Best system?
besides live poker or blackjack or sports betting which game would he pick and how would he bet his system?
i know he wont reply to this question but you just might!
i know tis not flat bet since can only get ahead 2 maybe 3 standard deviants so how about wizard?
10,000 is a lot of units to double quickly.
and it cant be online , i know windcreek is offering 400$ for 400$ and philly is doing 250$
but yea only offline casinos! i don't want him to do online sign ups and crap even tho im sure that river has dried up but not entirely sure on it!
so yea offline only Wizard
almost forgot too no multi carding! dont want him to muster up 10k friends and pull it off
so basically he needs to beat the game out-right as eliot jacobson would say
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so basically he needs to beat the game out-right as eliot jacobson would say
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He doesnt need to beat the game. Probability of success close to 50% just making a few big bets on Blackjack or roulette.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/8/#post1370
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so basically he needs to beat the game out-right as eliot jacobson would say
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He doesnt need to beat the game. Probability of success close to 50% just making a few big bets on Blackjack or roulette.
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/oncedear/blog/8/#post1370
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OP excluded BJ, You and I both know he would be in quick consultation with the King of roulette.
wouldnt it be better/safer to grind out 10k? or not?
Quote: TigerWu$10,000 all on Banker in Baccarat. One of the best house edges, and doing it all in one bet won't allow the house edge to grind away at you. Just get it over with.
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Are you willing to play a negative ev game with your life? i'd play a penny slot one cent at a time.
Winning $10,000 won't change my life; dying will. Seems like the smart play is to slow-roll it.
Quote: cmMitchelloh he can bet 10k on 1 turn but if he loses then his fate is sealed...
wouldnt it be better/safer to grind out 10k? or not?
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If there's a gun to my head I would just rather get it over with, good or bad.
Quote: billryanQuote: TigerWu$10,000 all on Banker in Baccarat. One of the best house edges, and doing it all in one bet won't allow the house edge to grind away at you. Just get it over with.
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Are you willing to play a negative ev game with your life? i'd play a penny slot one cent at a time.
Winning $10,000 won't change my life; dying will. Seems like the smart play is to slow-roll it.
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What makes that the "smart play," though? Hoping you'll get lucky and hit a few penny jackpots? Otherwise you're just glued to a slot machine for the last hours of your life, almost guaranteed to lose.
he certainly could put in a 50/50 shot bacc game, however not sure if thats wise letting 1 turn decide his fate (or is it?)
i am re-considering if he does fail i will allocate the wizard unlimited bankroll and remove the table limits.
with that i believe any betting system is winning (as long as he doubles up)
im suspecting the wizard would gear towards the oscards grind maybe just maybe a roulette trend straight up number
but only the whiz knows the standard devations of ones 10k roll can peak in these carny games..
Quote: TigerWuQuote: billryanQuote: TigerWu$10,000 all on Banker in Baccarat. One of the best house edges, and doing it all in one bet won't allow the house edge to grind away at you. Just get it over with.
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Are you willing to play a negative ev game with your life? i'd play a penny slot one cent at a time.
Winning $10,000 won't change my life; dying will. Seems like the smart play is to slow-roll it.
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What makes that the "smart play," though? Hoping you'll get lucky and hit a few penny jackpots? Otherwise you're just glued to a slot machine for the last hours of your life, almost guaranteed to lose.
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I lose when I go broke. I'll live for a million spins if I don't hit anything. Chances are I'll get close to a hundred million spins. Sometimes you play to win, and sometimes, you play not to lose.
I say Craps.
Passline $100. Make certain to find a 100× odds table. He can decide if the odds are good (for example maybe he doesn't take odds except if the point is 6 and 8. Then takes full odds for 100x. Mathematically the bulk of the bet is the best odds possible with zero EV for the house.
EDIT: Actually he probably would play the don't pass and lay full odds against 4 or 8 so he has the greater free odds of the 7 working for him.
Quote: ChumpChange10,000 units of $100 is a million dollars, and all he has to do is to double up in a year before the water bill is due and he has to move. Most casinos won't let you cash out more than $50K in a day without banning you unless you're a whale and the Wizard never plays those stakes anyway, so put your gun away and find another mark, but not me.
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The OP said bankroll of 10k units. So a unit could be $1 and he has to double $10,000. So betting $100 at Craps is feasible.
If the OP meant 10K units with a unit being $100 then I agree.
Quote: darkozThe OP said bankroll of 10k units. So a unit could be $1 and he has to double $10,000. So betting $100 at Craps is feasible.
