The Adventures of MDawg II
July 18th, 2022 at 10:14:54 AM
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Even the casinos that have policies against comp'ing rooms unless the player himself is on property, are letting me put up friends and family in Vegas whenever, however long, these days.
"I have total credit! Can you grasp that?" I was breathing heavily, feeling crazy, sweating into the phone.
I can make him do anything I please.
"I have total credit! Can you grasp that?" I was breathing heavily, feeling crazy, sweating into the phone.
I can make him do anything I please.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 18th, 2022 at 8:27:22 PM
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Quote: MDawgEven the casinos that have policies against comp'ing rooms unless the player himself is on property, are letting me put up friends and family in Vegas whenever, however long, these days.
"I have total credit! Can you grasp that?" I was breathing heavily, feeling crazy, sweating into the phone.
I can make him do anything I please.
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If you are a big enough player who the casino ‘trusts’ will get your action, I would assume the ‘rules’ would be tailored to what you want. Back 25 or so years ago there was a surgeon who would go out to Vegas, and according to him would play BJ averaging over $400 a hand for 6 hours a day. He would take a bunch of nurses with him that were given their own suite. They didn’t gamble, or if they did it was insignificant. They were given free dinners as well, whether he was with them or not. I guess with inflation it would be equivalent to a $1000 a hand player.
It’s hard to tell from many of your trip reports what your average bet x hours of play is per day. But I would guess if you called a host and asked for a room for 3 nights for your brother who would be in town when you aren’t someone could pull some strings and work it out. You think?
Edit…. I see the question was answered!
July 19th, 2022 at 8:29:57 AM
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Correct SooPoo, with my average bets comps are off the chart. I may stay at any of the major casinos in a large suite for weeks at a time, and I may get extra rooms, even extra suites for friends or family. All food, spa and incidentals are covered.
However, some casinos have a policy that the player must be staying in house when booking comp'ed rooms for friends or family. All I meant was even those casinos will overlook such policies for a high caliber player.
As far as the free food and beverage you mention when a player is not with the guests at the restaurant, or as far as room service or mini bar charges, all the guests have to do is charge it to their room, and then at the end of the trip even if the room was booked as a room comp only the high caliber player may merely ask his host to pick up the food, and it will be done. I am pretty beyond all that, I don't expect to see a bill for more than tips any longer for me or my friends when I stay in Vegas.
Now sometimes, if I have a more distant friend, really just an acquaintance, who is getting a free room courtesy of MDawg, I might just leave it as a room comp only just so that the guest doesn't get too comfortable thinking that I am the source of unlimited comps, even though in reality, effectively - I am!
However, some casinos have a policy that the player must be staying in house when booking comp'ed rooms for friends or family. All I meant was even those casinos will overlook such policies for a high caliber player.
As far as the free food and beverage you mention when a player is not with the guests at the restaurant, or as far as room service or mini bar charges, all the guests have to do is charge it to their room, and then at the end of the trip even if the room was booked as a room comp only the high caliber player may merely ask his host to pick up the food, and it will be done. I am pretty beyond all that, I don't expect to see a bill for more than tips any longer for me or my friends when I stay in Vegas.
Now sometimes, if I have a more distant friend, really just an acquaintance, who is getting a free room courtesy of MDawg, I might just leave it as a room comp only just so that the guest doesn't get too comfortable thinking that I am the source of unlimited comps, even though in reality, effectively - I am!
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 19th, 2022 at 8:58:29 AM
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There is talk about dice influence / dice manipulation. How hard is it to spin the roulette wheel and inject the ball in a way where the same quadrant will come up? How about the same number?
In Wizard’s April 30, 2020, Live Stream Heather claimed to have spun the ball in a way where the same number popped up 8 times [at 17:14].
From the LiveStream:
Wizard to Heather: "You said that you once saw the same number 8 times in a row?
Heather: "Yup, and I'm the one that spun the ball. And it was at a dead table. I'm sitting practicing. I'm spinning 5 in a row, 6 in a row. My floor supervisor comes over and he's like I'll bet you can't do that again. So I spin the ball and I do it again and he's like I bet you $100 you can't do it again. And I spin the ball and do it again."
During the LiveStream Wizard told Heather that the odds of doing that are 1 in 114,415,582,592.
I am not into roulette but I know that roulette players claim that a “steady arm” and consistent method (spin? ball entry?) may result in a predictable outcome….
