AlanMendelson
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April 4th, 2022 at 5:50:55 AM permalink
I've earned a high enough "status" for the first half of this year and enough comp credits so from now until July I'm just going to use my free play.

Unfortunately my free play offers are very low (craps players just don't get free play offers from Boyd and Stations).

On Thursday, Match 30th, I had $15 of free play at Red Rock. I cashed out $10.06 and this represented a profit of $9.06 after the $1 seed money. I played 100-line triple double bonus at one-cent per line.

Today April 4th I played at both Suncoast and Red Rock. Again TDB at one-cent per line.

Suncoast gave me only $5 (zero in March) and thanks to a dealt flush I cashed out $6.77

Red Rock gave me the usual $15 and with my $1 seed money I cashed out $11.16 or a net profit of $10.16 which I thought was okay for a volatile game like TDB.

Total take home on $20 of free play was:
$ 6.77 + $10.16 = $16.93

Of course I scored zero tier points and zero comp points with so little play.

A note about Suncoast: Boyd now calls its players club "Boyd Rewards" ala Caesars Rewards. The download screen on slot machines has changed with new wording that makes it simpler to understand.
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April 4th, 2022 at 8:08:21 AM permalink
Alan.... do you not gamble anymore? I couldn't imagine getting in my car and going to a casino to solely collect $5 or $10. If I'm there to play for fun, like you shooting craps, then I won't pass up the free small $$ stuff. Are you also playing other stuff when you pick up your free play?
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April 4th, 2022 at 8:16:21 AM permalink
This thread needs something.
How about a challenge.
You pick the day, the casino, and the game. The only rule is that you can't eat until you have earned enough comps for the meal.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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April 4th, 2022 at 8:22:45 AM permalink
Huh?

You've bet enough to fund future gambling through July solely with free play?

But the amount of free play you've earned is only about fifteen or so bucks per casino per week?

Does not compute, unless your idea of casino gambling differs vastly from the main stream.

When I read the opening part your post I thought "Great, he's brushed himself off, found a bankroll and is at it again," but then ... only confusion.
"What, me worry?"
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Hip, Hip Hooray for the low rollers if they are able to amuse themselves and find enjoyment playing for small stakes

99% of gamblers or more lose money - so at least the low rollers will lose a lot less and still get entertainment out of it


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April 4th, 2022 at 8:58:30 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Alan.... do you not gamble anymore? I couldn't imagine getting in my car and going to a casino to solely collect $5 or $10. If I'm there to play for fun, like you shooting craps, then I won't pass up the free small $$ stuff. Are you also playing other stuff when you pick up your free play?
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I'm less than a mile from Suncoast and less than two miles from Red Rock. In nice weather I've walked.

Recently I've been a caretaker for my ex wife who is very ill with leukemia. I've also had to curtail work.

When I go to the casinos once a week for the free play it gives me a chance to decompress.

By the way, Janet and I were married five years ago today. Unfortunately MrV couldn't find our wedding picture on the other site. I've been going back and forth to the hospital in Salt Lake City.
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April 4th, 2022 at 9:02:56 AM permalink
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Huh?

You've bet enough to fund future gambling through July solely with free play?

But the amount of free play you've earned is only about fifteen or so bucks per casino per week?

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No. I played my usual amounts in January and February. That gave me my points.

Now I'll just take the free play. Again it's small because my play was at craps. Red Rock stopped the free play for craps players when the Covid shutdown happened. There's no free play for tables.
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April 4th, 2022 at 1:51:14 PM permalink
My favorite casino in Biloxi, MS sends me $50/week in free play and $20/wk in table play every month for the past year or so. I patronize maybe three times a year. When I last used my free play last week, they also gave me a $20 bonus free play for a total of $70 for that visit. I cashed out at $75 on the free play available. If I lived within 10 miles of that casino, I could recover my entire food budge for the month. Your local LV casinos are cheapskates and that is a shame considering your loyalty and patronage.

