EvenBob

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
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I don't know.... I think we need to keep this thread bumped as a reminder to system peddlers that they will be roundly mocked if they try to push any of that BS here.

Maybe. But EB's method is something else.

Quote:

I was also kind of hoping this nonsense would get to page 200, but I guess EB has stopped caring about his unbeatable Roulette system.

That is part of the nature and raison d'etre of the method.

Quote:

Maybe the losses are starting to pile up.....
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It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 22 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
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I think I summed it up a few times in various posts. As I said, he was free-rolling.

First, get a DND agreement from Mike. If things are looking good, continue, and void your own DND. Have Mike reveal the results, and then claim victory. If things are going bad just sabotage the challenge and keep your DND agreement intact.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
link to original post

I don't know.... I think we need to keep this thread bumped as a reminder to system peddlers that they will be roundly mocked if they try to push any of that BS here.

Maybe. But EB's method is something else.

Quote:

I was also kind of hoping this nonsense would get to page 200, but I guess EB has stopped caring about his unbeatable Roulette system.

That is part of the nature and raison d'etre of the method.

Quote:

Maybe the losses are starting to pile up.....
link to original post

It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 22 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
link to original post

I think I summed it up a few times in various posts. As I said, he was free-rolling.

First, get DND from Mike. If things are looking good, continue, void your own DND. Have Mike reveal the results, and then claim victory. If things are going bad just sabotage the challenge and keep your DND agreement intact.
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DND?

Dungeon and Dragons?

Down and Dirty?

Don't ask Don't Tell?

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
link to original post

I don't know.... I think we need to keep this thread bumped as a reminder to system peddlers that they will be roundly mocked if they try to push any of that BS here.

Maybe. But EB's method is something else.

Quote:

I was also kind of hoping this nonsense would get to page 200, but I guess EB has stopped caring about his unbeatable Roulette system.

That is part of the nature and raison d'etre of the method.

Quote:

Maybe the losses are starting to pile up.....
link to original post

It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 22 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
link to original post

I think I summed it up a few times in various posts. As I said, he was free-rolling.

First, get DND from Mike. If things are looking good, continue, void your own DND. Have Mike reveal the results, and then claim victory. If things are going bad just sabotage the challenge and keep your DND agreement intact.
link to original post

DND?

Dungeon and Dragons?

Down and Dirty?

Don't ask Don't Tell?
link to original post

Serious question, or just asking for a friend? Just in case, Do Not Disclose.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 22 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
link to original post

I think I summed it up a few times in various posts. As I said, he was free-rolling.

First, get DND from Mike. If things are looking good, continue, void your own DND and have Mike reveal the results, and then claim victory. If things are going bad just sabotage the challenge and keep your DND agreement intact.
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AW,
You still don't seem to quite understand the Method.
Freeroll with Wizard was an incidental but tiny chance of showing roulette success. But that was the ultimate long shot.
In truth, that the challenge wasted Wizard's time was the ultimate ROI for EB.
His Method IS successful, in that it achieves its ends nicely. It's ZERO to do with Roulette.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 22 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
link to original post

I think I summed it up a few times in various posts. As I said, he was free-rolling.

First, get DND from Mike. If things are looking good, continue, void your own DND and have Mike reveal the results, and then claim victory. If things are going bad just sabotage the challenge and keep your DND agreement intact.
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AW,
You still don't seem to quite understand the Method.
Freeroll with Wizard was an incidental but tiny chance of showing roulette success. But that was the ultimate long shot.
In truth, that the challenge wasted Wizard's time was the ultimate ROI for EB.
His Method IS successful, in that it achieves its ends nicely. It's ZERO to do with Roulette.
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We have no clue what his chances of success were. Remember, he conveniently lowered our 80% hit rate expectations by claiming he was going to alter his strategy just for this challenge, some BS to make it get done faster. IIRC he was even talking about some 55% nonsense with me.

I'd much rather see fewer picks at an 80% hit rate, 15-20 over a month or two, than 60% over more picks.