In Wizard’s April 30, 2020, Live Stream Heather claimed to have spun the ball in a way where the same number popped up 8 times [at 17:14].
From the LiveStream:
Wizard to Heather: "You said that you once saw the same number 8 times in a row?
Heather: "Yup, and I'm the one that spun the ball. And it was at a dead table. I'm sitting practicing. I'm spinning 5 in a row, 6 in a row. My floor supervisor comes over and he's like I'll bet you can't do that again. So I spin the ball and I do it again and he's like I bet you $100 you can't do it again. And I spin the ball and do it again."
During the LiveStream Wizard told Heather that the odds of doing that are 1 in 114,415,582,592.
I am not into roulette but I know that roulette players claim that a “steady arm” and consistent method (spin? ball entry?) may result in a predictable outcome….
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 19th, 2022 at 11:28:59 AM
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Quote: MDawgThere is talk about dice influence / dice manipulation. How hard is it to spin the roulette wheel and inject the ball in a way where the same quadrant will come up? How about the same number?
I am not into roulette but I know that roulette players claim that a “steady arm” and consistent method (spin? ball entry?) may result in a predictable outcome….
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Just want to correct the concept.... The proponents wouldn't say the outcome ever becomes predictable, in the sense that they can tell you with any certainty what quadrant the ball will finish in. What they would say is that it becomes MORE LIKELY to fall in a specific quadrant. If they can make it to 40% in the desired quadrant, and 60% in the other 3, it would be real easy to develop a betting plan to clean up. If you want to pick a specific number, and can hit it even 5% of the time, that's enough to make $$$.
July 19th, 2022 at 12:12:55 PM
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In the case with Heather she says she got the ball into the same number 6 times in a row, and then when challenged by her boss to do it again, did so twice more.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 19th, 2022 at 1:37:59 PM
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Quote: MDawgIn the case with Heather she says she got the ball into the same number 6 times in a row, and then when challenged by her boss to do it again, did so twice more.
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That's the point where I either fire her or surveil her to see how many"friends" of hers keep winning!
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 19th, 2022 at 6:30:16 PM
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Quote: MDawgIn the case with Heather she says she got the ball into the same number 6 times in a row, and then when challenged by her boss to do it again, did so twice more.
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I didn't want to get into an argument with Heather on the show, but I'm skeptical of the story. If dealers could really do this, roulette in its present form wouldn't exist. Cheating dealers would be letting their friends win right and left and splitting the winnings later.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
July 19th, 2022 at 6:49:45 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: MDawgIn the case with Heather she says she got the ball into the same number 6 times in a row, and then when challenged by her boss to do it again, did so twice more.
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I didn't want to get into an argument with Heather on the show, but I'm skeptical of the story. If dealers could really do this, roulette in its present form wouldn't exist. Cheating dealers would be letting their friends win right and left and splitting the winnings later.
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I agree.
I did witness the following event.
While playing Roulette at a rather full table one player asked the dealer what his next number would be. He said he would throw a fifteen.
Everyone put their money on fifteen except me who naturally didn't believe the dealer had any power of the ball
Well, lol, yes, the ball landed on fifteen.
That said it's just confirmation bias. Dealers get lucky choosing their numbers just like any other player. My son-in-law did the same trick and called a number before the ball was thrown and was correct.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 19th, 2022 at 7:41:04 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: WizardQuote: MDawgIn the case with Heather she says she got the ball into the same number 6 times in a row, and then when challenged by her boss to do it again, did so twice more.
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I didn't want to get into an argument with Heather on the show, but I'm skeptical of the story. If dealers could really do this, roulette in its present form wouldn't exist. Cheating dealers would be letting their friends win right and left and splitting the winnings later.
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I agree.
I did witness the following event.
While playing Roulette at a rather full table one player asked the dealer what his next number would be. He said he would throw a fifteen.
Everyone put their money on fifteen except me who naturally didn't believe the dealer had any power of the ball
Well, lol, yes, the ball landed on fifteen.
That said it's just confirmation bias. Dealers get lucky choosing their numbers just like any other player. My son-in-law did the same trick and called a number before the ball was thrown and was correct.
