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February 2nd, 2021 at 8:57:01 PM permalink
I've never looked at this thread. Mdawg claims
he beats bac? So what, lots of people do.
I beat it. I don't play it because I don't like
the company at bac tables. The casino
wayyyyyy favors certain people from
certain places and lets them get away
with breaking every rule. Screw that.

I remember in 2008 went to Four Winds
on the MI border. It was only me and the
bac dealer, and one other. I said to her I'm
going to make my $100 goal and leave.
About 15 hands later I'm $100 ahead
and the dealer is staring at me. She leans
in and in a low voice says, my advice is
if you want to play here, don't tell the pit
what your win goal is and then do it.
You won't be playing for long.

The same thing happened at Soaring
Eagle. I was staying there and drinking
vodka and playing bac for fun with
$5 bets. I was stupidly talking to the
dealer about how easy bac is to beat
and then beating it. I was up $150
(on $5 bets) and it was just me playing
and one other and this nasty pit lady finally
told us they were closing the table. All
I was doing was winning.

So if bac is Mdawg's game I totally believe
him. Beating bac isn't that hard, you have
to know when to bet and when not to.
Some shoes are total no bet shoes,
that's another reason I don't play. I like
to get in and get out, I don't have time
for periods of waiting for bets to appear.

Does anybody really think some of those
big casinos in Macao that have 800 bac
tables, with 400 of them active at any
one time, doesn't have people there
that have beaten the game? Of course
they do, really really clever players you
will neve catch. It's much easier to play
roulette where nobody is even suspecting
you can beat it.
Last edited by: EvenBob on Feb 2, 2021
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February 2nd, 2021 at 9:14:55 PM permalink
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 2nd, 2021 at 10:05:29 PM permalink
I know I always listen to $5 bettors when they say how it's stupidly easy to beat a game.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 11:10:52 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

I know I always listen to $5 bettors when they say how it's stupidly easy to beat a game.



I was betting $5 because I was
done seriously playing roulette
and was having fun now. I was
drinking, which I never do when
playing for real money. $5 is
Monopoly money, and it was fun.

Again, does anybody seriously
think that in those big Macao
casinos that have hundreds of
active tables, that there aren't
at least a few players with an
edge. I know there are, I'm a
not serious bac player and
I have an edge. Bac is more a
game of knowing when not to
bet, or betting much less than
your average bet. It's a strategy
game.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 11:46:23 PM permalink
Well, thank God you were only playing $5. Look at how much heat you got. If you were green chipping they probably would have backroomed you and brought out the hammer.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 12:11:10 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Well, thank God you were only playing $5. Look at how much heat you got.



You think you're being sarcastic. I
saw the dealer and wicked pit
woman talking and they were
both looking straight at me
after the table closed. When
I went back a month later the
bac table had been removed
entirely. I think I was the final
straw. I asked them to open the
table that night and they wasted
a couple hours of a dealers time
just to lose money. There were
2 young girls playing too and I
was showing them where to bet
and they made money when they
listened to me. Of course that
wasn't all the time, they're women
and know far more than any mere
man..
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February 3rd, 2021 at 1:41:31 AM permalink
We are so blessed to have all these baccarat masters on the forum. How much do I have to pay you to teach me your ways? I want to learn!
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February 3rd, 2021 at 2:13:16 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

How much do I have to pay you to teach me your ways? I want to learn!



Figure it out yourself, put in the
due diligence needed and quit
looking for handouts. Took me
years.. Nobody wants to do the
actual work, they want a tell-all
book to take them by the hand.
Gamblers tend to be very lazy,
goes with the territory. I've never
been a gambler, I only play if
I know 100% that I own the game.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:17:18 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Figure it out yourself, put in the
due diligence needed and quit
looking for handouts. Took me
years.. Nobody wants to do the
actual work, they want a tell-all
book to take them by the hand.
Gamblers tend to be very lazy,
goes with the territory. I've never
been a gambler, I only play if
I know 100% that I own the game.

