.

Oh, and by "profit", I mean, essentially, "not losing". Witness last Friday afternoon...sorry, two Fridays ago, I couldn't get to AC last week given that snowstorm...:

I couldn't get much traction. I was up 4 units, than back to even, then plus 2 units, then minus a unit....just a back-and-forth, up-and-down session. Never losing....yet. It is the "yet" part that saw me end that session a 2-unit winner. You see, I don't turn wining sessions into losing ones.

Now, might I have won more money had I stayed? Maybe. But that wouldn't have been worth nearly as much as the deflation I'd have felt if I'd have turned this winner into a loser. So, I weighed my options and decided to accept my win. Better than looking down the barrel of a loss....

And I play with high enough units to make my conservatism all the more worthwhile. BTW, that's very important. While you never want to find yourself over-betting and out of your own personal comfort zone, you do need to make your play "worth your while", lest it relegates itself as unimportant, or secondary. And you never want to get to the point where your results are secondary, because that's where the "action" takes over, and you never want to get caught "playing just for the excitement of playing".

Yes, thecesspit, anyone that's been following my posts over the years knows enough of me and my Bac theories and approaches and plays to know exactly what sort of player...heck, what sort of MAN I AM.

(Sidenote: And should anyone be interested in performing any searches for my posts, my username is "gr8player" in every forum I've ever attended. Easy enough......)

Quote: thecesspit

There's none whatsoever, as we both know that you'll never agree to a test. Nor would I expect you to... there's nothing to gain for you, whether you are as good as you claim or just another lucky stiff.

So, in essence, more steam blown off.

There is plenty for them to gain.

I'm sure that there are several people on this list (myself included) who would put up serious money that gr8 (or anyone else) could not hit his claimed 53% strike rate over a statistically significant period of time. He could probably take down 6 figures if he was telling the truth.

Quote: gr8player

Daddy "Johno"
Mommy "Carlo"
Pet "Sting"
Son "Egalite"
Daughter "RolexWatch"

On the subject of family, I've heard your wife and daughter walked out, any truth in that rumour (it was strange but not surprising to read that one)?

Quote: gr8player

claims of "winning 20K per month"

you keep harping on about this, curious, it must be rubbing your jealousy nerve, your not really sure are you, so you keep bring it up? Simply ask the casino regulars that watched and those in the know <wink>.
Is it really that difficult to win $1000? It is only 40 chips at $25 and only 10 chips betting black, play 6~7 days per week, there's over 20 days in a month BTW. Occasionally go beyond the target, suffer the odd rare set back, you'll end up sitting rather pretty, Which is a lot more than one can say about somebody who has contributed 250k to the casino coffer's, yet has the gall to call himself "a great playa" while feeling it his place to lecture and teach the rest of us mere mortals how to play. Get a life for God's sakes.

Now that is worth a ROFL

Whoa, there, AxiomOfChoice, let me see if I've got this right:

Are you saying that someone would pay me "serious money" if I were to show my plays that carry a 53% strike rate? You can't be serious.

Let me tell you, 53% won't get you spit. At least, not given my application, my play:

You see, there are times, rather regular times, where I'll hit 9 of 12, or 10 of 13, and be gone. Pfff, I'm outta there with my win goal locked up.

Now, given that, do you have any idea of the sort of numbers I'd have to be facing to get those 70 to 80% strike rates down to 53%?

To me, 53% ain't all that.....I wish it were. Maybe I'm not using it correctly, because I play a VERY hit n' run style.

You see, AxiomOfChoice, I play to win dollars. I'm at the table for nothing else....just dollars. Strike rate, shmike shmate, all trumped by dollars.

Quote: RolexWatch

On the subject of family, I've heard your wife and daughter walked out, any truth in that rumour (it was strange but not surprising to read that one)?

Say WHAT???!!!

My darling wife and I are now, and have been for going on 29 years, very happily married. And we're Blessed with two wonderful children.