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Yesterday at Pai Gow I had visual access to 28 cards. I had kings with a jack up top. The other 3 hands had no aces or queens. I say out loud the dealer is going to have a pair of aces with a queen up top to beat me, but I don’t have the cajones to split my kings. Lo and behold, the dealer reveals his aces with a queen up top. The dealer calls over the pit boss to tell him this guy knew what his cards were before he turned them over! Mine was of course an educated guess. I probably made a few more such guesses but no one notices or cares when they are wrong. For every dealer that pre calls a correct number there are 36 or 37 such calls that are wrong, and no one notices or cares.
July 19th, 2022 at 9:37:19 PM
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Knowing what might be coming or has already come and doing something about it are two different things. I know nothing about Pai Gow but sounds like you failed to act on your information?
In Blackjack if the count is high and a long sequence has passed with no 10s/faces/aces, I'll jack the bet all the way to table max / special limits max, figuring I'll catch a 10/face/ace on the first card dealt and then with the deck so rich in more of the same, hope to catch another. There are other situations where I actually know that the first card out the gate will be a 10/face or even specifically, an ace, which is MY card. And in those situations jacking the bet usually works out well. But sometimes it works out where the dealer gets the good card face up and you end up with a hard sixteen with a million 10s coming....
And in Baccarat sometimes I have knowledge of what the Player's first card will be, and if it's going to be an 8 or 9 that generally means Player advantage, but again, only if it catches a face or 10 with it, or at least another 8 or 9, otherwise that 8 or 9 coupled with say a 4, doesn't mean much.
The key though is consistency. If those situations present an advantage then you have to hit them equally hard each time, and then over time you should benefit.
In Blackjack if the count is high and a long sequence has passed with no 10s/faces/aces, I'll jack the bet all the way to table max / special limits max, figuring I'll catch a 10/face/ace on the first card dealt and then with the deck so rich in more of the same, hope to catch another. There are other situations where I actually know that the first card out the gate will be a 10/face or even specifically, an ace, which is MY card. And in those situations jacking the bet usually works out well. But sometimes it works out where the dealer gets the good card face up and you end up with a hard sixteen with a million 10s coming....
And in Baccarat sometimes I have knowledge of what the Player's first card will be, and if it's going to be an 8 or 9 that generally means Player advantage, but again, only if it catches a face or 10 with it, or at least another 8 or 9, otherwise that 8 or 9 coupled with say a 4, doesn't mean much.
The key though is consistency. If those situations present an advantage then you have to hit them equally hard each time, and then over time you should benefit.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 20th, 2022 at 7:50:59 AM
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A few of the very high rollers I have referred to the Vegas casinos are in Vegas right now. They tend to report back to me as to what is going on. As far as the slots players, they expect to lose, they just want to be taken care of and they always are. One of them is dabbling at table games lately, and mentioned that was way up and then ended up losing pretty big, wasn't too happy about that, but then Vegas was built on people who get ahead then give it all back, and then some.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 20th, 2022 at 8:06:21 AM
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Can this be challenged?Quote: MDawg
In Blackjack if the count is high and a long sequence has passed with no 10s/faces/aces, I'll jack the bet all the way to table max / special limits max, figuring I'll catch a 10/face/ace on the first card dealt and then with the deck so rich in more of the same, hope to catch another. There are other situations where I actually know that the first card out the gate will be a 10/face or even specifically, an ace, which is MY card.
I do not believe you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 20th, 2022 at 8:30:30 AM
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Challenged how? You want to have someone we trust watch when I do it the next time? In a given session I do something like that every now and then, so I don't see what the challenge would be about.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 20th, 2022 at 10:55:59 AM
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Quote: MDawgKnowing what might be coming or has already come and doing something about it are two different things. I know nothing about Pai Gow but sounds like you failed to act on your information?
There are other situations where I actually know that the first card out the gate will be a 10/face or even specifically, an ace, which is MY card.
And in Baccarat sometimes I have knowledge of what the Player's first card will be, and if it's going to be an 8 or 9 that generally means Player advantage,
Wow!!!! So it seems like you are able to AP both BJ and Bac by knowing a card in advance! Betting player when you know players first card is an 8 or 9 is a huge advantage! Betting banker when you know players first card is not an 8 or 9 is an advantage as well. And being able to table max when you know an ace or face is coming in BJ is an easy source of $$$$$!
No one ever questioned/noticed your betting pattern on these $$$$ bets?
