Can Baccarat and Roulette Be Beaten

Quote: rdw4potus

Went from a "friend" who "said" he did it

That's because I was coming from
years and years of being on GG
and making 16000 posts. I didn't
want anyone here to know I was
the same person. Not sorry that
it upset you, why on earth would I
care. Not sure why you care.

Quote: EvenBob

That's because I was coming from
years and years of being on GG
and making 16000 posts. I didn't
want anyone here to know I was
the same person. Not sorry that
it upset you, why on earth would I
care. Not sure why you care.

You started with a lie. Now you're crying that people don't believe your stories. Are you kidding me?

Quote: rdw4potus

You started with a lie. Now you're crying that people don't believe your stories.

WHOA!!!!! When have I EVER 'cried'
that people don't believe me? When
have I ever tried to convince anyone.
I just talk about it once in awhile.
Sometimes I go years without
mentioning it. If I wanted believers,
I could get them. I don't.

Quote: EvenBob

WHOA!!!!! When have I EVER 'cried'
that people don't believe me? When
have I ever tried to convince anyone.
I just talk about it once in awhile.
Sometimes I go years without
mentioning it. If I wanted believers,
I could get them. I don't.

Almost 25,000 posts. That's a lot of writing that's a lot of thinking.!

May I ask? What is it that you do want?

Quote: Marcusclark66

May I ask? What is it that you do want?

To be 25 again and look like
Tom Selleck/Tom Cruise.

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EB - I just want to get something clear -

back to your winning roulette methods

I believe you have stated in the past that you don't go to the casinos and clean up for big bucks because you don't care about making big bucks

but - correct me if I'm wrong - if you wanted to:

you could easily clean out casinos for hundreds of thousands or even millions

as long as they didn't stop you from playing - after realizing your amazing talents

is that about right?




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Quote: lilredrooster

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EB - I just want to get something clear -

back to your winning roulette methods

I believe you have stated in the past that you don't go to the casinos and clean up for big bucks because you don't care about making big bucks

but - correct me if I'm wrong - if you wanted to:

you could easily clean out casinos for hundreds of thousands or even millions

as long as they didn't stop you from playing - after realizing your amazing talents

is that about right?




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How could there be any other answer than Yes? Unless, the chips talk to the wheel and ball and tell them not to hit certain numbers because this guy is betting too much.

Quote: lilredrooster

EB - I just want to get something clear -

back to your winning roulette methods

I believe you have stated in the past that you don't go to the casinos and clean up for big bucks because you don't care about making big bucks

but - correct me if I'm wrong - if you wanted to:

you could easily clean out casinos for hundreds of thousands or even millions

as long as they didn't stop you from playing - after realizing your amazing talents

is that about right?

Anyone using his methods could earn hundreds of thousands or even millions every day. In the example he used in the first post in this thread, he was betting $5 and earned $150. In Las Vegas, he would have no problem making $5,000 bets, which would have resulted in earnings of $150,000. Could probably find (or negotiate) $50,000 bets somewhere. That would have meant earning $1.5 million.

The reason EB does not do anything close to that is because he does not think it is good for one person to accumulate that much wealth, based on what he has said in the past. If I am wrong about that, hopefully he explains things.

Why would anyone even start to believe EB can do what he claims. These games have been around for many years.
All of a sudden someone comes up with a way to beat both. LOL

Quote: TomG

The reason EB does not do anything close to that is because he does not think it is good for one person to accumulate that much wealth,.

Nope. It's an age thing.
If I was 30 it would be
totally different. Those
of you not 70 yet have
no idea how your world
changes and what you
can or want to accomplish.

Well I turn 66 in a few months and I'll still take all the money I can get.
Legally of course.

Quote: joedol

Well I turn 66 in a few months and I'll still take all the money I can get.

It's not about taking it, it's about what you have to go through to get it.

So the reason you choose to limit your table game income to three figures, when six or seven figures is easily available (and eight figures is possible) is because of age. Thanks for clearing that up.

Quote: EvenBob

It's not about taking it, it's about what you have to go through to get it.