So, no, there's no truth in your assertion, Johno/Carlo/Sting/Egalite/RolexWatch. Low blow, my friend, our history notwithstanding.

Quote: gr8player

Whoa, there, AxiomOfChoice, let me see if I've got this right:

Are you saying that someone would pay me "serious money" if I were to show my plays that carry a 53% strike rate? You can't be serious.

Let me tell you, 53% won't get you spit. At least, not given my application, my play:

You see, there are times, rather regular times, where I'll hit 9 of 12, or 10 of 13, and be gone. Pfff, I'm outta there with my win goal locked up.

Now, given that, do you have any idea of the sort of numbers I'd have to be facing to get those 70 to 80% strike rates down to 53%?

To me, 53% ain't all that.....I wish it were. Maybe I'm not using it correctly, because I play a VERY hit n' run style.

You see, AxiomOfChoice, I play to win dollars. I'm at the table for nothing else....just dollars. Strike rate, shmike shmate, all trumped by dollars.

And you could get a lot of dollars if you could show a 53% strike rate (which was, by the way, your claim) over any significant period of time. First, you'd win money from the casino. Second, lots of people would bet that you couldn't do it, so you would win all the side bets on top of the money that you'd win for the casino. Why be happy with your tiny win goal? You can win so much more...

Also, why hit and run? Why not stick around for the next shoe and beat that one too? And the next one, and the next one, and the next one after that? Winning players don't hit and run... they sit there and keep winning and winning and winning. Win goals are for people who are scared to lose it back, because they know that they are playing a losing game, and only won because they got lucky.

Let me be very clear here: Someone could observe you bet on 1000 non-tied (as in, if the result of the hand is a tie, it won't count towards the total) hands of baccarat from an 8-deck shoe in a real casino that has reasonable game-protection procedures (eg, procedures that prevent edge-sorting). If you win 530 or more of those 1000 bets, you would win the side-bet. If you win 529 or less, you lose the side-bet.

Personally, I would gladly put up $10,000 against you in this side-bet, provided that I could observe the play, or someone who I trusted could, and that the money was held by a trusted third party. I'm sure that others would also be willing to bet on this. I'd suspect that you could easily get $100,000 in total action if you wished. And, of course, that $100,000 would be in addition to whatever you happened to win at the tables. I know full well that this will never happen, because you are well aware that your claimed 53% strike rate is nonsense. At least, this should put aside this "nothing to gain" theory. You have a lot to gain!

(Note to interested observers: if he bets on banker every time, he has about a 7.6% chance of winning. If he mixes his bets between player and banker, his chances of winning are less)

Quote: gr8player

And I play with high enough units to make my conservatism all the more worthwhile. BTW, that's very important. While you never want to find yourself over-betting and out of your own personal comfort zone, you do need to make your play "worth your while", lest it relegates itself as unimportant, or secondary. And you never want to get to the point where your results are secondary, because that's where the "action" takes over, and you never want to get caught "playing just for the excitement of playing".

Really? You had everybody believing you bet $400 per hand on one web site, then you posted this;

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For the last time, I do NOT bet $400 per hand. IF you must know, my initial unit size is $100, and I employ parlays (or partial parlays) that will see me bet to $200 or even $250. Now, occassionally, when my variance is showing stats that deem it necessary, I will raise my intial unit size to $200, and then my parlays will have me betting as high as $400, or even $500. But those occassions, Thank Goodness, are rare, indeed.

I distinctly recall you posting a trip report elsewhere, you dropped 8 units on a Friday, another 10 units on the Sat, so that would be -$3600 thus far and then you still went back for more, what a great playa you really are http://tinyurl.com/nnw68wg . You have come along way from once being scared of a 1-2-3 progression instead preferring a 1-1-3 wouldn't have though the cost of 1 unit would bother any black chip playa.

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anyone that's been following my posts over the years knows enough of me and my Bac theories and approaches and plays to know exactly what sort of player...heck, what sort of MAN I AM.