Just out of curiosity, how come in the history of gambling nobody's been able to successfully demonstrate beating -EV game over an adequate period of time, or show any math that proves you can? I get that some people might want to keep it themselves, however, we know there are enough people who want both fame and fortune. Showing it can be done would be fairly lucrative.

rule # 10: Betting systems: Methods of varying bet size, based on previous wins and losses, not only can't overcome the house edge, they can't even dent it. However,

if you're one of the many mathematically ignorant gamblers who think adding up negative numbers can result in a positive one,

please keep your comments restricted to the betting systems sty. Betting systems may not be offered for sale anywhere on the site.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 4:40:29 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

If MDawg's adventure stories were lies, then it would not be against forum rules to call them lies. Yet it is against forum rules to call them lies. Therefore his adventure stories cannot be lies.

I follow your logic, but precedent has been set here that even if an insult is 100% true, it is still a bannable offense. E.g., the banhammer has been wielded on more than one occasion where a troll was called a troll.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 6:12:13 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Just out of curiosity, how come in the history of gambling nobody's been able to successfully demonstrate beating -EV game over an adequate period of time, or show any math that proves you can? I get that some people might want to keep it themselves, however, we know there are enough people who want both fame and fortune. Showing it can be done would be fairly lucrative.

rule # 10: Betting systems: Methods of varying bet size, based on previous wins and losses, not only can't overcome the house edge, they can't even dent it. However,

if you're one of the many mathematically ignorant gamblers who think adding up negative numbers can result in a positive one,

please keep your comments restricted to the betting systems sty. Betting systems may not be offered for sale anywhere on the site.



Over/under is 2.5 on number of suspensions resulting from subsequent responses to EB’s post claiming he has beaten bac as well as roulette.

There are certainly possibilities to beat bac. Edge sorting. Hole carding. Dealer collusion. Marked cards. If you use one of those techniques, or possibly one I haven’t thought of, sure, it is possible to turn that -EV game positive. Just using hunches, following win streaks, etc... does not. Let the fun begin!
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February 3rd, 2021 at 6:57:18 AM permalink
I have been going to casinos for almost 30 years, and I have yet to have a single losing baccarat session! ;)
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February 3rd, 2021 at 8:33:41 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

I have been going to casinos for almost 30 years, and I have yet to have a single losing baccarat session! ;)




I got you beat by a mile. I spent a hundred days each year in casinos for decades, and have been going to casinos since the early 80's. I have yet to lose a single session to the casinos in all that time.

Some people say I don't play enough to have reached "the long term." Hogwash! I'm sitting at the baccarat tables every night, especially between 2 AM and 4 AM. I do have a system, though.

I only sit at those tables that are closed. The casinos say it's okay as long as I pay them an hourly rate and bring my own chips. One drawback -- they are a little tight on my comps.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 9:10:45 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Just out of curiosity, how come in the history of gambling nobody's been able to successfully demonstrate



You mean given away what they've
learned for free and kill it for
themselves? Is that what you mean?

Quote:

rule # 10: Betting systems: Methods of varying bet size



I don't do that, don't need to.
Casino's don't like it, gets you
noticed if you're winning a lot.

Quote:

if you're one of the many mathematically ignorant gamblers who think adding up negative numbers can result in a positive one,



Are you one of those who think 'only
math can beat a math game'.?
Just because you apply math
to a game doesn't mean it's
run by the math. The car you
drive can be totally broken
down into math. Tolerances and
ratios and laws of physics. How
much of all that do you need
to know to drive the car. Zero.

Quote:

please keep your comments restricted to the betting systems



I don't use a system, I use a method.
Where is the method section so I
don't further offend you..
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February 3rd, 2021 at 9:17:04 AM permalink
Shoot, I thought EvenBob was being facetious this whole time. I give people way too much credit, just as casinos give them way too much credit.