The way you describe it here, it sounds like a matter of buying in at a table and making bets. What else is there that a person has to go through?

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/35611-can-baccarat-be-beaten/#post794049

So playing baccarat and roulette is that terrible for you.
You must have an extremely easy and comfortable life.

Quote: EvenBob

What about 10 years ago or however long its been, why didnt you crush the casinos then instead of jacking around? If you didn't want the money problems, why not win a boatload extra and donate it to charity or leave it in a trustfund for your cats and family members?

I know loose lips sink ships, but you seem to be mostly a landlubber nowadays, so that ship is going to eventully sink unless you designate somome else captain. I guess you and all your roulette secrets will be going down with the ship and you'll forever be known as a guy who thought he could beat roulette (and people will snicker to themselves) rather than the genius who proved it was possible.

Quote: AxelWolf

What about 10 years ago or however long its been, why didnt you crush the casinos then instead of jacking around? If you didn't want the money problems, why not win a boatload extra and donate it to charity or leave it in a trustfund for your cats and family members?

I know loose lips sink ships, but you seem to be mostly a landlubber nowadays, so that ship is going to eventully sink unless you designate somome else captain. I guess you and all your roulette secrets will be going down with the ship and you'll forever be known as a guy who thought he could beat roulette (and people will snicker to themselves) rather than the genius who proved it was possible.

Seems like you troll EvenBob and place negative labels on the man. Why?

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my favorite part of his claim is when he said it doesn't matter if the wheel he is playing has one or two zeroes

a true sportsman

willing to give the casino any edge that it falsely might think would cause him to lose

he could no doubt easily beat a wheel with 10 zeroes



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Quote: lilredrooster

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my favorite part of his claim is when he said it doesn't matter if the wheel he is playing has one or two zeroes

a true sportsman

willing to give the casino any edge that it falsely might think would cause him to lose

he could no doubt easily beat a wheel with 10 zeroes



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I suspect if the wheel was all zeroes he would have a system for beating using red and black

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Sheldon, from "The Big Bang Theory" has a winning roulette system

I have indeed read that your priorities change as you become old.

When you are young, you want to "accomplish," "acquire" and "experience."

When you become old, your priority becomes "longevity."

As you get very old, your top priority becomes " keeping your marbles."

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Dice systems?

Quote: DeMango

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Quote: gordonm888

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When you become old, your priority becomes "longevity."

Disagree. Your priority becomes not wasting
your time on ridiculous BS. Like watching
crappy reruns of shows you don't even like on TV.

This seems more apposite for your thread.

Quote: EvenBob

Now that I'm actually reading his posts, statements
like the above don't ring true for somebody who has
actually beaten the game. I would never make a
statement like that because it shows that I don't
understand the game I'm playing. It shows me he
doesn't understand the game he's playing, and the
only way to beat is to understand it. No inner voice
ever tells me to quit or play, that's ridiculous. I look
at what's going on and that tells me what to do. It's
like sitting at a stop sign, you don't listen to some
inner voice telling you to go or not. That's a good way
to get killed. You look at your surroundings and decide
if it's safe to go. Mdawg is trying too hard to sound like
a winner, too many holes in his 'story'.

Okay, I'll bite. Set aside Baccarat for now - you mean when you go up to an unbiased Roulette wheel that you KNOW with absolute certainty you are going to win?

Quote: MDawg

Okay, I'll bite. Set aside Baccarat for now - you mean when you go up to an unbiased Roulette wheel that you KNOW with absolute certainty you are going to win?

MDawg, Since you took the bait, I direct you to explore this rabbit hole of a thread...

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/2285-can-roulette-be-beaten/

I might be mistaken, but I understand that he later confessed that the friend he alluded to was actually himself from another POV. (correct me if I'm wrong)

Oh, and if that doesn't float your boat, maybe this thread will entertain you.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/21514-a-simple-math-question/

Quote: OnceDear

MDawg, Since you took the bait, I direct you to explore this rabbit hole of a thread...