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April 4th, 2022 at 1:53:56 PM permalink
I earn about $200 worth of free play playing craps. Avg bet is $175 or $350 which includes laying 6X on the Donít . My session avg is 8 hrs.
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April 4th, 2022 at 2:00:52 PM permalink
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I earn about $200 worth of free play playing craps. Avg bet is $175 or $350 which includes laying 6X on the Donít . My session avg is 8 hrs.
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Is that $200 a monthly stipend or weekly or what? What is the total amount you wager over a given 8 hr. session?

I play for about 45 min. and wager approximately $500 in a given session. Sometimes the bets are larger within a given session based on the play of the table and my results from hand to hand.

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April 4th, 2022 at 2:03:19 PM permalink
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My favorite casino in Biloxi, MS sends me $50/week in free play and $20/wk in table play every month for the past year or so. I patronize maybe three times a year. When I last used my free play last week, they also gave me a $20 bonus free play for a total of $70 for that visit. I cashed out at $75 on the free play available. If I lived within 10 miles of that casino, I could recover my entire food budge for the month. Your local LV casinos are cheapskates and that is a shame considering your loyalty and patronage.

tuttigym
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I'm curious to better understand your pattern of play.

Do you use the freeplay more than three times per year?
May the cards fall in your favor.
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April 4th, 2022 at 2:27:05 PM permalink
With a little planning, one can collect three weeks' worth of free play in a single week.
I'd check in on the last day of the week, and collect $50, the next day I would get another $50 and after the week's stay, another $50 on the day I checked out.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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April 4th, 2022 at 3:36:15 PM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym

My favorite casino in Biloxi, MS sends me $50/week in free play and $20/wk in table play every month for the past year or so. I patronize maybe three times a year. When I last used my free play last week, they also gave me a $20 bonus free play for a total of $70 for that visit. I cashed out at $75 on the free play available. If I lived within 10 miles of that casino, I could recover my entire food budge for the month. Your local LV casinos are cheapskates and that is a shame considering your loyalty and patronage.

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I'm curious to better understand your pattern of play.

Do you use the freeplay more than three times per year?
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Not in the last year and a half. I am 450 miles away from my casino plus covid. Those offers come monthly in mailers plus other offers individually during the month for specific days. i am planning visits in the future but likely only 3 times this year. The drive can be difficult.

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April 4th, 2022 at 3:40:58 PM permalink
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With a little planning, one can collect three weeks' worth of free play in a single week.
I'd check in on the last day of the week, and collect $50, the next day I would get another $50 and after the week's stay, another $50 on the day I checked out.
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The way the offers are spaced, that is not an option, i.e., $50 Mon-Thurs, then Mon-Thurs, etc. plus free RFB is only Sun-Thurs once a month.

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April 4th, 2022 at 3:52:49 PM permalink
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Quote: Vegasrider

I earn about $200 worth of free play playing craps. Avg bet is $175 or $350 which includes laying 6X on the Donít . My session avg is 8 hrs.
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Is that $200 a monthly stipend or weekly or what? What is the total amount you wager over a given 8 hr. session?

I play for about 45 min. and wager approximately $500 in a given session. Sometimes the bets are larger within a given session based on the play of the table and my results from hand to hand.

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Negative, that is just from what I earned in play for the night. My monthly offers is $600 in promotional chips, $150 in dining credits, free nights at hotel which so never use because I live across the street and a bunch of other RSVP events at the hotel from concerts to the VIP Rib Cook Off. Doesnít take much effort to become top tier up in Reno, they give you over a year but I can hit the top tier in a matter of a few weeks.
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April 4th, 2022 at 5:49:22 PM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym

Quote: Vegasrider

I earn about $200 worth of free play playing craps. Avg bet is $175 or $350 which includes laying 6X on the Donít . My session avg is 8 hrs.
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Is that $200 a monthly stipend or weekly or what? What is the total amount you wager over a given 8 hr. session?