July 20th, 2022 at 11:01:43 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MDawgKnowing what might be coming or has already come and doing something about it are two different things. I know nothing about Pai Gow but sounds like you failed to act on your information?
There are other situations where I actually know that the first card out the gate will be a 10/face or even specifically, an ace, which is MY card.
And in Baccarat sometimes I have knowledge of what the Player's first card will be, and if it's going to be an 8 or 9 that generally means Player advantage,
Wow!!!! So it seems like you are able to AP both BJ and Bac by knowing a card in advance! Betting player when you know players first card is an 8 or 9 is a huge advantage! Betting banker when you know players first card is not an 8 or 9 is an advantage as well. And being able to table max when you know an ace or face is coming in BJ is an easy source of $$$$$!
No one ever questioned/noticed your betting pattern on these $$$$ bets?
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Do we have a doubter, do we have a doubter?
Going once, going twice, One doubter sold to Soopoo!
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
July 20th, 2022 at 11:12:30 AM
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No one questioned anything at Baccarat, at least, I have never observed anyone question anything. The worst that ever happened was in two past trips, and these were trips dating from before my hiatus, some "suit" I had never seen before appeared at a respectful distance and was watching me closely, and the amount of pressure that put on me was equivalent to say, a soft stroke by a girl on my wrist.
As far as Blackjack, there could be any number of reasons why no one has said anything (not lately anyway, not since I was banned years ago at one set of casinos and then after a few years that ban was lifted) about my bet variations. Part of it may be that I switch between Baccarat and Blackjack a lot, and lately tend to play more Bacc than Blackjack. Other reasons may have to do with all the high rollers I have referred to the casinos, that are like so many nickels and dimes I carry around in my pocket that I hand out at will. Pretty much all of these referred players are consistent losers, as many of them stick to high limit slots only. I actually try to get some of them to play table games, but they mostly just want to have a drink and zone out in front of a slot machine.
In any case, I'm not playing right now and I'm getting offers to return from all properties still. I have about a dozen properties at which I alternate play at in Vegas. So whatever I am doing isn't creating any issues.
I'd say that some blackjack players have no idea what is tolerated and what is not. Because they haven't tried. As Otter said in Animal House,
All the real professionals just play the way they play, they don't go into a session trying to lose just to try to show that they don't know what they are doing. Heck, it's hard enough to win when you're trying, why try to downplay your skill? camouflaging in that way - losing a hand here and there intentionally - doesn't work anyway.
As far as Blackjack, there could be any number of reasons why no one has said anything (not lately anyway, not since I was banned years ago at one set of casinos and then after a few years that ban was lifted) about my bet variations. Part of it may be that I switch between Baccarat and Blackjack a lot, and lately tend to play more Bacc than Blackjack. Other reasons may have to do with all the high rollers I have referred to the casinos, that are like so many nickels and dimes I carry around in my pocket that I hand out at will. Pretty much all of these referred players are consistent losers, as many of them stick to high limit slots only. I actually try to get some of them to play table games, but they mostly just want to have a drink and zone out in front of a slot machine.
In any case, I'm not playing right now and I'm getting offers to return from all properties still. I have about a dozen properties at which I alternate play at in Vegas. So whatever I am doing isn't creating any issues.
I'd say that some blackjack players have no idea what is tolerated and what is not. Because they haven't tried. As Otter said in Animal House,
All the real professionals just play the way they play, they don't go into a session trying to lose just to try to show that they don't know what they are doing. Heck, it's hard enough to win when you're trying, why try to downplay your skill? camouflaging in that way - losing a hand here and there intentionally - doesn't work anyway.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 21st, 2022 at 9:42:10 AM
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There are locals in Vegas I run into who tell me they are trying to win a set goal daily at table games. I see just as many doing this at Blackjack as Baccarat. Usually this daily win figure is $3000. I am not sure what is magical about that figure, but I hear it all the time. As far as I know, this is working for them as I see these players with the same big stacks of chips, usually around a $100K bankroll, all the time.
Discipline is required though, and setting a max loss goal of $3K when the win goal is $3K isn't going to work, as there are more times when a player will come back to win 3K after losing, as when the player will be ahead the whole time. It doesn't make sense to win 3K days on end and then suddenly dump 50 or more K, which is where the discipline comes into effect. Gotta preserve that bankroll for future wins.
Anyway, hang around the casinos long enough and you'll see some of these same faces in the high limit rooms grinding away. Which, I mean, 3K a day isn't exactly just a grind.