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/2285-can-roulette-be-beaten/

I might be mistaken, but I understand that he later confessed that the friend he alluded to was actually himself from another POV. (correct me if I'm wrong)

Oh, and if that doesn't float your boat, maybe this thread will entertain you.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/21514-a-simple-math-question/

sadly my mind works like his - they way i see his logic is not over time - but at the moment

he is saying - and i know you all get this - that if you cover X numbers you will have an X out of 39 or 38 or 37 numbers and thats the math hes using

what im saying is - and what i think even bob wants to know is - when should we use the particular type of math so to say

maybe this will clear up every single thread he ever responded to?

Quote: heatmap

sadly my mind works like his - they way i see his logic is not over time - but at the moment

he is saying - and i know you all get this - that if you cover X numbers you will have an X out of 39 or 38 or 37 numbers and thats the math hes using

what im saying is - and what i think even bob wants to know is - when should we use the particular type of math so to say

maybe this will clear up every single thread he ever responded to?

Nope. You lost me at "What I'm saying"!

Quote: OnceDear

Nope. You lost me at "What I'm saying"!

he is saying if i cover X numbers out of X numbers at this moment i have an X percentage AT THIS TIME
he isnt saying - ive done the long term simulations

i would like to be more clear but im not sure as of this moment what is misunderstood and ill chime in when i think i know what is i guess

and whats confusing is that every spin is independent yet when a wheel is measured it takes into account the last 10k spins or so - and if independence is a thing then why would 10k spins matter - or whateve the number is that allows us to say a wheel is "fair"

Quote: MDawg

Okay, I'll bite. Set aside Baccarat for now - you mean when you go up to an unbiased Roulette wheel that you KNOW with absolute certainty you are going to win?

Isn't that what you claim to do in bac?
You say you never lose a session.

Quote: MDawg
Okay, I'll bite. Set aside Baccarat for now - you mean when you go up to an unbiased Roulette wheel that you KNOW with absolute certainty you are going to win?


EvenBob wrote:
"Isn't that what you claim to do in bac?
You say you never lose a session."


EvenBob, it appears that suddenly MDawg is calling a foul on you because the house odds against winning at Roulette is much more difficult to overcome than playing Baccarat. I believe that he is telling you that a line needs to be drawn at some point and he of all people is pulling the Math does not work card out in your case. Imagine that! Priceless!

EvenBob: I have posted about winning sessions and losing sessions. And the results at the end of each trip, and each year.

I posted video of some of the 2019 and 2020 WINS here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/23/#post760518
2020 (to date) Cosmo: 20,600
2019 Palms: 11,400
2019 Wynn: 44,125.

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And later, by popular demand (Boz asked for this), here are the rest:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/117/
2019 Cosmo: 11,150
2018 Cosmo: 3850
2019 T.I.: 48,350
2018 T.I.: 2200

Then the final 2020 WINS were posted here:
2020 wins (final):
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/278/#post793665
Win Wynn/Encore 2020 $77,180.
Win Palms/Green Valley Ranch 2020 $5195.
Win Venetian 2020 $31,270.
Win Cosmopolitan 2020 $20,600.
Win Treasure Island 2020 $700.

I’ve described losing sessions, such as
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/2/#post739653


So that’s more time than anyone has ever spent in the history of WOV answering any of your questions, do you have an answer for mine?

Quote: heatmap

he is saying if i cover X numbers out of X numbers at this moment i have an X percentage AT THIS TIME
he isnt saying - ive done the long term simulations

i would like to be more clear but im not sure as of this moment what is misunderstood and ill chime in when i think i know what is i guess

and whats confusing is that every spin is independent yet when a wheel is measured it takes into account the last 10k spins or so - and if independence is a thing then why would 10k spins matter - or whateve the number is that allows us to say a wheel is "fair"

Regardless of whether he's considering the next spin, or the longer term future of many spins is not significant.
Let's say he is only concerned with one spin and proposes to wager on one number on a single zero game. He might use his maths prowess to determine that he has EXACTLY a 1 in 37 chance of winning and that if he wins he will be rewarded with 35 new chips on top of his original one. Unless he can somehow determine that his probability is better than 1 in 37, then he's onto a -EV proposition. For him to know his probability is > 1 in 37, he would need some extra REAL information. I contend that he would not have that in any real world casino that he deigned to visit. Long term or one spin, the house edge is a constant and the ACTUAL outcome is a probabilistic property.