If the OP meant 10K units with a unit being $100 then I agree.
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I missed the "units." I thought it was just $10,000.
In that case my "units" would be $1,000 chips. That totals $10,000,000. I would take that to a casino, play Baccarat, and absolutely milk them for every comp imaginable. Get a rebate on losses, get freeplay chips, free gift cards, even steal the towels from the penthouse. After loss rebates and selling everything I can, I might be able to hit $20,000,000. If that doesn't work, then at least I got to go out with a bang.
or could be 10k$ cash
i am giving the whiz 10k units to play with yet if he loses all he lose his life
if he doubles he wins his life
what is the best method to double the 10k roll? would virtual bets help at all? would an oscars grind be the answer? would betting it all on 1 turn of the cards?
maybe 3 arrows shots may be better than anything else?
again only the wizard knows for certain.
Quote: cmMitchell10kunits could be anything, they do have 0.25 denom at craps game as i watch eatsleepgamble channel
or could be 10k$ cash
i am giving the whiz 10k units to play with yet if he loses all he lose his life
if he doubles he wins his life
what is the best method to double the 10k roll? would virtual bets help at all? would an oscars grind be the answer? would betting it all on 1 turn of the cards?
maybe 3 arrows shots may be better than anything else?
again only the wizard knows for certain.
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Well, the best method for winning is probably notifying security that the guy next to you is concealing a gun and hoping you win your life by being saved :))
so maybe just maybe he gets to keep his life and the cash...
i strongly believe the wizard would use a system if forced to play a carny game and had no other option
but which system is the question...
But if you want to check out some games to play on the website there's this link: https://wizardofvegas.com/games/
but why?
imnot CM mitchhel but i do like how the sheep flock to him and give him there hard earn cash for a few videos of casino fiction.fantasy
i wish i had the talent to give speeches and say this and say that that maybe fake and yet receive cold hard cash for doin it
even if 10 heads gives him 500$ a pop thats 5k a year for a few stupid videos agian only he knows what he makes off this racket
Mind you, the mods should be dialing the Wizard looking for his whereabouts or dialing 911 if they can't find him, and if the mods do find him, they should nuke the OP.
Quote: cmMitchelloh he can bet 10k on 1 turn but if he loses then his fate is sealed...
wouldnt it be better/safer to grind out 10k? or not?
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No - all at once is the move. The more you grind, the more money you expose to the house edge.
The only problem with betting bank in baccarat is, the 5% commission - either you have to pad the bankroll, or you don't double it with a win.
You have nearly a 50% chance of going up $10,000 if you make one bet for $10,000. However, if you make 10,000 bets for $1, you have a 90% chance of logging a loss and essentially a zero chance of ending up over $400.
House edge increases linearly with number of bets while standard deviation increases by the square root of them. Therefore, making more bets reduces the standard deviation relative to bets made, making it more likely you’ll be close to expectations, which is a loss
Bottom line. High standard deviation is beneficial if your goal is biggest possible gain OR loss
Quote: Ace2If you make one bet for $10,000 or 10,000 bets for $1, you expose the same amount of money to the house edge. For simplicity, assume you bet player and ignore ties.
You have nearly a 50% chance of going up $10,000 if you make one bet for $10,000. However, if you make 10,000 bets for $1, you have a 90% chance of logging a loss and essentially a zero chance of ending up over $400.
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True, but remember that the original post mandated that the $10,000 be doubled, under penalty of death. That changes the conditions under which you are betting considerably.
Or is that outside the scope of this game?
Just gambling.
I assume he is asking what game and betting systems would give you the best chance to double your money.
If you start to add in no restrictions no limits and factor in everything with an advantage, it's impossible to answer since there's so many variables and various +EV opportunities out there(many unknown to most).
Quote: AxelWolfI assume the OP.is talking about standard casino games without any AP knowledge or understanding.
Just gambling.
I assume he is asking what game and betting systems would give you the best chance to double your money.
If you start to add in no restrictions no limits and factor in everything with an advantage, it's impossible to answer since there's so many variables and various +EV opportunities out there(many unknown to most).
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The OP said no BJ and no multicarding but nothing about vulturing so yeah with time that would be the most guaranteed method to double your money.
It's the Fibonacci and after over 50 hands he's only up 6 units. But he found a bug in the software that gave him an extra unit. Not sure how he's gonna get past level 6 with the table limits posted but I like his bankroll.
Quote: ChumpChangeHere's an appetizer I'm not impressed with.