Probably best not answered, unfortunately that is glaringly obvious to everybody except the 'commissioned salesman'.

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(Sidenote: And should anyone be interested in performing any searches for my posts, my username is "gr8player" in every forum I've ever attended. Easy enough......)

All you will find is more contradictions plus it gets a lot worst than what you will find here, except during those moments when he really does think everybody is his friend and freely admits to losing 250k and more than he would care to remember playing Baccarat. I reckon he is a very lonely guy, not taken seriously by his family, friends or peers and harbours deep rooted urges of recognition and appreciation from any quarter, therapy could be useful outlet.

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Say WHAT???!!!

My darling wife and I are now, and have been for going on 29 years, very happily married. And we're Blessed with two wonderful children.

So, no, there's no truth in your assertion, Johno/Carlo/Sting/Egalite/RolexWatch. Low blow, my friend, our history notwithstanding.

Not really when you consider I read it on another gambling forum, posted by somebody you admire (another friend of yours).

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

And you could get a lot of dollars if you could show a 53% strike rate (which was, by the way, your claim) over any significant period of time. First, you'd win money from the casino. Second, lots of people would bet that you couldn't do it, so you would win all the side bets on top of the money that you'd win for the casino. Why be happy with your tiny win goal? You can win so much more...

Also, why hit and run? Why not stick around for the next shoe and beat that one too? And the next one, and the next one, and the next one after that? Winning players don't hit and run... they sit there and keep winning and winning and winning. Win goals are for people who are scared to lose it back, because they know that they are playing a losing game, and only won because they got lucky.

Let me be very clear here: Someone could observe you bet on 1000 non-tied (as in, if the result of the hand is a tie, it won't count towards the total) hands of baccarat from an 8-deck shoe in a real casino that has reasonable game-protection procedures (eg, procedures that prevent edge-sorting). If you win 530 or more of those 1000 bets, you would win the side-bet. If you win 529 or less, you lose the side-bet.

Personally, I would gladly put up $10,000 against you in this side-bet, provided that I could observe the play, or someone who I trusted could, and that the money was held by a trusted third party. I'm sure that others would also be willing to bet on this. I'd suspect that you could easily get $100,000 in total action if you wished. And, of course, that $100,000 would be in addition to whatever you happened to win at the tables. I know full well that this will never happen, because you are well aware that your claimed 53% strike rate is nonsense. At least, this should put aside this "nothing to gain" theory. You have a lot to gain!
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Actually that is not a to shabby offer, just think of those deary trips to AC, paying for care hire, insurance, gas and tolls, making 2.4 units after tips, you could nearly half the 250k you dropped, wiped clean after approx 20 shoes (5 shoes per day, 20 hands per shoe). It would be well worth dragging yourself away from your commissioned sales job and staying in AC for, I sometimes bet over 1000 hands in a single session, so you could do it inside a few days. $100,000 GR8, given all you have lost, you should be well up for it.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

And you could get a lot of dollars if you could show a 53% strike rate (which was, by the way, your claim) over any significant period of time. First, you'd win money from the casino. Second, lots of people would bet that you couldn't do it, so you would win all the side bets on top of the money that you'd win for the casino. Why be happy with your tiny win goal? You can win so much more...

Let me be very clear here: Someone could observe you bet on 1000 non-tied (as in, if the result of the hand is a tie, it won't count towards the total) hands of baccarat from an 8-deck shoe in a real casino that has reasonable game-protection procedures (eg, procedures that prevent edge-sorting). If you win 530 or more of those 1000 bets, you would win the side-bet. If you win 529 or less, you lose the side-bet.

Personally, I would gladly put up $10,000 against you in this side-bet, provided that I could observe the play, or someone who I trusted could, and that the money was held by a trusted third party. I'm sure that others would also be willing to bet on this. I'd suspect that you could easily get $100,000 in total action if you wished. And, of course, that $100,000 would be in addition to whatever you happened to win at the tables. I know full well that this will never happen, because you are well aware that your claimed 53% strike rate is nonsense. At least, this should put aside this "nothing to gain" theory. You have a lot to gain!