Edit to add, I think even Bob knows claiming an 80% hit rate is, well, that special word we can't use anymore.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

AW,
You still don't seem to quite understand the Method....
His Method IS successful, in that it achieves its ends nicely. It's ZERO to do with Roulette.
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We have no clue what his chances of success were. Remember, he conveniently lowered our 80% hit rate expectations by claiming he was going to alter his strategy just for this challenge, some BS to make it get done faster. IIRC he was even talking about some 55% nonsense with me.

I'd much rather see fewer picks at an 80% hit rate, 15-20 over a month or two, than 60% over more picks.

Edit to add, I think even Bob knows claiming an 80% hit rate is, well, that special word we can't use anymore.
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Still Not getting it AW. I thought I'd explained it to you, privately? This thread is not about Roulette. The reason for the thread is nothing to do with roulette. The Method is nothing to do with roulette. the Method achieves its goal and its nothing to do with making money.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
link to original post

I don't know.... I think we need to keep this thread bumped as a reminder to system peddlers that they will be roundly mocked if they try to push any of that BS here.

Maybe. But EB's method is something else.

Quote:

I was also kind of hoping this nonsense would get to page 200, but I guess EB has stopped caring about his unbeatable Roulette system.

That is part of the nature and raison d'etre of the method.

Quote:

Maybe the losses are starting to pile up.....
link to original post

It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 22 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
link to original post

I think I summed it up a few times in various posts. As I said, he was free-rolling.

First, get DND from Mike. If things are looking good, continue, void your own DND. Have Mike reveal the results, and then claim victory. If things are going bad just sabotage the challenge and keep your DND agreement intact.
link to original post

DND?

Dungeon and Dragons?

Down and Dirty?

Don't ask Don't Tell?
link to original post

Serious question, or just asking for a friend? Just in case, Do Not Disclose.
link to original post

Ah, I see.

In my professional circles we call that an NDA.

Quote: OnceDear

Still Not getting it AW. I thought I'd explained it to you, privately? This thread is not about Roulette. The reason for the thread is nothing to do with roulette. The Method is nothing to do with roulette. the Method achieves its goal and its nothing to do with making money.
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I don't know who first pointed it out, but it was determined ages ago that this was just a massive troll thread as is evidenced by the fact that EB has proven absolutely nothing in 150 pages and often makes contradictory posts.

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Still Not getting it AW. I thought I'd explained it to you, privately? This thread is not about Roulette. The reason for the thread is nothing to do with roulette. The Method is nothing to do with roulette. the Method achieves its goal and its nothing to do with making money.
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I don't know who first pointed it out, but it was determined ages ago that this was just a massive troll thread as is evidenced by the fact that EB has proven absolutely nothing in 150 pages and often makes contradictory posts.
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Ohhh we don't say trolling. Mischief takes many guises, as does trolling.
It did, and is doing, what EvenBob intended. How many hours of human endeavour and mental energy have been wasted on this thread. Hours that none of us could get back, including Wizard who's wasted his precious time engaging in the so called challenge.
If a few idiots have become EB apprentices and took their money to the casino to lose, that would be the icing on the cake to someone who watches and enjoys his mischief. "It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail."
or is it "It's not enough to fail, get solace from getting others to fail more."

Quote: OnceDear

Ohhh we don't say trolling. Mischief takes many guises, as does trolling.
It did, and is doing, what EvenBob intended. How many hours of human endeavour and mental energy have been wasted on this thread.
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I would be wasting this time anyway so if that was EB's goal it wasn't very successful.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Still Not getting it AW. I thought I'd explained it to you, privately? This thread is not about Roulette. The reason for the thread is nothing to do with roulette. The Method is nothing to do with roulette. the Method achieves its goal and its nothing to do with making money.
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I don't know who first pointed it out, but it was determined ages ago that this was just a massive troll thread as is evidenced by the fact that EB has proven absolutely nothing in 150 pages and often makes contradictory posts.
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Ohhh we don't say trolling. Mischief takes many guises, as does trolling.
It did, and is doing, what EvenBob intended. How many hours of human endeavour and mental energy have been wasted on this thread. Hours that none of us could get back, including Wizard who's wasted his precious time engaging in the so called challenge.
If a few idiots have become EB apprentices and took their money to the casino to lose, that would be the icing on the cake to someone who watches and enjoys his mischief. "It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail."
or is it "It's not enough to fail, get solace from getting others to fail more."
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In many ways I agree.