It's the Fibonacci and after over 50 hands he's only up 6 units. But he found a bug in the software that gave him an extra unit. Not sure how he's gonna get past level 6 with the table limits posted but I like his bankroll.
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The Fibonacci flaw is that you have to win 2x in a row back to back to make your profit. So LLLLLLWLWLWLL is three wins and you still haven't made a profit. It throws the whole notion that you have to win sometime out the window.
I'd definitely want a 100% guaranteed system. I would give 100K units to a friend. They would play River Dragons until the meters were $492 minor or $4990 major. I would hit the jackpots and give the game back to my friend. Repeat as necessary until I have doubled up my 10K units. My friend gets to keep whatever is left over for saving my life.Quote: cmMitchellsuppose the wizard had a gun to his/her head and the person holding the gun said if you do not double bankroll of 10k units you die,
besides live poker or blackjack or sports betting which game would he pick and how would he bet his system?
i know he wont reply to this question but you just might!
i know tis not flat bet since can only get ahead 2 maybe 3 standard deviants so how about wizard?
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This is similar to chip dumping at poker, but live poker is not allowed in the OP.
Quote: cmMitchelloh he can bet 10k on 1 turn but if he loses then his fate is sealed...
wouldnt it be better/safer to grind out 10k? or not?
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Absolutely not
Quote: ThatDonGuyThe only problem with betting bank in baccarat is, the 5% commission - either you have to pad the bankroll, or you don't double it with a win.
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Just play at a table where they do a running total of commission instead of taking it out every hand.
Bet banker, win, and you've doubled your bankroll. You only have to pay commission when you leave the table or at the end of a shoe, so you've satisfied the conditions of the challenge before having to pay commission.
Quote: TigerWu$10,000 all on Banker in Baccarat.
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You would still come up $500 short if you won the hand.
There's a 5% commission on all Banker wins.
Best chance is to split the bankroll into twenty units and count a single-deck Blackjack game with liberal rules. Then only bet any time the true count is +3 or higher, for a 1% edge or higher over the house.
Quote: TankoQuote: TigerWu$10,000 all on Banker in Baccarat.
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You would still come up $500 short if you won the hand.
There's a 5% commission on all Banker wins.
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See my above post re: commission.
Even disregarding that, there's no rule in the challenge (or in Baccarat for that matter) that says you have to pay commission from your winnings. You could bring extra money to the table to pay the commission.
Quote: TankoBest chance is to split the bankroll into twenty units and count a single-deck Blackjack game with liberal rules. Then only bet any time the true count is +3 or higher, for a 1% edge or higher over the house.
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Blackjack is against the rules of the OP.
The OP is really a math question about maximizing double-up probability in a live casino setting excluding certain games. However, we cannot find the best betting system to maximize double-up probability without knowing what the unit is or what the max allowed bet is in terms of units. Aggressive betting systems can improve the double-up probability, but the exact optimum system depends on the exact PDF.Quote: OPbesides live poker or blackjack or sports betting which game would he pick and how would he bet his system?
OP does not specifically say whether casino cashback and bonuses are included in the bankroll calculation. I could also double my bankroll by taking out a marker.
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Even disregarding that, there's no rule in the challenge (or in Baccarat for that matter) that says you have to pay commission from your winnings
just curious if you don't mind my asking
I remember playing bacc or maybe it was mini bacc when I wanted to just take a break and goof off with no edge
I remember at some tables on a winning banker bet the dealer paid out just 95%__________no choice was offered to get a 1/1 payout and then later pay it back
is that kind of payout procedure still out there_________?________thanks
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: ThatDonGuyThe only problem with betting bank in baccarat is, the 5% commission - either you have to pad the bankroll, or you don't double it with a win.
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Just play at a table where they do a running total of commission instead of taking it out every hand.
Bet banker, win, and you've doubled your bankroll. You only have to pay commission when you leave the table or at the end of a shoe, so you've satisfied the conditions of the challenge before having to pay commission.
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If that’s allowed then Banker is +EV and you could Kelly your way to a double up (excluding commission) with no risk of ruin.
Quote: lilredroosterjust curious if you don't mind my asking
I remember playing bacc or maybe it was mini bacc when I wanted to just take a break and goof off with no edge
I remember at some tables on a winning banker bet the dealer paid out just 95%__________no choice was offered to get a 1/1 payout and then later pay it back
is that kind of payout procedure still out there_________?________thanks
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I think so.... depends on the casino, I think, and the version of baccarat.
I usually play at high limit tables, and at least in every high limit room I've been in the baccarat is 1:1 payout with commission having a running tally.