In another post, you ask why wheels are tested over 10,000 spins. That will be because the great number of spins would determine within a CALCULATED level of confidence how evenly distributed the outcomes are.
Test over only 1 spin, and they can have zero confidence that the outcome is random within acceptable parameters. Test over 36 spins and they would almost certainly not see every number come out the same number of times. So they'd have very low confidence that the wheel is random within acceptable parameters.Only by testing over a large number of spins can they satisfy themselves within x% probability of being correct that the outcomes are not more anomalous than some pre decided acceptable limit. I'm rubbish at statistics and chi squared tests etc, but these calculations of probability are just that. Not guesses. Not estimates. Calculations. The casino decides what risk they face that the observed results are too far from expectation and then they test for that against their observed sample.
Now, before you ask.... as the number of sampled spins increases, the NUMERICAL difference between the count of reds and blacks will tend to INCREASE. The NUMERICAL difference between the count of odds and evens will tend to increase. The probability of every number coming out the same number of times will tend to DECREASE. Only the ratios will tend to converge.
I don't recall any of EvenBob's posts where he explains how he can beat roulette, so I value his assertion that he can beat it on a par with the value I place on the existence of leprechauns.

So how many spins on the roulette wheel happen every hour. Because I was gonna bet on one number and win $50-$80 on it every time it hit before 70 spins. If I win, I start another 70 spins. Oh, I was mistaken, I thought this was a $2 table.

Quote: EvenBob

I've never looked at this thread. Mdawg claims
he beats bac? So what, lots of people do.
I beat it. I don't play it because I don't like
the company at bac tables. The casino
wayyyyyy favors certain people from
certain places and lets them get away
with breaking every rule. Screw that.

I remember in 2008 went to Four Winds
on the MI border. It was only me and the
bac dealer, and one other. I said to her I'm
going to make my $100 goal and leave.
About 15 hands later I'm $100 ahead
and the dealer is staring at me. She leans
in and in a low voice says, my advice is
if you want to play here, don't tell the pit
what your win goal is and then do it.
You won't be playing for long.

The same thing happened at Soaring
Eagle. I was staying there and drinking
vodka and playing bac for fun with
$5 bets. I was stupidly talking to the
dealer about how easy bac is to beat
and then beating it. I was up $150
(on $5 bets) and it was just me playing
and one other and this nasty pit lady finally
told us they were closing the table. All
I was doing was winning.

So if bac is Mdawg's game I totally believe
him. Beating bac isn't that hard, you have
to know when to bet and when not to.
Some shoes are total no bet shoes,
that's another reason I don't play. I like
to get in and get out, I don't have time
for periods of waiting for bets to appear.

Does anybody really think some of those
big casinos in Macao that have 800 bac
tables, with 400 of them active at any
one time, doesn't have people there
that have beaten the game? Of course
they do, really really clever players you
will neve catch. It's much easier to play
roulette where nobody is even suspecting
you can beat it.

So Bob just to understand since you started this thread and your claims, I just want to be clear myself. And I'm not trying to make fun or cause drama. I just truly want to understand and what I see is you're a technical and experienced baccarat professional along with knowing all the mathematical and statistics odds. You have beaten the game and you have made quite a bit of profits from it.

Am I correct?

You also do not play the game any longer because you don't like the type of people at the tables and you find it extremely boring even though you can make as much money as you want at playing the game.

Am I correct?

Quote: ChumpChange

So how many spins on the roulette wheel happen every hour. Because I was gonna bet on one number and win $50-$80 on it every time it hit before 70 spins. If I win, I start another 70 spins. Oh, I was mistaken, I thought this was a $2 table.

No. Sorry. This is the $5 table.