I play for about 45 min. and wager approximately $500 in a given session. Sometimes the bets are larger within a given session based on the play of the table and my results from hand to hand.

tuttigym
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Negative, that is just from what I earned in play for the night. My monthly offers is $600 in promotional chips, $150 in dining credits, free nights at hotel which so never use because I live across the street and a bunch of other RSVP events at the hotel from concerts to the VIP Rib Cook Off. Doesnít take much effort to become top tier up in Reno, they give you over a year but I can hit the top tier in a matter of a few weeks.
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May not take much Ďeffortí but certainly takes a bankroll bigger than the great majority can afford to put at risk rolling dem bones. Your EV might be close to break even, but you need a big bankroll to handle the variance. If average session is 8 hours you must be prepared to lose many $$$$. No lunch break during 8 hour session!?!?
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April 4th, 2022 at 9:38:49 PM permalink
A mailer from my local casino says I can get half a cent a point, or $1 of free play for 200 points ($1,200 coin-in). Yeah, I'd have to run up some serious points for that to matter. In the meantime, maybe I'll get a meal at the buffet sometime for $1 per 100 points.
I've been getting dollar deals at Wendy's lately for using their mobile app. I can get a Dave's Single for $5 off or a breakfast sandwich for $2.69 off. Just use the drive-thru and get my beverage at home.
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April 5th, 2022 at 1:58:23 AM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym

My favorite casino in Biloxi, MS sends me $50/week in free play and $20/wk in table play every month for the past year or so. I patronize maybe three times a year. When I last used my free play last week, they also gave me a $20 bonus free play for a total of $70 for that visit. I cashed out at $75 on the free play available. If I lived within 10 miles of that casino, I could recover my entire food budge for the month. Your local LV casinos are cheapskates and that is a shame considering your loyalty and patronage.

tuttigym
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I'm curious to better understand your pattern of play.

Do you use the freeplay more than three times per year?
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Not in the last year and a half. I am 450 miles away from my casino plus covid. Those offers come monthly in mailers plus other offers individually during the month for specific days. i am planning visits in the future but likely only 3 times this year. The drive can be difficult.

tuttigym
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$5 * 52 is actually more than $70 * 3.
The cost to the casino is negligible to send you incentives they are reasonably sure you won't collect.

I know I struggle to justify a 2 mile detour to get to a casino some days. Much easier if I want to look into something specific.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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April 5th, 2022 at 11:01:29 AM permalink
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$5 * 52 is actually more than $70 * 3.
The cost to the casino is negligible to send you incentives they are reasonably sure you won't collect.

I know I struggle to justify a 2 mile detour to get to a casino some days. Much easier if I want to look into something specific.
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The above first sentence is a reasonable assumption.

I find it difficult to assimilate the incredibly low offers to Mr. Mendelson when he has posted on another thread of winning $2.9 mil and losing more than that in one year of play. (Easy Way to Keep Gambling Log) To my knowledge, he has not posted the kinds of comps or offers received by Mr.MDawg or others or even myself. My personal mindset would not allow me to patronize any casino not prepared to offer some real and frequent offers.

I don't know what the second sentence above, Mr. Dieter, means. "Specific"??

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April 5th, 2022 at 11:10:20 AM permalink
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Quote: Dieter

$5 * 52 is actually more than $70 * 3.
The cost to the casino is negligible to send you incentives they are reasonably sure you won't collect.

I know I struggle to justify a 2 mile detour to get to a casino some days. Much easier if I want to look into something specific.
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The above first sentence is a reasonable assumption.

I find it difficult to assimilate the incredibly low offers to Mr. Mendelson when he has posted on another thread of winning $2.9 mil and losing more than that in one year of play. (Easy Way to Keep Gambling Log) To my knowledge, he has not posted the kinds of comps or offers received by Mr.MDawg or others or even myself. My personal mindset would not allow me to patronize any casino not prepared to offer some real and frequent offers.

I don't know what the second sentence above, Mr. Dieter, means. "Specific"??

tuttigym
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Incentive offers are usually based on recent play patterns. I used to play much more than I do now; I used to get roughly 40x the offers I do now. Casinos often have short memories.

As to specifics... sometimes I am intrigued to learn more about a specific property or a specific game, so I visit. Other times, I couldn't give a hoot and a half, so I don't visit.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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April 5th, 2022 at 11:22:24 AM permalink
Obviously I was getting substantial free play offers that year I had $2.9-million of W2Gs. I had offers of $2500 of free play just for showing up at Caesars. I had several thou per month at Harrah's Rincon in addition.

