Quote: beachbumbabsI call 'em as I see 'em. And I don't think it's bullying to call out belittling trash talk against other members. His previous insults were directed at posts people had made, but these are directed at people he doesn't like, themselves. That's where I've drawn the line many times. And I'm drawing it there this time, too.
I don’t disagree with a word you wrote, BUT what got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.
Quote: DeMangoI don’t disagree with a word you wrote, BUT what got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.
I stand with BBB. I have tried to politely interact with MD and his responses have been less than polite. The other members have called out his outrageous claims as..... outrageous claims! If you want to call that bullying we can agree to disagree......
As is often the case, the suspension meted out by BBB is due to the sum of many posts, not any single one.
Quote: SOOPOOThe other members have called out his outrageous claims as..... outrageous claims! If you want to call that bullying we can agree to disagree......
You note outrageous claim. Possibly. Have you seen him play? Does the Martingale, for example never work? Have you blocked him? Disagreement is not bullying, continuing snarky comments are. My point is that, for example, we suspend Axel, for these two weeks, we might in the future reduce the bullying.
My point is that behavior modification is due for semi professional posters on this board.
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Quote: DeMangoI don’t disagree with a word you wrote, BUT what got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.
I can't disagree with anything you wrote here, either. More of a "mean girls" culture than "bullying", but pervasive and cringe-worthy overall.
I'm in favor of him taking us along for the ride, whether fact or fiction, but for me, the conflict comes when he credits his success to a gambling system that is patently unsound. It just feeds the susceptible non-math-based fantasies of the GenPop, which we are supposed to be educating.
He takes it a step further by ignoring any factual rebuttal, and advising other posters in blog comments and baccarat threads to apply his Gambler's Fallacies, and draws disparagement from people who have given up on refuting his claims, but who still are addressing his posts, not him, now in a derogatory fashion.
He then gets defensive, still mistaking variance for viability, and mistaking debunking substance for resentment or envy, and makes it personal by addressing individual detractors of his system in belittling and condescending descriptors, bragging about blocking the naysayers, all the rest.
This is where I step in.
He did not understand the difference last time. He likely won't understand it this time, though I keep trying to explain.
How many times have we seen this downward spiral from system players? 20? 30? 100? Some politely persist, some blow up, most either leave or learn. But it seems to need to play itself out every time.
Quote: DeMangoYou note outrageous claim. Possibly. Have you seen him play? Does the Martingale, for example never work? Have you blocked him? Disagreement is not bullying, continuing snarky comments are. My point is that, for example, we suspend Axel, for these two weeks, we might in the future reduce the bullying.
My point is that behavior modification is due for semi professional posters on this board.
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He has said that it’s a fact that varying bet size cancels out the effects of the house edge.
He has also said that if gamblers would just walk away from sessions while ahead at -EV games, casinos would immediately go bankrupt.
He has also said that knowing when banker or player is due based on the prior pattern is the basis to his lifetime of consistent winning.
If people like that were welcomed to the board and encouraged to continue posting their nonsense, and were immune to being called out on their b.s. , then what would the purpose of the board be? It’s a forum that’s connected to a web site meant to educate and make people smarter bettors. If someone new joined the forum, who was interested in playing baccarat, and they see this guys incorrect theories being posted without rebuke , who does that help ?
If it makes him feel better to post mathematically unsound ideas as facts and block anyone who says otherwise , then let him do it at another board. Maybe in the next two weeks he’ll find a place for it.
Is MDawg permabanned yet? Or can we still not insult him yet?
I have to also respectfully disagree. I have reread this thread, and with the possible exception of PG's 'friends' comment and Axel's response, I didn't find any snark. Perhaps you and I see snark differently.Quote: DeMangowhat got us to this point, is the non stop snarky comments, that I and others recognize as “soft” bullying, which eventually leads to what we have here.
But IMHO, what got us to this point was the hostility in the OP's posts. I'd invite you to read his response to the first comment about his trip back on Page 1. I found this to be insulting not only to the commenter, but to the forum as a whole.