On the bright side, I did get a blog entry title out of this,

"A Madness to Their Methods"


Not sure I would ever have come up with that on my own.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 9:18:25 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

it is possible to turn that -EV game positive.



Just because it's a negative EV game
for you doesn't mean it's one for
everybody. Again, I totally believe
MDawg, I know for a fact you can
beat bac.

Edison was told he would never find
a filament for the light bulb that
would burn for very long. 3000
tries later, he found one. Science
believed nobody could beat the
4 min mile. Science believed in
the 19th century that no vehicle
could achieve a speed faster than
60 mph. There are people who
just do things, and people who
listen to all the naysayers and
don't even try. It's obvious
which group you belong to.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 9:27:36 AM permalink
Just make sure you keep your bets at $5. Those pit bosses are on the lookout for people with winning methods.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

Shoot, I thought EvenBob was being facetious this whole time. I give people way too much credit"

Really Redietz? You need to research his posts. Worth the time.
Quote: EvenBob

Just because it's a negative EV game
for you doesn't mean it's one for
everybody. Again, I totally believe
MDawg, I know for a fact you can
beat bac.

There are people who believe that Roulette and Baccarat have been mathematically proven to be -EV games
.
.
And there are people like EvenBob.

EvenBob hasn't espoused much nonsense about his roulette prowess for quite a while. I thought perhaps that he didn't want us to be reminded of some of his very many 'remarkable' (not in a kind way) previous posts.
But no. It looks like the EvenBob we know and love is still in his minority group.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 9:47:45 AM permalink
You'd keep things on the DL too if you were a feared methodist.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 9:59:28 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

Shoot, I thought EvenBob was being facetious this whole time. I give people way too much credit, just as casinos give them way too much credit.

On the bright side, I did get a blog entry title out of this,

"A Madness to Their Methods"


Not sure I would ever have come up with that on my own.


Just to save you some time, there is no point trying to reason with him.

Once EB decides the sky is actually green, he is the smartest guy in the room and everyone else who believes in blue skies is an idiot.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 10:06:17 AM permalink
What I don't understand is the same culprits who espouse being able to beat -ev games like roulette and Baccarat using nothing but luck, guesswork, money management etc...

Are the same people who vociferously denounce Advantage Play techniques.

Evenbob, MDawg and even Coach Belly who supports their ideas have notoriously stated my AP claims aren't true.

EB even said I made up the whole robbery (like I really can't imagine why someone would make up a story about being burglarized)

It seems to me if someone did manage to overcome house edge they would not feel compelled to also disparage legit mathematical means of AP.

Unless they know that the true AP understands how full of chocodiles they are and this is their only means to counter it
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February 3rd, 2021 at 10:54:49 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Just make sure you keep your bets at $5



I only make $5 bets for fun, when
I'm in a casino drinking and
staying there and don't care
about making mistakes. How
many more times do I have
to explain this to ya, do you
think.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 10:54:54 AM permalink
Quote:

Really Redietz? You need to research his posts. Worth the time.



Not really. The 16,000 posts I had
on Gamblers Glen were more
exciting.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:02:32 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

What I don't understand is the same culprits who espouse being able to beat -ev games like roulette and Baccarat using nothing but luck, guesswork, money management etc...

Are the same people who vociferously denounce Advantage Play techniques.



No Names. No insults

Maybe they just get a buzz out of being contrarians. It seemingly always has to be a polar argument. No grey scales. No standing in the middle ground. EVER.
It brings them purpose, attention and makes them a focal point.
Is it not possible that some of them could have an argument in an empty room? But give them a pulpit or a soapbox and they're good to go. Sadly we host their soapboxes too readily. We give them the room and those that engage them give them oxygen.

If you are a successful AP, maybe engage other AP's and those who might help you.
If you believe in Hocus Pocus, take it to a Hocus Pocus forum. Heck there are enough of them.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:05:51 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Not really. The 16,000 posts I had
on Gamblers Glen were more
exciting.