But those offers only last as long as you play at those levels.

Today my free play offers at Red Rock for May showed up on my online account. Still at $15 per visit for six visits in May. That gives you an idea about my current play on video poker.
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April 8th, 2022 at 1:15:22 AM permalink
$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.

It was 2am so the restaurants were closed-- so didnt use the food voucher, and I didnt have time to make a second stop at the sister casino nearby where they have a 24-hour restaurant.

Back to the $20 of free play: cashed out $13.75 and their ticket redemption machines do pay the coins. Playing 7-5 made no difference as there were no full houses.

Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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April 8th, 2022 at 2:47:33 AM permalink
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$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.

It was 2am so the restaurants were closed-- so didnt use the food voucher, and I didnt have time to make a second stop at the sister casino nearby where they have a 24-hour restaurant.

Back to the $20 of free play: cashed out $13.75 and their ticket redemption machines do pay the coins. Playing 7-5 made no difference as there were no full houses.

Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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Lol, and you didn't text your girlfriend what her pin was?
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April 8th, 2022 at 6:45:50 AM permalink
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$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.



If in Mesquite make be sure you check out the Eureka casino. They have 100-play 1 cent to 10 cent Double Bonus Deuces Wild that pays close to 100%. BTW, it is a nice little casino and one I like much better than Casablanca.
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April 8th, 2022 at 8:53:13 AM permalink
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Quote: AlanMendelson

$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.

It was 2am so the restaurants were closed-- so didnt use the food voucher, and I didnt have time to make a second stop at the sister casino nearby where they have a 24-hour restaurant.

Back to the $20 of free play: cashed out $13.75 and their ticket redemption machines do pay the coins. Playing 7-5 made no difference as there were no full houses.

Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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Lol, and you didn't text your girlfriend what her pin was?
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It was about 2am. (Paragraph #3)
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April 8th, 2022 at 9:02:24 AM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.

It was 2am so the restaurants were closed-- so didnt use the food voucher, and I didnt have time to make a second stop at the sister casino nearby where they have a 24-hour restaurant.

Back to the $20 of free play: cashed out $13.75 and their ticket redemption machines do pay the coins. Playing 7-5 made no difference as there were no full houses.

Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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Lol, and you didn't text your girlfriend what her pin was?
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It was about 2am. (Paragraph #3)
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When multi-carding, try to get everyone to use the same PIN. It makes it easier on everyone.
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April 8th, 2022 at 9:37:59 AM permalink
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Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.

It was 2am so the restaurants were closed-- so didnt use the food voucher, and I didnt have time to make a second stop at the sister casino nearby where they have a 24-hour restaurant.

Back to the $20 of free play: cashed out $13.75 and their ticket redemption machines do pay the coins. Playing 7-5 made no difference as there were no full houses.

Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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Lol, and you didn't text your girlfriend what her pin was?
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It was about 2am. (Paragraph #3)
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When multi-carding, try to get everyone to use the same PIN. It makes it easier on everyone.
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It also opens up the door for the possibility of the most disastrous scenario possible. It certainly does make it easier on everyone, for good and bad.
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April 8th, 2022 at 9:43:51 AM permalink
Gee... having everyone using the same PIN is like me keeping four ex wives on my checking account. LOL
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April 8th, 2022 at 10:02:41 AM permalink
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Quote: billryan

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.

It was 2am so the restaurants were closed-- so didnt use the food voucher, and I didnt have time to make a second stop at the sister casino nearby where they have a 24-hour restaurant.

Back to the $20 of free play: cashed out $13.75 and their ticket redemption machines do pay the coins. Playing 7-5 made no difference as there were no full houses.

Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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Lol, and you didn't text your girlfriend what her pin was?
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It was about 2am. (Paragraph #3)
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When multi-carding, try to get everyone to use the same PIN. It makes it easier on everyone.
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It also opens up the door for the possibility of the most disastrous scenario possible. It certainly does make it easier on everyone, for good and bad.
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If you can't trust your team, you really don't have one.
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April 8th, 2022 at 10:10:02 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: mcallister3200

Quote: billryan

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

$20 of free play at Mesquite's Casablanca... about an hour north of Vegas. I don't usually play here but I still get $20 once a month because of a visit about a year ago. I also get $40 for food with or without a hotel stay.