OTOH, the entertainment value of us laughing at EB is not entirely a waste. It was a great comedy show.

Apparently EB does the Dave Chappelle thing and just walks away practically unannounced.

That in itself is hilarious.

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Still Not getting it AW. I thought I'd explained it to you, privately? This thread is not about Roulette. The reason for the thread is nothing to do with roulette. The Method is nothing to do with roulette. the Method achieves its goal and its nothing to do with making money.
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I don't know who first pointed it out, but it was determined ages ago that this was just a massive troll thread as is evidenced by the fact that EB has proven absolutely nothing in 150 pages and often makes contradictory posts.
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That was me! I’ll look back and re quote that post!

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: OnceDear

I know EvenBob calls it a 'method' rather than a 'system', but we don't have a 'Betting Method's' subforum.
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Thanks for backing off and saying that you were not only not going to read this thread but you were not going to
moderate it. Good job of keeping your word.
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I distinguish Administrating (e.g. renaming threads) from Moderating (E.g. Suspending trolls)
As to reading the thread: It didn't take much effort to confirm that the thread was mis-named and in the wrong sub-forum.
If you think I didn't keep my word, compare and contrast to the guy that said Buh Bye
Have fun in your thread. If you want minor tweaks to it's name or anything else, PM me.... Or a moderator of your choosing.
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I agree with EvenBob. You posted in this thread and expressed animosity towards EvenBob and said that you were not going to read this thread and certainly not going to moderate it. I then announced that I would read this thread and moderate it, and Dieter has also been reading it and moderating it. You have now gone rogue and placed the thread in a betting system thread where it does not belong without talking to me and apparently without talking to anyone else.

This forum is not a vehicle for you to exercise a campaign against people you have expressed animosity towards. I am publicly asking you to keep your hands off this thread, as you said you would.

And I am happy to accept a rebuke or suspension for criticizing a fellow administrator/moderator, which is an unwritten rule. Because that rule allows rogue moderators to be defiant and run amok.
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Yowza! I think you both should self suspend for 3 days. Then this thread can go ‘unmoderated’ or ‘unadministrated’ for those 3 days!

I really think OnceDear was in his rights to change his mind for the obvious good of the forum. The claims made here are actually MORE ridiculous than the 18 yo’s in a row claim.

In summary, the claim is…. ‘I have beaten online roulette across multiple platforms 100% of the time, and know I can repeat it in perpetuity..’.

And this is allowed? Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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This is my first post pointing out the entire thread is nothing more than Bob trolling the forum. More to come….

The fact that there was no confirmation of a challenge should be obvious that it was a ploy to draw out this thread (the fact that the Wizard will not confirm that the challenge was occurring makes it clear that the agreement was that it would not be posted until its conclusion, and/or only to be posted by EB). It's a brilliant way to say that there is a challenge ongoing, without any details and only one party being able to talk about it.

I am sure we will hear the results of the challenge the same day we hear the results of that roulette paper he paid an academic to study and verify......

Most likely the challenge was him trying to just have a lucky streak while being watched over a short period of time, so that he can say "The Wizard saw me win several days in a row" as opposed to just sending the Wizard his casino logs (since all play is online at legal casinos as claimed by him) and the Wizard could spend about 5 mins confirming that he was up X percent after so many years of play.... And, when there was not a lucky streak during the challenge, simple, just make some excuse to terminate the challenge (and hence terminate the other party -Wizard- from talking about it since it never concluded).

Its actually pretty brilliant from a personal PR perspective. What it gains other than some attention from an online forum though, who knows? (Maybe to encourage people to PM him about his method, just speculation).