I've seen some of those doozies. I have my favourites here. Exciting is your word.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:11:11 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear


Maybe they just get a buzz out of being contrarians.



Exactly, contrarians, and the ATTENTION that comes along with it. (no names)
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:18:47 AM permalink
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Exactly, contrarians, and the ATTENTION that comes along with it. (no names)

And I can see how some of us are drawn to challenge their outrageous claims.
We fools feed them, extend their vanity threads, even get suspended for their entertainment. Look. It's happening here and now!
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:27:31 AM permalink
I wish EvenBob had let me know he wins at baccarat a few years sooner. I could have told him about that old James Randi challenge -- demonstrate paranormal abilities, and you get a million dollars. I actually saw one series of public tests for the prize in Las Vegas.

That million would have covered a lot of $5 bets. I'd do the math, but who cares about math?
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:27:58 AM permalink
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It brings them purpose, attention and makes them a focal point.



Just trying to stand up for
MDawg, he's given such
a hard time here. If you
think bac can't be beaten
you haven't tried really
hard. A couple hours in
one afternoon isn't trying,
it's a joke. But to most
people that's giving it all
they've got..

There's a guy from India
who makes the rounds of
the local casinos and has
taken hundreds of thousands
from them. He always bets
the $1000 max and often has
a shill next to him who bets
$1000 of his money. Because
the casino wants their money
back he gets to break that rule
of other people betting his
chips. He almost always wins,
and I've never seen him lose
more than 8-10 grand. If he's
losing he leaves. The casino
thinks he's on a winning streak,
I know he's beaten the game.

I take that back, he doesn't
always bet a grand, he bets
$100 sometimes when he's
not sure where the shoe is
going. Sometimes he doesn't
bet at all.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:38:35 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Just trying to stand up for
MDawg, he's given such
a hard time here. If you
think bac can't be beaten
you haven't tried really
hard. A couple hours in
one afternoon isn't trying,
it's a joke. But to most
people that's giving it all
they've got..

There's a guy from India
who makes the rounds of
the local casinos and has
taken hundreds of thousands
from them. He always bets
the $1000 max and often has
a shill next to him who bets
$1000 of his money. Because
the casino wants their money
back he gets to break that rule
of other people betting his
chips. He almost always wins,
and I've never seen him lose
more than 8-10 grand. If he's
losing he leaves. The casino
thinks he's on a winning streak,
I know he's beaten the game.

I take that back, he doesn't
always bet a grand, he bets
$100 sometimes when he's
not sure where the shoe is
going. Sometimes he doesn't
bet at all.



But where
does hydration
fit in?
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:40:54 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

But where
does hydration
fit in?



Ask Axel, that's his area.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 11:55:38 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

Quote: OnceDear

And I can see how some of us are drawn to challenge their outrageous claims.
We fools feed them, extend their vanity threads, even get suspended for their entertainment. Look. It's happening here and now!




You didn't really suspend kewlJ for that one, did you?

Yowza -- I'll go back to self suspension on principle.

I'll be starting up my own pseudo-clever site soon. I'll report when it's up and running. It'll have a few articles regarding this kind of baccarat mastery.



No. It was a political comment on the COVID thread.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 12:12:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Figure it out yourself, put in the
due diligence needed and quit
looking for handouts. Took me
years.. Nobody wants to do the
actual work, they want a tell-all
book to take them by the hand.
Gamblers tend to be very lazy,
goes with the territory. I've never
been a gambler, I only play if
I know 100% that I own the game.