Played 25-cent per coin, single line, 7-5 Bonus. I don't know if they have 8-5 and this time I was driving thru and didnt have time to look.

It was 2am so the restaurants were closed-- so didnt use the food voucher, and I didnt have time to make a second stop at the sister casino nearby where they have a 24-hour restaurant.

Back to the $20 of free play: cashed out $13.75 and their ticket redemption machines do pay the coins. Playing 7-5 made no difference as there were no full houses.

Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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Lol, and you didn't text your girlfriend what her pin was?
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It was about 2am. (Paragraph #3)
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When multi-carding, try to get everyone to use the same PIN. It makes it easier on everyone.
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It also opens up the door for the possibility of the most disastrous scenario possible. It certainly does make it easier on everyone, for good and bad.
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If you can't trust your team, you really don't have one.
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It's not about trusting your team. It's about losing your bundle of cards... someone finding them... and then having the same pin to loot every card.

Even APs who loot the casinos need to follow smart safety precautions that ploppies use.
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April 8th, 2022 at 11:22:39 AM permalink
You can trust most people until you canít. Amazing talent some people must have to live for over half a century without misjudging someoneís character or getting screwed a single time.

All Iím trying to say isÖ.why even leave open the possibility despite the low probability? Just being too lazy to document it on a spreadsheet or something and look back occasionally when needed is the only good reason I can think of. Anyone capable of being sober on the job is capable of memorizing a couple numbers at a time so donít have to look back constantly. I suppose thatís the other good reason, if people canít or refuse to be sober for the occasion.
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April 8th, 2022 at 11:43:21 AM permalink
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You can trust most people until you canít. Amazing talent some people must have to live for over half a century without misjudging someoneís character or getting screwed a single time.

All Iím trying to say isÖ.why even leave open the possibility despite the low probability? Just being too lazy to document it on a spreadsheet or something and look back occasionally when needed is the only good reason I can think of. Anyone capable of being sober on the job is capable of memorizing a couple numbers at a time so donít have to look back constantly. I suppose thatís the other good reason, if people canít or refuse to be sober for the occasion.
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People can't screw you if you don't allow them to get into a position to do so. I'm trying to think of the last time someone close to me screwed me and aside from an inheritance that has been fought over for the last five years, I can't think of one. Next, I tried to think of the last time I screwed someone over, and that took me back to the late 1980s.
I'm sure your system is much more sophisticated and complex than mine. I'd hate to go out of my way to cash in an offer to find out the PIn is wrong.
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April 8th, 2022 at 11:49:41 AM permalink
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When multi-carding, try to get everyone to use the same PIN. It makes it easier on everyone.
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It also opens up the door for the possibility of the most disastrous scenario possible. It certainly does make it easier on everyone, for good and bad.
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If you can't trust your team, you really don't have one.
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It's not about trusting your team. It's about losing your bundle of cards... someone finding them... and then having the same pin to loot every card.

Even APs who loot the casinos need to follow smart safety precautions that ploppies use.
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Even if one was stupid enough to keep all his cards together and somehow lose them, how would anyone who finds them know any of the pins, let alone that they were all the same.,
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April 8th, 2022 at 12:04:13 PM permalink
I have mixed feeling on same pin use.

Certainly the fact I had all different pins kept my burglary in 2019 where all my cards were stolen from being an even larger disaster.

Ironically, the majority of the cards he stole had zero offers. The cards WITH offers were in the field with my trusted workers.

But I still would have had to bring everyone back to the casinos if reusing their cards (sorry Bill, you don't need new members to do what I do.)

One problem with a lot of card pins to memorize are lazy workers who decide to actually stick a small piece of tape on the back with the pin. There are always workers who sneak about and do the lazy route.

But then making everyone have the same pins have it's own problems. Some casinos disallow certain pin combinations. Other casinos may demand a pin being reset be a new number. And suddenly you are trying to remember why the pins are not the usual combination.
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April 8th, 2022 at 12:14:44 PM permalink
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You can trust most people until you canít. Amazing talent some people must have to live for over half a century without misjudging someoneís character or getting screwed a single time.