Frankly, AxiomOfChoice, I'm a bit shocked at your audacity.

Let's see; I put up $10,000 against yours, and I win only if my strike rate is 53% or above, and you win if my strike rate is 52.99% or less. So basically I'd be accepting even-money on a bet that carries odds nowhere near even-money.

Tell me, AxiomOfChoice, wouldn't it behoove me to seek out a true 50/50 bet for my $10,000?

I'd sooner expect someone the likes of Johno/Carlo/Sting/Egalite/RolexWatch to suggest such an egregious offer(oh, and I see he has)....

Make no mistake of it, AxoimOfChoice, I am nobody's fool.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Also, why hit and run? Why not stick around for the next shoe and beat that one too? And the next one, and the next one, and the next one after that? Winning players don't hit and run... they sit there and keep winning and winning and winning. Win goals are for people who are scared to lose it back, because they know that they are playing a losing game, and only won because they got lucky.

Stated as a person that's never bet one real dollar at any casino-banked game.

I'm up against a house edge, and so I'm paid out at less than true odds on my winning bets. Exactly how long would you prefer I accept that proposition?

Or, alternatively, whenever I hit my preferred plays in my preferred section of the shoe, might I be smarter to lock up certain profits in order to guarantee a preferable outcome for this shoe/session/table?

I might continue playing, I just cannot lose.

Ever play like that, AxiomOfChoice?

Quote: gr8player

Frankly, AxiomOfChoice, I'm a bit shocked at your audacity.

Let's see; I put up $10,000 against yours, and I win only if my strike rate is 53% or above, and you win if my strike rate is 52.99% or less. So basically I'd be accepting even-money on a bet that carries odds nowhere near even-money.

You were the one who claimed that your strike rate was 53%. If you are more than 50% sure of this claim, it's a good bet for you!

Are you now claiming that you are less than 50% sure that your strike rate is 53%? Wouldn't that mean that you (gasp) lied???

I'm shocked; really, I am. With all your talk and bravado, you are unwilling to back up your claims (remember, the 53% strike rate was your claim) with your money.

At least the supposed dice-controllers had the balls to bet that they could do what they claimed that they could do (and they won the bet, too!)

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Tell me, AxiomOfChoice, wouldn't it behoove me to seek out a true 50/50 bet for my $10,000?

If your previous claim was correct, then this is better than a 50/50 bet for you.

Your response just reinforces what I've always known to be true. Not only are you a losing player, but you know that you are a losing player. You know that your claimed 53% strike rate is utter nonsense; if you felt that it was true, you'd jump at this bet.

Quote: gr8player

Stated as a person that's never bet one real dollar at any casino-banked game.

I can assure you that I've bet many, many real dollars at casino-banked games, both with and without the edge.

Quote: gr8player

Or, alternatively, whenever I hit my preferred plays in my preferred section of the shoe, might I be smarter to lock up certain profits in order to guarantee a preferable outcome for this shoe/session/table?

Please explain to me how you are "locking up profits" if you will return to play another day. Is playing today for 2 hours and different from playing an hour today and an hour tomorrow?

You are not locking up anything if you are planning to come back.

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Ever play like that, AxiomOfChoice?

Nope. But then I passed my high school math courses. I have left games for a variety of reasons, but "locking up a win" was never one of them.

gr8, would a bet involving a max bankroll and monetary win goal be preferable?

Walter Mitty caught in the headlights yet again.

Best sticking to trying to flog some cushions to go with the settee, oops my bad I forgot, according to this web site you hold a senior management position on call 24/7. Heck, who knows what to believe.

Quote: endermike

gr8, would a bet involving a max bankroll and monetary win goal be preferable?

Of course it would, endermike; you know that and I know that and AxiomOfChoice knows that as well.

That said, my friend, no one's about to propose a bet that will, undoubtedly, play into one of my strengths.