Discipline is required though, and setting a max loss goal of $3K when the win goal is $3K isn't going to work, as there are more times when a player will come back to win 3K after losing, as when the player will be ahead the whole time. It doesn't make sense to win 3K days on end and then suddenly dump 50 or more K, which is where the discipline comes into effect. Gotta preserve that bankroll for future wins.
Anyway, hang around the casinos long enough and you'll see some of these same faces in the high limit rooms grinding away. Which, I mean, 3K a day isn't exactly just a grind.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 21st, 2022 at 4:28:24 PM
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Quote: MDawg
Anyway, hang around the casinos long enough and you'll see some of these same faces in the high limit rooms grinding away. Which, I mean, 3K a day isn't exactly just a grind.
If I am not mistaken, $3k a day is a million dollars a year. That would be a good win for almost anyone.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
July 21st, 2022 at 7:10:53 PM
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I'll say!
Now, I don't know if these people are doing it or not (succeeding at the 3K per day consistently), and I don't know if they are playing with an edge or not, but I do know that I keep seeing their faces with stacks and stacks of chips in front of them, and they tell me that they are doing fine.
The first time I became aware of this sort of thing, I was just hanging around high limit after having finished my play, yapping with some of the dealers and pit bosses. I was face familiar with these two whom I had seen many times before, and I noticed that they stopped playing pretty quickly. I asked why, and that was when they told me that their goal is only 3K, and they come to the casino each time with 100K each to win that (3K for each of them, each day). And, actually, when I mentioned that my goal is usually much higher than that they asked what my bankroll was, and they felt that it was inadequate to win the amounts that I try to win.
And then, over time, I met many more such players, whose goals are more or less exactly the same, 3000 a day, and who have similar bankrolls. All of them are Vegas locals.
Now, I don't know if these people are doing it or not (succeeding at the 3K per day consistently), and I don't know if they are playing with an edge or not, but I do know that I keep seeing their faces with stacks and stacks of chips in front of them, and they tell me that they are doing fine.
The first time I became aware of this sort of thing, I was just hanging around high limit after having finished my play, yapping with some of the dealers and pit bosses. I was face familiar with these two whom I had seen many times before, and I noticed that they stopped playing pretty quickly. I asked why, and that was when they told me that their goal is only 3K, and they come to the casino each time with 100K each to win that (3K for each of them, each day). And, actually, when I mentioned that my goal is usually much higher than that they asked what my bankroll was, and they felt that it was inadequate to win the amounts that I try to win.
And then, over time, I met many more such players, whose goals are more or less exactly the same, 3000 a day, and who have similar bankrolls. All of them are Vegas locals.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:24:59 PM
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Quote: MDawgI'll say!
Now, I don't know if these people are doing it or not (succeeding at the 3K per day consistently), and I don't know if they are playing with an edge or not, but I do know that I keep seeing their faces with stacks and stacks of chips in front of them, and they tell me that they are doing fine.
The first time I became aware of this sort of thing, I was just hanging around high limit after having finished my play, yapping with some of the dealers and pit bosses. I was face familiar with these two whom I had seen many times before, and I noticed that they stopped playing pretty quickly. I asked why, and that was when they told me that their goal is only 3K, and they come to the casino each time with 100K each to win that (3K for each of them, each day). And, actually, when I mentioned that my goal is usually much higher than that they asked what my bankroll was, and they felt that it was inadequate to win the amounts that I try to win.
And then, over time, I met many more such players, whose goals are more or less exactly the same, 3000 a day, and who have similar bankrolls. All of them are Vegas locals.
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If they are risking a hundred grand to win $3000 they are losers over time.
When a gambler tells you he is doing fine, that is meaningless. Many gamblers won't admit when they are down. They want to act like they are James Bond or Superman.
And they must be risking a hundred grand otherwise why bring it along.
Anyone who can afford a hundred grand in chips has the means to replenish it when they lose. Hence you really can't just say they must be winning because they still have stacks of chips in front of them.
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:39:19 PM
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Anything is possible, but I tend to take people at their word, especially when I see them relaxed and playing regularly without breaking a sweat. Also, the fact that they get up and leave at 3K, tends to indicate that they're not trying to catch up from any big losses.