Lmao EB I’m clearly mocking you 🤦‍♂️
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February 3rd, 2021 at 12:40:33 PM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

Lmao EB I’m clearly mocking you 🤦‍♂️



Because mocking what you don't
understand is so easy. Mark Twain
mocked Bell's telephone when
asked to invest on the ground
floor of the new product. He
thought it was a toy that had
no practical uses. He wasn't
laughing 10 years later when
Bell had a hit and Twain was
broke from dumping all
his money into a useless
type setting machine.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 12:42:00 PM permalink
I think that I will start using
only metered words on this site.
Then I can start writing like this;
its fun, if challenging to do.
Then I can look like bob, oh wow!

(that's iambic tetrameter)
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February 3rd, 2021 at 12:49:29 PM permalink
People with fringe beliefs are just going to get mocked. Alien abductees, flat earthers, baccarat methodists. If you're going to take a bizarre indefensible stance you're going to have to come up with a lot of non sequiturs to deflect the abuse.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 1:23:30 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I've never looked at this thread. Mdawg claims he beats bac? So what, lots of people do. I beat it. I don't play it because I don't like the company at bac tables. The casino wayyyyyy favors certain people from certain places and lets them get away with breaking every rule. Screw that.

I remember in 2008 went to Four Winds on the MI border. It was only me and the bac dealer, and one other. I said to her I'm going to make my $100 goal and leave. About 15 hands later I'm $100 ahead and the dealer is staring at me. She leans in and in a low voice says, my advice is if you want to play here, don't tell the pit what your win goal is and then do it. You won't be playing for long.

The same thing happened at Soaring Eagle. I was staying there and drinking vodka and playing bac for fun with $5 bets. I was stupidly talking to the dealer about how easy bac is to beat and then beating it. I was up $150 (on $5 bets) and it was just me playing and one other and this nasty pit lady finally told us they were closing the table. All I was doing was winning.

So if bac is Mdawg's game I totally believe him. Beating bac isn't that hard, you have to know when to bet and when not to. Some shoes are total no bet shoes, that's another reason I don't play. I like to get in and get out, I don't have time for periods of waiting for bets to appear.

Does anybody really think some of those big casinos in Macao that have 800 bac tables, with 400 of them active at any one time, doesn't have people there that have beaten the game? Of course they do, really really clever players you will neve catch. It's much easier to play roulette where nobody is even suspecting you can beat it.



I love everything about this post.

A few thoughts:
-This shows how great Las Vegas is. If a gambler tells the pit about their "win goals", and bets accordingly to reach it, the casino loves it and will give a lot of comps in the hopes they keep setting more and more of these "win goals".
-Being able to win $150 on $5 bets can easily be increased to winning $1,500 on $50 bets, or even $15,000 on $500 bets. And doing that in Las Vegas, will mean they keep the tables open for you, they won't close them.
-These facts about beating baccarat should end all ideas about MDawg's reports being inaccurate.
-EvenBob proves that certain methods do allow players to win regularly and consistently at baccarat (and roulette). It is like what Ed Thorpe did with blackjack in the 60s.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 1:36:31 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

I love everything about this post.

...
-These facts about beating baccarat should end all ideas about MDawg's reports being inaccurate.
-EvenBob proves that certain methods do allow players to win regularly and consistently at baccarat (and roulette). It is like what Ed Thorpe did with blackjack in the 60s.

TomG, you posted that without a hint of a Smiley or sarcasm tags. Nice one!
I must go through your earlier posts to assess what percentage of that was sincere. $:o)
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February 3rd, 2021 at 2:31:43 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

I love everything about this post.

A few thoughts:
-This shows how great Las Vegas is. If a gambler tells the pit about their "win goals", and bets accordingly to reach it, the casino loves it and will give a lot of comps in the hopes they keep setting more and more of these "win goals".
-Being able to win $150 on $5 bets can easily be increased to winning $1,500 on $50 bets, or even $15,000 on $500 bets. And doing that in Las Vegas, will mean they keep the tables open for you, they won't close them.
-These facts about beating baccarat should end all ideas about MDawg's reports being inaccurate.
-EvenBob proves that certain methods do allow players to win regularly and consistently at baccarat (and roulette). It is like what Ed Thorpe did with blackjack in the 60s.