This is obviously just my opinion, from what I have seen here and recall from this thread, but I am supremely confident in it.

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Wiggins

People need to stop arguing with this delusional man. We all know he is either lying to us or lying to himself (probably the latter). I get it, it's slightly infuriating to hear him boast about all his accomplishments and act like he is superior to everyone else. Just disengage and let the thread die. It's an embarrassment to this forum.
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Of course. There is NO WAY EB is doing the things he says he is doing. There is NO REASON to believe a single one of his roulette posts. NO REASON to believe he actually plays roulette. If he does, NO REASON to believe he wins his magic 80%. There is NO REASON to believe that he is doing ANYTHING OTHER than trolling the forum. He can of course post ANYTHING he wants. He just wasn’t savvy enough to post something that even approached believability. Tell us you win 51% of the time and we could have believed he was lucky.

Why would anyone even believe EB actually plays roulette for money? Given the ludicrous nature of his main claim, why would anyone believe ANY of his posts?

(I do believe he eats the food in his pictures)
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Took me over 60 pages of posts to state the obvious….

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
link to original post

I don't know.... I think we need to keep this thread bumped as a reminder to system peddlers that they will be roundly mocked if they try to push any of that BS here.

Maybe. But EB's method is something else.

Quote:

I was also kind of hoping this nonsense would get to page 200, but I guess EB has stopped caring about his unbeatable Roulette system.

That is part of the nature and raison d'etre of the method.

Quote:

Maybe the losses are starting to pile up.....
link to original post

It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 22 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
link to original post

I think I summed it up a few times in various posts. As I said, he was free-rolling.

First, get DND from Mike. If things are looking good, continue, void your own DND. Have Mike reveal the results, and then claim victory. If things are going bad just sabotage the challenge and keep your DND agreement intact.
link to original post

DND?

Dungeon and Dragons?

Down and Dirty?

Don't ask Don't Tell?
link to original post

Serious question, or just asking for a friend? Just in case, Do Not Disclose.
link to original post

Ah, I see.

In my professional circles we call that an NDA.
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I doubt they had anything that formal.

Quote: Gandler

What it gains other than some attention from an online forum though, who knows? (Maybe to encourage people to PM him about his method, just speculation). link to original post

Read his signature: Read his occupation in his profile. The clues are there.

Quote: Gandler

What it gains other than some attention from an online forum though, who knows?
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That's all he wants: attention. He hasn't been around in days for some reason, but it's clear from his obsessive posting that he doesn't have much going on in his life other than a few internet forums and spending time with his cats.

Who are we to deny conversation to a lonely, random internet stranger in his twilight years? We're doing him a favor!

Quote: SOOPOO

Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality. In any case, Evenbob is under no obligation to respond to the increasingly personal and mean-spirited statements that are being posted here.

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling.

Not anymore, at least.

Quote:

In any case, Evenbob is under no obligation to respond to the increasingly personal and mean-spirited statements that are being posted here.
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One reaps what one sows.

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality. In any case, Evenbob is under no obligation to respond to the increasingly personal and mean-spirited statements that are being posted here.
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I have a hunch that he's saving it up for #26k.
Should be spectacular.

Quote: EvenBob

Mutually agreed-upon statement about the Challenge from me and The Wizard.

"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

Feel free to make up any details that entertain you, because that's all you're getting for now. Whatever you come up with I can guarantee you it's not what's really happening.
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I get a lot of PM's asking for my version of what happened in the challenge and why I don't post about it. Per a confidentiality agreement, all I can say is that EvenBob and I agreed to the wording in the post above. I will not be providing any further details. If the challenge is resurrected, we'll make an announcement. Until then, I recommend moving on with your lives.

Quote: Dieter

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality. In any case, Evenbob is under no obligation to respond to the increasingly personal and mean-spirited statements that are being posted here.
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I have a hunch that he's saving it up for #26k.
Should be spectacular.
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Rude and mean spirited?
Is that the same as curmudgeonly?