All Iím trying to say isÖ.why even leave open the possibility despite the low probability? Just being too lazy to document it on a spreadsheet or something and look back occasionally when needed is the only good reason I can think of. Anyone capable of being sober on the job is capable of memorizing a couple numbers at a time so donít have to look back constantly. I suppose thatís the other good reason, if people canít or refuse to be sober for the occasion.
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People can't screw you if you don't allow them to get into a position to do so.
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I mean that is exactly and all I was saying and why itís potentially dangerous. You donít need to tell everyone all the PINís are the same for them to try to guess and Iím not going to run back and forth to a safety deposit box every week to get them.
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April 8th, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM permalink
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When multi-carding, try to get everyone to use the same PIN. It makes it easier on everyone.
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It also opens up the door for the possibility of the most disastrous scenario possible. It certainly does make it easier on everyone, for good and bad.
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If you can't trust your team, you really don't have one.
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It's not about trusting your team. It's about losing your bundle of cards... someone finding them... and then having the same pin to loot every card.

Even APs who loot the casinos need to follow smart safety precautions that ploppies use.
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Even if one was stupid enough to keep all his cards together and somehow lose them, how would anyone who finds them know any of the pins, let alone that they were all the same.,
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The working assumption here is itís someone who got a card for you at one time. You told them the PIN or what PIN to use. I donít understand how keeping cards in a half dozen different locations is less complicated than using different PINS.

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April 8th, 2022 at 1:10:53 PM permalink
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<snip>Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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AlanMendelson,

Ask her to change her PIN to match the last four digits of her players card number: then you'll always have it with you.

You can also ask her to change her ring size and birthday to match other digits of her players card number, but she might not be so accommodating ;-)

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April 8th, 2022 at 2:44:04 PM permalink
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<snip>Bummer of the night is that my girlfriend wasn't with me and while her card is in my car I forgot her PIN. I also forget her birthday and ring size. She asked me to play her free play. Darn it. Maybe next week... if I'm back in the area.
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AlanMendelson,

Ask her to change her PIN to match the last four digits of her players card number: then you'll always have it with you.

You can also ask her to change her ring size and birthday to match other digits of her players card number, but she might not be so accommodating ;-)

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I think some casinos block things like using the last four digits of the card number as your PIN.

They also block repetitive numbers, birthdates, social security digits, etc.

I have separate PINS and passwords for just about every account I have... a result of all the "safety" stories I've done over the years.

PINS aren't something to be taken lightly. In fact Station Casinos requires you to change your PIN at least once a year.
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April 8th, 2022 at 2:59:49 PM permalink
I guess everyone has different experiences but the only time I've ever had a PIN turned down was some casinos won't let you start with a zero.
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April 8th, 2022 at 4:15:17 PM permalink
At unnamed casino I have teams that have to first activate freeplay at a kiosk. The screen is large enough that I can see the freeplay rewarded as it flashes by and the player's name if I position myself correct behind the person and most certainly the pin as it's entered.

So behind a number of people who I caught multicarding but NOT members of my team, I realized there were at minimum two major teams hitting the same casino, one being my own of course.

I followed and watched them and determined they were being wise about it, safe and practical. Only another AP like me probably would notice them.

I don't care about them as competition. They aren't competing with me. But having another team ruin an operation is always a concern. You can scream protocol to your team all you want and another team can still ruin it

At any rate, the reason I bring this up here is I call them the 5-5-5-5 team because all the members use 5-5-5-5 as their pin (and if you-know-who-captain of this team is reading this be concerned).

Of course I have no interest in using any cards unauthorized for my (or my teams)! Use but you can see the danger of using the same pin.
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April 8th, 2022 at 4:23:33 PM permalink
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PINS aren't something to be taken lightly. In fact Station Casinos requires you to change your PIN at least once a year.
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I do not think that the casino making you update your PIN annually is a security measure for your benefit.
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April 8th, 2022 at 4:32:50 PM permalink
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PINS aren't something to be taken lightly. In fact Station Casinos requires you to change your PIN at least once a year.
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I do not think that the casino making you update your PIN annually is a security measure for your benefit.
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You'll have to explain this.
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April 8th, 2022 at 4:35:50 PM permalink
I dont know of any PIN system at any bank or casino or lock that would allow four identical numbers to be used. Not even on a website. That must be an awfully primitive casino that allows 5555, Darkoz.