I mean, if I can win days on end, why can't others. Granted, I have spills every now and then, but then whenever I have a spill it isn't over trying to win 3K. I could win 3K a session in my sleep. But, if that day comes when I dump fifty grand or more, that would eat up all the profits from a half a month or so, which is why I try to get anywhere from 15-30K average per session, that way if the 50-60K loser day comes, it doesn't eat up more than a few days of profits.
You might be assuming that these 3K a day players are "system players" which is why you think they are risking their entire 100K to win 3K. I do not believe that they are system players, and neither am I a system player.
I mean, if I can win days on end, why can't others. Granted, I have spills every now and then, but then whenever I have a spill it isn't over trying to win 3K. I could win 3K a session in my sleep. But, if that day comes when I dump fifty grand or more, that would eat up all the profits from a half a month or so, which is why I try to get anywhere from 15-30K average per session, that way if the 50-60K loser day comes, it doesn't eat up more than a few days of profits.
You might be assuming that these 3K a day players are "system players" which is why you think they are risking their entire 100K to win 3K. I do not believe that they are system players, and neither am I a system player.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 22nd, 2022 at 8:08:22 AM
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Another thing the Strip majors have going on as far as comp'ed events - are events that have nothing to do with their casinos. You might be flown from home to wine country, taken to local sports stadium events in owner's boxes, race tracks in private suites, dinners at local restaurants, all that, if you are up for it and have the time. These sorts of off-site events are offered only by the top casinos in Vegas.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 22nd, 2022 at 12:00:53 PM
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The other day a host at one of the casinos I have not played at in a while called me, offering their largest suite to us. One of those properties with sister properties.
Shucks, they want their money back that badly? That's what my wife always says, that if they want a chance at winning their money back from me they have to step up the offers. But actually, it just has to do with theo - maintain that high average bet, win lose or draw, they will invite you back. I happen to win, but my theo is what it is - monstrous!
Shucks, they want their money back that badly? That's what my wife always says, that if they want a chance at winning their money back from me they have to step up the offers. But actually, it just has to do with theo - maintain that high average bet, win lose or draw, they will invite you back. I happen to win, but my theo is what it is - monstrous!
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 22nd, 2022 at 12:03:21 PM
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When going to the race track is it acceptable to wear a subtly patterned sports jacket with a patterned shirt? I think at the track, most anything goes!
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July 22nd, 2022 at 12:04:16 PM
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Maybe they just want their towels back
I’m pretty sure you never wear more than one patterned item. Otherwise it clashes
I’m pretty sure you never wear more than one patterned item. Otherwise it clashes
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July 22nd, 2022 at 12:07:15 PM
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Maybe he just wanted to steal our wire cutters. You ever think of that?
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July 22nd, 2022 at 12:08:21 PM
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I’m pretty sure you never wear more than one patterned item. Otherwise it clashes
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In general yes. At the track though I've seen some more outlandish shirt/blazer combos.
I'd post a pic but the shirt especially is designer distinctive and then the jerk offs would circle and download the pic and distribute it amongst themselves with an A.P.B. to look out.
Anyway, I think you're right, but I'm going for it anyway.
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July 22nd, 2022 at 3:00:45 PM
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Quote: MDawgWhen going to the race track is it acceptable to wear a subtly patterned sports jacket with a patterned shirt? I think at the track, most anything goes!
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I agree, anything goes.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
July 22nd, 2022 at 4:48:51 PM
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I assume you’ve won lots of money at the track? Occasional losses but a huge net winner over time would be my guess. It’s probably just a matter of raising your bets at the right timeQuote: MDawgWhen going to the race track is it acceptable to wear a subtly patterned sports jacket with a patterned shirt? I think at the track, most anything goes!
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PS everything looks good with a Platina and a pair of gators
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July 22nd, 2022 at 9:01:22 PM
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Anything definitely went at the track! The women were mostly dressed the same in colorful dresses trying to show off T & A, and the men had all different kinds of sports coats in just as many colors. I saw at least one other guy with a patterned shirt under a patterned sport coat. Hats galore on men and women.
As far as winning - I won by not betting, on any race. Horse race betting isn't my thing, unless I am with someone who knows what he is doing, and then I might dabble. Wife and I just had fun and enjoyed the scene. On the few races where I circled my projected winner on my program, would have lost.
Was nice being in a suite above it all, and we stayed in the outdoor section of the suite almost all the time. I think if you're serious about betting you're supposed to go down there and view the horses as they are being led out, but we weren't betting at all.