He won't have blocked us.... Food and oxygen.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: Dieter

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: SOOPOO

Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality. In any case, Evenbob is under no obligation to respond to the increasingly personal and mean-spirited statements that are being posted here.
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I have a hunch that he's saving it up for #26k.
Should be spectacular.
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Rude and mean spirited?
Is that the same as curmudgeonly?

He won't have blocked us.... Food and oxygen.
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(sigh)

Madness takes its toll.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: EvenBob

Mutually agreed-upon statement about the Challenge from me and The Wizard.

"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

Feel free to make up any details that entertain you, because that's all you're getting for now. Whatever you come up with I can guarantee you it's not what's really happening.
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I get a lot of PM's asking for my version of what happened in the challenge and why I don't post about it. Per a confidentiality agreement, all I can say is that EvenBob and I agreed to the wording in the post above. I will not be providing any further details. If the challenge is resurrected, we'll make an announcement. Until then, I recommend moving on with your lives.
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I’ve said my peace. Like many other have echoed, there will be no meaningful challenge because EB had been just trolling the forum, which is now obvious to all. I’ll refrain from posting here unless new information is brought to light.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: EvenBob

Mutually agreed-upon statement about the Challenge from me and The Wizard.

"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

Feel free to make up any details that entertain you, because that's all you're getting for now. Whatever you come up with I can guarantee you it's not what's really happening.
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I get a lot of PM's asking for my version of what happened in the challenge and why I don't post about it. Per a confidentiality agreement, all I can say is that EvenBob and I agreed to the wording in the post above. I will not be providing any further details. If the challenge is resurrected, we'll make an announcement. Until then, I recommend moving on with your lives.
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Sounds like a formal NDA to me.

Axel, your thoughts?

Quote: SOOPOO

I’ve said my peace. Like many other have echoed, there will be no meaningful challenge because EB had been just trolling the forum, which is now obvious to all. I’ll refrain from posting here unless new information is brought to light.
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What a wicked accusation $:o) There's a time where an accusation of trolling would be punishable by a suspension.
We meanies should take a leaf out of Gordon's book and believe and embrace EvenBob's totally non mischievous, sincere and honest contributions. Some of us just don't have Gordon's 20:20 vision.

Looking forward to Post #26,000. It'll be a doozy. I wonder what bait he'll use? A new thread?

Quote: Wizard

I get a lot of PM's asking for my version of what happened in the challenge and why I don't post about it. Per a confidentiality agreement, all I can say is that EvenBob and I agreed to the wording in the post above. I will not be providing any further details. If the challenge is resurrected, we'll make an announcement. Until then, I recommend moving on with your lives.
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Before the 'confidentiality agreement' Wizard was in a position to support the premise that EvenBob's claimed prowess was... Shall we say 'unsupportable'. And now EvenBob has him muted from this thread.

Nice work, EvenBob! Looks like a win.
Unless Wizard has cut a deal with EvenBob to STHU. That might explain EB's silence.

Quote: OnceDear

That might explain EB's silence.
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Maybe he's been super busy working on his 26,000th post!!

I hope it's a Baccarat system this time!

Or more of his expertise on how to stalk pick up women....

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

That might explain EB's silence.
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Maybe he's been super busy working on his 26,000th post!!

I hope it's a Baccarat system this time!

Or more of his expertise on how to stalk pick up women....
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He's a tough act to follow.
Encore!
Encore!

Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear

That might explain EB's silence.
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Maybe he's been super busy working on his 26,000th post!!

I hope it's a Baccarat system this time!

Or more of his expertise on how to stalk pick up women....
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Systems are for losers. Real men( winners all) find methods that work.

Quote: Wizard

... If the challenge is resurrected, we'll make an announcement. Until then, I recommend moving on with your lives.
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But, this thread was my whole life.

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: Wizard

I get a lot of PM's asking for my version of what happened in the challenge and why I don't post about it. Per a confidentiality agreement, all I can say is that EvenBob and I agreed to the wording in the post above. I will not be providing any further details. If the challenge is resurrected, we'll make an announcement. Until then, I recommend moving on with your lives.
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Before the 'confidentiality agreement' Wizard was in a position to support the premise that EvenBob's claimed prowess was... Shall we say 'unsupportable'. And now EvenBob has him muted from this thread.