They closed the tables on Phil Ivey. :)
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February 3rd, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM permalink
..........................



EvenBob: if it's true as you say that you can beat Bac and Roulette easily then one of these things must surely be true:





you are a multi-millionaire due to your gambling exploits


you are not a multi-millionaire due to your gambling exploits because you don't care about being fantastically wealthy




there is also (although I admit it's a very distant third possibility, a true longshot) that you are not a multi-millionaire from your gambling exploits because you can't really easily beat bac and roulette - it's all just a fantasy - although you may actually believe it's true




but again, I will state, there's not much of a chance of this being true - I just mention it to cover all bases




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February 3rd, 2021 at 2:44:48 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You mean given away what they've
learned for free and kill it for
themselves? Is that what you mean?



I don't do that, don't need to.
Casino's don't like it, gets you
noticed if you're winning a lot.



Are you one of those who think 'only
math can beat a math game'.?
Just because you apply math
to a game doesn't mean it's
run by the math. The car you
drive can be totally broken
down into math. Tolerances and
ratios and laws of physics. How
much of all that do you need
to know to drive the car. Zero.



I don't use a system, I use a method.
Where is the method section so I
don't further offend you..

But even a guy like you admitted, he doesn't Kill it. Aside from that, there are always people out there who are not in it for the money. There have been many people who claim they can beat various -EV games. When asked why they don't bet more and make significant amounts of money. They claim they are not in it for the money. We have also seen multiple instances where someone actually has a provable +EV situation who seem to be chomping at the bit to tell the world about it. Certainly, you can't be the only one out there that's figured out how to beat roulette in the way that you claim.

There are enough casinos with Roulette that you would get away with it for the rest of your life. The casinos are actually targeting card counters, and yet, there are still high profile card counters out there playing 30+ years later. You would amass a fortune long before the gig was up, and even then there would still be places you can play.

Yes, I'm one of those guys who thinks that only Math can gain you an advantage and beat casinos games over a significant amount of plays, especially if you are basically flat betting.

I think we have went over this all before. If your method actually works it's due to some type of biased wheel or wheel/dealer clocking, which is all based on math(see your own car analogy). If that's the case, what does that have to do with MDawg and believing his claims? He has claimed that he doesn't have a mathematical advantage, he himself has used the word system. his explanation of how he plays fits the textbook definition of a betting system. So, do you believe betting systems also work? So, betting systems work, methods work, AP works, just getting lucky works. Holy F***, how are the casinos still in business?

I may not know all the science and math that makes every aspect of a car work, however, many people have actually done all the science and math behind what makes cars work. Cars are specifically designed to operate for for those who don't know all those things, just like the computer you're using. So when someone's asked about the science or math behind it, there are sources out there one can point to for those answers. Do you have any sources you can point to regarding your method? We have have math and science that can disprove any betting system, or so called methods that don't actually work.

Giving your car analogy, am I to understand that is basically a description of your situation? You're not sure exactly how or why it works, you just to know enough to know in your heart that it actually works, given your results?
A method is based on math. If you don't have the math to back that up, then claiming it's a method, and not a just some betting system doesn't cut the mustard.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:02:15 PM permalink
Quote Axel:
"There are enough casinos with Roulette that you would get away with it for the rest of your life. The casinos are actually targeting card counters, and yet, there are still high profile card counters out there playing 30+ years later. You would amass a fortune long before the gig was up, and even then there would still be places you can play."

As far as Counting goes never in history has there been as many opportunities for counters.
Card rooms and casinos litter the Country, however as we know much easier & more lucrative
opportunities exist.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:12:24 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

Quote: TomG

I love everything about this post.