Do they even have cameras or does Security roam catwalks with binoculars? LOL
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April 8th, 2022 at 4:54:22 PM permalink
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I dont know of any PIN system at any bank or casino or lock that would allow four identical numbers to be used.



In honor of MarcusClark, I'm willing to apply for a player's card to test the 5555 password claim.

Of course, the casino name would be required.
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April 8th, 2022 at 5:14:52 PM permalink
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I dont know of any PIN system at any bank or casino or lock that would allow four identical numbers to be used. Not even on a website. That must be an awfully primitive casino that allows 5555, Darkoz.

Do they even have cameras or does Security roam catwalks with binoculars? LOL
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All I can say is you profess a lot of knowledge in this area and yet make serious mistakes of fact.
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April 8th, 2022 at 5:35:08 PM permalink
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I do not think that the casino making you update your PIN annually is a security measure for your benefit.
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You'll have to explain this.
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I expect they want each players club member to present their ID and card annually to confound those who would attempt perpetual hinky business. I don't think it will stop hinky business, but I do think it will annoy hinky perpetrators once in a while.
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April 8th, 2022 at 5:42:06 PM permalink
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I dont know of any PIN system at any bank or casino or lock that would allow four identical numbers to be used.



In honor of MarcusClark, I'm willing to apply for a player's card to test the 5555 password claim.

Of course, the casino name would be required.
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If you have a means of contacting Marcus, perhaps he will tell you.

I have no reason to think that the properties on his playlist would disallow a "weak" PIN.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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April 8th, 2022 at 5:50:19 PM permalink
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I dont know of any PIN system at any bank or casino or lock that would allow four identical numbers to be used.



In honor of MarcusClark, I'm willing to apply for a player's card to test the 5555 password claim.

Of course, the casino name would be required.
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If you have a means of contacting Marcus, perhaps he will tell you.

I have no reason to think that the properties on his playlist would disallow a "weak" PIN.
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I don't believe that location is different for pin setting, east coast versus west coast, as the systems are integrated so with that in mind anyone in Vegas or any state with an MGM casino can go and attempt a 5-5-5-5 or even 1-1-1-1 pin and report back.

I'm sure by Alan's standards, MGM properties are primitive using catwalks and mirrors.
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April 8th, 2022 at 6:15:15 PM permalink
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any state with an MGM casino can go and attempt a 5-5-5-5 or even 1-1-1-1 pin and report back.



I can visit Borgata over Easter weekend, and attempt to change my pin # to 4 identical numbers and report back.

For transparency purposes, I invite anyone to witness or even video my attempt.

Having regularly visited Borgata for many years (pre-covid), I don't recall ever having to activate freeplay at the kiosks.

My recollection is that the activation and download was on the screen at the machine.

How long has this kiosk activation been protocol in Vegas, or any state with an MGM casino?
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April 8th, 2022 at 6:23:19 PM permalink
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any state with an MGM casino can go and attempt a 5-5-5-5 or even 1-1-1-1 pin and report back.



I can visit Borgata over Easter weekend, and attempt to change my pin # to 4 identical numbers and report back.

For transparency purposes, I invite anyone to witness or even video my attempt.

Having regularly visited Borgata for many years (pre-covid), I don't recall ever having to activate freeplay at the kiosks.

My recollection is that the activation and download was on the screen at the machine.

How long has this kiosk activation been protocol in Vegas, or any state with an MGM casino?
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Hey don't get it twisted mister.

I said MGM properties allow straight numbers like 5-5-5-5.

I did NOT say that any specific MGM property was the one I referenced about kiosks.

Also, different properties within the same company have different protocols.

For example, At Harrah's Biloxi you have to print your freeplay at the kiosks as a voucher. Going to Harrah's Atlantic City to prove that wrong would be the act of a retard.
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