Nice work, EvenBob! Looks like a win.
Unless Wizard has cut a deal with EvenBob to STHU. That might explain EB's silence.
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I think this may be closer to the truth.

Certainly any formal NDA would insist both parties keep quiet. Not one signee can't talk and the other gets to blab.

It's been a court tactic to show that when one side began talking about something publicly that freed the other participant to speak.

If true then in a weird way Wizard nixed EB from commenting here.

And perhaps that's all he really wanted.

Quote: darkoz

Quote: OnceDear

Before the 'confidentiality agreement' Wizard was in a position to support the premise that EvenBob's claimed prowess was... Shall we say 'unsupportable'. And now EvenBob has him muted from this thread.

Nice work, EvenBob! Looks like a win.
Unless Wizard has cut a deal with EvenBob to STHU. That might explain EB's silence.
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If true then in a weird way Wizard nixed EB from commenting here.

And perhaps that's all he really wanted.
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And EB nixed Wizard from calling him out.?

In the absence of any moderator intention to close down this train wreck of a thread, We should all do our part to starve it.
Something along the lines of "Don't feed the ..."

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Before the 'confidentiality agreement' Wizard was in a position to support the premise that EvenBob's claimed prowess was... Shall we say 'unsupportable'. And now EvenBob has him muted from this thread.

Nice work, EvenBob! Looks like a win.
Unless Wizard has cut a deal with EvenBob to STHU. That might explain EB's silence.
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If true then in a weird way Wizard nixed EB from commenting here.

And perhaps that's all he really wanted.
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{Edited quote for brevity}

And EB nixed Wizard from calling him out.?

In the absence of any moderator intention to close down this train wreck of a thread, We should all do our part to starve it.
Something along the lines of "Don't feed the ..."
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The Wizard has pretty much confirmed that by mentioning a confidentiality agreement between them.

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Mutually agreed-upon statement about the Challenge from me and The Wizard.

"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

Feel free to make up any details that entertain you, because that's all you're getting for now. Whatever you come up with I can guarantee you it's not what's really happening.
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I get a lot of PM's asking for my version of what happened in the challenge and why I don't post about it. Per a confidentiality agreement, all I can say is that EvenBob and I agreed to the wording in the post above. I will not be providing any further details. If the challenge is resurrected, we'll make an announcement. Until then, I recommend moving on with your lives.
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Sounds like a formal NDA to me.

Axel, your thoughts?
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You can call it what you want(I know I will... DND) I don't know the actual laws regarding a gentleman's agreement via PM and if that rises to the level of an NDA.

My thoughts on the rest of this. Mike allowed Evenbob to free-roll everyone.

BOB WAS OBVIOUSLY FAILING AND BOB OBVIOUSLY CAN'T BEAT ROULETTE.


CASE CLOSED.

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The Wizard has pretty much confirmed that by mentioning a confidentiality agreement between them.
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EB may say whatever he wants. It won't bother me.

Turkey thread just in time for Thanksgiving.

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The OED’s first example is from the American magazine Vanity Fair in 1927: “ ‘A turkey’ is a third rate production.”
The slang expression was soon extended to other kinds of failures and disappointments.

Though I wouldn't say it was a disappointment, unless you expected to learn something useful.

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Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality.
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You can't be serious man, you cannot be serious.
You actually serious?

Double post somehow.
But, seriously though..?

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Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality.
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You can't be serious man, you cannot be serious.
You actually serious?
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Of course I am serious.
1. EvenBob is NOT trolling. He's no longer even posting on this thread. This thread now consists of a small number of members wasting time and electrons as they talk to each other and to themselves.
2. YES, IMO it would be eminently sensible for EvenBob to have blocked all the people in this thread who have talked to him in a mean-spirited way.

I am not interested in encouraging further participation in this thread, so I intend to be very selective about responding to any more posted questions on this thread.