As far as winning - I won by not betting, on any race. Horse race betting isn't my thing, unless I am with someone who knows what he is doing, and then I might dabble. Wife and I just had fun and enjoyed the scene. On the few races where I circled my projected winner on my program, would have lost.
Was nice being in a suite above it all, and we stayed in the outdoor section of the suite almost all the time. I think if you're serious about betting you're supposed to go down there and view the horses as they are being led out, but we weren't betting at all.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 22nd, 2022 at 9:20:34 PM
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I assume it was Del Mar or Santa Anita track
What’s “T & A”?
What’s “T & A”?
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July 22nd, 2022 at 9:35:55 PM
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Do you know the Rolling Stones song Little T & A ? I'd spell it out but not sure if it may fly here at sometimes PG-13 rated WOV. Plunging necklines and tight but mostly short dresses. Most of the women were a little older, say, late thirties, forties, etc., but there were a few as young as my wife too. I didn't recognize any players from the tables, but I am sure there were some high rollers there, as well as smaller players, and of course, guests of invited guests.
As far as successful horse betting, I was in close contact years ago with a friend who would go to the track each day with five or six grand. Over all, I am pretty sure he lost, and was probably sustaining his track fix with other income, but he was frequently really good at picking exactas, trifectas, quinellas, boxed or not, and other bets that I know very little about. When I would be in Vegas I'd call him up and he'd give me a few tickets to put in for the day, and inevitably one of them would pay off pretty big (sometimes really big). My friend was the guy in line at the window that you knew knew something, and whom you'd ask for tips, which he would offer freely without losing a beat as he finished up deciding what he was going to bet for himself.
One thing I do recall from him, is that the earlier races tend to be more predictable versus later in the day when the "garbage" races where anything might happen are running. He'd also talk about the "gift" races where the favorite won, but he sometimes didn't bother betting because the payoff was too low.
And then I have a family member who is good at picking the winner in any race with under ten horses running. Not every time, but most of the time.
Neither was available to me today, so I just refrained from betting entirely, other than a few mind bets, that I lost. "Free hands" - so to speak. 😄
As far as successful horse betting, I was in close contact years ago with a friend who would go to the track each day with five or six grand. Over all, I am pretty sure he lost, and was probably sustaining his track fix with other income, but he was frequently really good at picking exactas, trifectas, quinellas, boxed or not, and other bets that I know very little about. When I would be in Vegas I'd call him up and he'd give me a few tickets to put in for the day, and inevitably one of them would pay off pretty big (sometimes really big). My friend was the guy in line at the window that you knew knew something, and whom you'd ask for tips, which he would offer freely without losing a beat as he finished up deciding what he was going to bet for himself.
One thing I do recall from him, is that the earlier races tend to be more predictable versus later in the day when the "garbage" races where anything might happen are running. He'd also talk about the "gift" races where the favorite won, but he sometimes didn't bother betting because the payoff was too low.
And then I have a family member who is good at picking the winner in any race with under ten horses running. Not every time, but most of the time.
Neither was available to me today, so I just refrained from betting entirely, other than a few mind bets, that I lost. "Free hands" - so to speak. 😄
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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July 22nd, 2022 at 9:55:38 PM
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To my knowledge, horse bet vigs are typically around 15%. Might as well play the lottery or Big Red
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July 23rd, 2022 at 6:54:11 AM
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Remarkably, I immediately recognised that quote, having watched the film earlier in the week!Quote: MDawgMaybe he just wanted to steal our wire cutters. You ever think of that?
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
July 23rd, 2022 at 7:12:14 AM
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Quote: Ace2To my knowledge, horse bet vigs are typically around 15%. Might as well play the lottery or Big Red
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Big Red? Is he running at Del Mar? Great horse and related to Swaps.
tuttigym
July 23rd, 2022 at 8:25:07 AM
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Horse racing / betting, it's for entertainment something to do. It was suggested once that I buy a horse for racing and I asked, Why, to make money, and the answer was No, to spend your money. You know, something along the lines of the two happiest days of a boat owner's life.