A few thoughts:
-This shows how great Las Vegas is. If a gambler tells the pit about their "win goals", and bets accordingly to reach it, the casino loves it and will give a lot of comps in the hopes they keep setting more and more of these "win goals".
-Being able to win $150 on $5 bets can easily be increased to winning $1,500 on $50 bets, or even $15,000 on $500 bets. And doing that in Las Vegas, will mean they keep the tables open for you, they won't close them.
-These facts about beating baccarat should end all ideas about MDawg's reports being inaccurate.
-EvenBob proves that certain methods do allow players to win regularly and consistently at baccarat (and roulette). It is like what Ed Thorpe did with blackjack in the 60s.

They closed the tables on Phil Ivey. :)



Las Vegas did not. The casinos here would gladly let him play, just as they would gladly let EvenBob play.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:17:19 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Giving your car analogy, am I to understand that is basically a description of your situation? You're not sure exactly how or why it works, you just to know enough to know in your heart that it actually works, given your results?
A method is based on math. If you don't have the math to back that up, then claiming it's a method, and not a just some betting system doesn't cut the mustard.



Quote: EvenBob

I said to her I'm going to make my $100 goal and leave. About 15 hands later I'm $100 ahead and the dealer is staring at me.



Buy in at the tables for a certain amount of money. Leave the table after winning $100. That is a math based method.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:19:02 PM permalink
Quote: TomG



-EvenBob 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐬 that certain methods do allow players to win regularly and consistently at baccarat (and roulette). It is like what Ed Thorpe did with blackjack in the 60s.




EvenBob obviously knows more and has accomplished much more than Edward O. Thorp ever did in gambling

it's so unfair that Thorp will go down in history as having achieved one of gambling's greatest ever accomplishments, while EvenBob is largely unknown outside of WOV and diversitytomorrow.com

I'm going to make a prediction

I predict that before long EvenBob will be known worldwide for his accomplishments and knowledge of how to easily beat Bac and Roulette

because before long he will reveal in depth his secret, fabulous systems - if you research his posts here you will see he has already given us a few tidbits - such as the power of betting on streaks

and he will garner much more recognition and admiration than Edward O. Thorp ever did




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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:25:38 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

It is like what Ed Thorpe did with blackjack in the 60s.



It's nothing like what Thorpe did, he
was a traitor. He ruined the game
for the people playing it by writing
his stupid book. They begged him
not to, he didn't care. His ego was
far more important.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:28:16 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It's nothing like what Thorpe did, he
was a traitor. He ruined the game
for the people playing it by writing
his stupid book. They begged him
not to, he didn't care. His ego was
far more important.




don't stop there EB

tell everyone that his methods were way, way, way overrated

nowhere near as good as your betting on streaks thing




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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:41:30 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It's nothing like what Thorpe did, he was a traitor. He ruined the game for the people playing it by writing his stupid book. They begged him not to, he didn't care. His ego was far more important.



He wrote about it in a book, you write about it on the internet. There are some similarities and some differences.
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:48:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

you can't be the only one out there that's figured out how to beat roulette in the way that you claim.



I wonder about that all the
time. There's no way of
knowing. I'm never the
smartest person in the room,
and I did it. Pull a Thorpe
and write a book about it
and it's over.

Quote:

A method is based on math.



Which method, not mine. I had
an uncle who had a method for
finding dear in hunting season.
No math involved.

meth·od
a particular form of procedure for accomplishing or approaching something

Has nothing to do with math.
You can explain a casino game
with math, doesn't mean only
math can beat it. I played a
practice session today as usual
and got one wrong in 16 bets.
Your 'math' would say that's
impossible. But I did it anyway
because the math has nothing
to do with it.

I have no interest in being wealthy,
I don't see the point of it. 40 years
ago, maybe. Now it would just be
more crap to worry about, who
needs that. People only think
being rich would make them happy,
they have no idea.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 3rd, 2021 at 3:53:27 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

- such as the power of betting on streaks



Streaks are few and far between. All
I said about them is never bet against
them, that way you will only lose once,
when it ends. People always think
they're smarter than the streak.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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