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Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality.
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You can't be serious man, you cannot be serious.
You actually serious?
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Of course I am serious.
1. EvenBob is NOT trolling. He's no longer even posting on this thread. This thread now consists of a small number of members wasting time and electrons as they talk to each other and to themselves.
2. YES, IMO it would be eminently sensible for EvenBob to have blocked all the people in this thread who have talked to him in a mean-spirited way.

I am not interested in encouraging further participation in this thread, so I intend to be very selective about responding to any more posted questions on this thread.
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Of course this whole thread was, is, and always will be an exercise in TROLLING.
That Gordon cannot bring himself to admit that is down to his weakness as a moderator.

Trolling takes many forms and has many purposes, one of which is to encourage members to waste time and electrons, where maybe some of those members get emotional and maybe suspended.

That EvenBob is not currently posting to the thread is all part of his game. It's not evidence of his innocence.

Shame on you, Gordon.

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Gordon, please explain to me how THIS ENTIRE THREAD is not trolling?
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Evenbob has not been posting here for a while, so he is clearly not trolling. Indeed, I wonder if he might have may have blocked everyone who has been rude and mean-spirited towards him - which IMO would be an eminently sensible way of using the Block Functionality.
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You can't be serious man, you cannot be serious.
You actually serious?
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Of course I am serious.
1. EvenBob is NOT trolling. He's no longer even posting on this thread. This thread now consists of a small number of members wasting time and electrons as they talk to each other and to themselves.
2. YES, IMO it would be eminently sensible for EvenBob to have blocked all the people in this thread who have talked to him in a mean-spirited way.

I am not interested in encouraging further participation in this thread, so I intend to be very selective about responding to any more posted questions on this thread.
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Of course this whole thread was, is, and always will be an exercise in TROLLING.
That Gordon cannot bring himself to admit that is down to his weakness as a moderator.

Trolling takes many forms and has many purposes, one of which is to encourage members to waste time and electrons, where maybe some of those members get emotional and maybe suspended.

That EvenBob is not currently posting to the thread is all part of his game. It's not evidence of his innocence.

Shame on you, Gordon.
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Me, personally, I really love Gordon's posts here, so well mannered, thoughtful, fluent and insightful, so well rooted in maths and logic and reason and so fluently laid out in English. It's because of* people like him, Unjon, you OD, Soopoo, Mission, Wizard That Donguy and others I won't list here and now but you're the backbone of this forum and the reason I and probably many other people are frequent here.
But tolerating and even encouraging threads and personal agenda like this one here... I don't get it.
I know the OP back from before he was member here. I know what he is and why he is doing what he's doing. It's boredom, wild imagination and total lack of respect for facts and realitiy and spite.
It just makes me a bit sad and a bit annoyed that this type of make believe stories are let unchecked on place like this. The guy needs help and not aggression, but he shouldn't be let loose like this either.

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I wish bob would share more pictures of his vintage candle collection. Maybe post a few random casino chips next to a vintage candle. Everyone knows photos are the way to establish some street cred.

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Me, personally, I really love Gordon's posts here, so well mannered, thoughtful, fluent and insightful, so well rooted in maths and logic and reason and so fluently laid out in English. It's because people like him, Unjon, you OD, Soopoo, Mission, Wizard That Donguy and others I won't list here and now but you're the backbone of this forum and the reason I and probably many other people are frequent here.
But tolerating and even encouraging threads and personal agenda like this one here... I don't get it.
I know the OP back from before he was member here. I know what he is and why he is doing what he's doing. It's boredom, wild imagination and total lack of respect for facts and realitiy and spite.
It just makes me a bit sad and a bit annoyed that this type of make believe stories are let unchecked on place like this. The guy needs help and not aggression, but he shouldn't be let loose like this either.
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Sorry, Rawtuff.
Your punctuation and sentence structure made it difficult to understand, and I really wanted to.
"Me, personally, I really love Gordon's posts here, so well mannered, thoughtful, fluent and insightful, so well rooted in maths and logic and reason and so fluently laid out in English."