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July 23rd, 2022 at 10:49:48 AM
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I bet on the trifecta: High-Horn-Yo, Big Red and Two-Way-Yo. Only superstitious suckers understand the true meaning of those horse namesQuote: tuttigymQuote: Ace2To my knowledge, horse bet vigs are typically around 15%. Might as well play the lottery or Big Red
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Big Red? Is he running at Del Mar? Great horse and related to Swaps.
tuttigym
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July 23rd, 2022 at 10:52:51 AM
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Quote: Ace2I assume it was Del Mar or Santa Anita track
What’s “T & A”?
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T & A was a very famous and unbeaten two-quarter horse with huge stud fees.
tuttigym
July 23rd, 2022 at 10:54:10 AM
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Quote: Ace2I bet on the trifecta: High-Horn-Yo, Big Red and Two-Way-Yo. Only superstitious suckers understand the true meaning of those horse namesQuote: tuttigymQuote: Ace2To my knowledge, horse bet vigs are typically around 15%. Might as well play the lottery or Big Red
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Big Red? Is he running at Del Mar? Great horse and related to Swaps.
tuttigym
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Are those wagers "labeled" on the felt?
tuttigym
July 23rd, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM
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Quote: Ace2To my knowledge, horse bet vigs are typically around 15%. Might as well play the lottery or Big Red
high vig - true
but maybe the most successful gamblers in the history of the world used computer modeling to beat racing
the Alan Woods and Bill Benter team (they hired others) crushed Hong Kong racing - gigantic pools in Asia
estimates of their profits vary but all agree it was over $100 million
Woods passed in 2008 - his estate was estimated at $800 million - not all from betting racing
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-03/the-gambler-who-cracked-the-horse-racing-code
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https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/the-hundred-and-fifty-million-dollar-man-8366
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
July 23rd, 2022 at 11:17:27 AM
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Interesting. Horse betting markets must be very inefficient then, especially if such a large vig can be beaten
Compare that to NFL betting, for instance, where data shows that the lines are dead accurate over the long-term, except for a slight bias toward favorites
Compare that to NFL betting, for instance, where data shows that the lines are dead accurate over the long-term, except for a slight bias toward favorites
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July 23rd, 2022 at 11:25:59 AM
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Quote: Ace2Interesting. Horse betting markets must be very inefficient then, especially if such a large vig can be beaten
the win pools are very efficient
the exotic pools such as trifecta, superfecta, pick 6, etc. are often not efficient
the Benter/Woods team bet so big the racing authorities agreed to feed them info on how much was bet on each horse in all of the exotic pools and compared it to what they determined were the estimated correct odds for each horse
that info was not available to the public - so you could say they had an advantage - but not really - because even if the public had that info they wouldn't have been sharp enough to make use of it
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
July 23rd, 2022 at 11:32:28 AM
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That makes more sense. So they didn’t beat the odds just based on horse knowledge
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July 23rd, 2022 at 1:48:30 PM
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The house edge / vig isn't the be all and end all, otherwise every blackjack player who counts would win, and every baccarat player who plays with no advantage would lose.
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July 23rd, 2022 at 2:02:12 PM
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Quote: MDawgThe house edge / vig isn't the be all and end all, otherwise every blackjack player who counts would win, and every baccarat player who plays with no advantage would lose.
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I would say it differently. It is the be all end all. But it doesn’t predict a point. It predicts a distribution. And card counters and baccarat players have different distributions, with particular players at sometimes vastly places on that distribution far from the average.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
July 23rd, 2022 at 2:10:26 PM
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Quote: unJonQuote: MDawgThe house edge / vig isn't the be all and end all, otherwise every blackjack player who counts would win, and every baccarat player who plays with no advantage would lose.
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I would say it differently. It is the be all end all. But it doesn’t predict a point. It predicts a distribution. And card counters and baccarat players have different distributions, with particular players at sometimes vastly places on that distribution far from the average.
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In the old days after a jackpot and you cashed out, the slot tech would give you money to clear the jackpot off of the reels or screen. That was a true AP move.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
July 23rd, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM
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Wrong. And it doesn’t take millions of hands to be reasonably certain your results will be close to expectations. In the long run, every baccarat player is a loser because there is no advantage play for that gameQuote: MDawgThe house edge / vig isn't the be all and end all, otherwise every blackjack player who counts would win, and every baccarat player who plays with no advantage would lose.
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July 23rd, 2022 at 2:50:10 PM
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Luckily, that simply isn't true.
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July 23rd, 2022 at 2:55:30 PM
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"You're unlucky."
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