I get that, and I agree. Gordon is a fine wordsmith. But as a moderator, he's too obliging to trolls. Trolls should be squished, whether they are nice guys or not. BS should be called out without fear of retribution.

"It's because people like him....
I think you meant 'It's because [of] people like him...'?

"I know what he is and why he is doing what he's doing. It's boredom, wild imagination and total lack of respect for facts and reality and spite."

Spite!. Yes. That's what I allude to. Evenbob is, by his own reckoning a curmudgeon. It is with a certain mischievous malevolence that he trolls these forums. It sure as heck is not altruism or wanting to enlighten us or make us smile.

"It just makes me a bit sad and a bit annoyed that this type of make believe stories are let unchecked on place like this. The guy needs help and not aggression, but he shouldn't be let loose like this either."

Bingo. That is the heart of the problem. A problem that the current moderator team have not dealt with. Refuse to deal with!

Very early in this thread, a moderator said "I have not missed EvenBob's claims and I do not welcome them back here."

I was derided by Gordon for being mean spirited."You posted in this thread and expressed animosity towards EvenBob"

I expressed animosity to the thread. Not to EvenBob. The thread should have been buried alive, but I got rebuked for moving it to the systems thread. The thread is toxic. It's already caused suspensions and the permanent loss of one NEW member that called EvenBob out.

EvenBob has said that he dislikes me. I don't dislike him. But I don't like his posts. I don't like his nonsense and I don't like his trolling. It should have no place here.

Maybe EvenBob needs help rather than aggression. But the only help he seems to get is help in support of his trolling and the suppression of those who would try to disagree with him. There should NEVER be help for trolls, whatever their motive or mental state, except help towards the exit. There should be NO bar on saying "What you say is nonsense"

What does one do when a curmudgeon comes to the dinner party. How far does one go to let him be heard. Should others be allowed to argue with him? Or should we all politely nod and give him a podium to preach his mischievous nonsense from. Personally, I'd politely mute them. The Betting systems thread should not have posts appearing in the 'Recent posts' section. If anyone wants to find them, they should have to seek them out.

We've had a few (ex-)members here that espoused nonsense and they were mostly perfectly nice people. Some were deluded, some intellectually challenged, some were mischievous, some wanted attention and some wanted to make a mockery of this forum and it's administrators: To damage the forum. In each case, their threads dominated. Arguments with them dominated. These arguments led to endless rounds of suspensions.

Wizard's tolerance for free speech goes too far to support trolls and his intolerance to frankness is totally misguided. We had a member recently suspended for using the words 'baccarat' and 'loser' in the same post in a thread that featured the word 'Adventures' in its title. Free speech? Don't rock the boat, more like.
"Let the troll have his say: He's harmless: Interrupt the troll and get suspended!"

How does one help? Should one help? Where should one draw the line?

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Of course this whole thread was, is, and always will be an exercise in TROLLING.
That Gordon cannot bring himself to admit that is down to his weakness as a moderator.

Trolling takes many forms and has many purposes, one of which is to encourage members to waste time and electrons, where maybe some of those members get emotional and maybe suspended.

That EvenBob is not currently posting to the thread is all part of his game. It's not evidence of his innocence.

Shame on you, Gordon.
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I invoke Rule 0 and call for 7 days, subject to review and penalties to fall on me for misuse of power.

Can't we all just get along? Or at least pretend to?

You're one to talk! Although at least you're not like DarkOz. After you've dropped your mischievous stink bomb after maybe one follow up you drop the subject don't have to have the last word. That at least is a sign of positive evolutionary behavior.

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You're one to talk! Although at least you're not like DarkOz. After you've dropped your mischievous stink bomb after maybe one follow up you drop the subject don't have to have the last word. That at least is a sign of positive evolutionary behavior.
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You just don't like the fact I win my argument most of the time.

You aren't upset I was wrong or right. Just that I got the last word.

BTW, please don't comment on this. After all I am right and I am getting the last word.

I love it when a poster makes my point for me!

Of course, you'll need to post AGAIN now to further make my point.