Perhaps. I'll agree with you that this place can occasionally get a little "clique-y," but I don't think that was the issue in this particular case.Quote:My point is that behavior modification is due for semi professional posters on this board.
Quote: michael99000He has said that it’s a fact that varying bet size cancels out the effects of the house edge.
He has also said that if gamblers would just walk away from sessions while ahead at -EV games, casinos would immediately go bankrupt.
He has also said that knowing when banker or player is due based on the prior pattern is the basis to his lifetime of consistent winning.
If people like that were welcomed to the board and encouraged to continue posting their nonsense, and were immune to being called out on their b.s. , then what would the purpose of the board be? It’s a forum that’s connected to a web site meant to educate and make people smarter bettors. If someone new joined the forum, who was interested in playing baccarat, and they see this guys incorrect theories being posted without rebuke , who does that help ?
If it makes him feel better to post mathematically unsound ideas as facts and block anyone who says otherwise , then let him do it at another board. Maybe in the next two weeks he’ll find a place for it.
This is an excellent post! Well said.
He has all the... so called bullies blocked, so how could it have worked?Quote: DeMangoWho says bullying doesn’t work? It just did. Maybe if the bully’s would share the two week suspension, the bullying on this site might lessen.
I think it's called Twitter.Quote: michael99000Maybe in the next two weeks he’ll find a place for it.
Quote: AxelWolfI think it's called Twitter.
Uh oh, I just logged in and first thing I saw was the dreaded brown ink. lol Poor guy, I thought he was harmless.
Anyway, just fyi, Twitter is banning all kinds of folks. Especially if you lean to the Right. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's youtube. I dunno, I can't keep up. I still miss Alex Jones. Hey that would be cool if he was a member here. He and Babs would hit it off great.
Quote: bobbartopUh oh, I just logged in and first thing I saw was the dreaded brown ink. lol Poor guy, I thought he was harmless.
Anyway, just fyi, Twitter is banning all kinds of folks. Especially if you lean to the Right. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's youtube. I dunno, I can't keep up. I still miss Alex Jones. Hey that would be cool if he was a member here. He and Babs would hit it off great.
I find myself leaning more and more to the right.
however I have ascribed that to a limp caused by my Gouty left leg
Quote: darkozI find myself leaning more and more to the right.
however I have ascribed that to a limp caused by my Gouty left leg
Do you prefer the left or right side of the bus? Front or back? Window or aisle?
Quote: MaxPenDo you prefer the left or right side of the bus? Front or back? Window or aisle?
right, front, window.
one of my most powerful AP moves - allows me to see the casino before I arrive so I can gauge how powerful the Baccarat tables are
EDIT: that's a joke for those who cant tell
Replace Baccarat tables with roulette tables and it's no longer a joke.Quote: darkozright, front, window.
one of my most powerful AP moves - allows me to see the casino before I arrive so I can gauge how powerful the Baccarat tables are
EDIT: that's a joke for those who cant tell
See Dark's roulette system inquiries way back when.
Also see his super duper bonus round perdiciabilliy claims.
Quote: AxelWolfReplace Baccarat tables with roulette tables and it's no longer a joke.
See Dark's roulette system inquiries way back when.
Also see his super duper bonus round perdiciabilliy claims.
inquiries are inquiries. I never claimed a winning roulette system.
As for bonus round predictions I always stated that it did not overcome the house edge for various reasons.
My AP is strictly based on realistic methods.
NOW I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT ME DISCUSSING THEM HERE TO PROVE A POINT AND EXPOSE MULTICARD PLAYS, DO YOU?
Quote: darkozinquiries are inquiries. I never claimed a winning roulette system.
As for bonus round predictions I always stated that it did not overcome the house edge for various reasons.
My AP is strictly based on realistic methods.
NOW I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT ME DISCUSSING THEM HERE TO PROVE A POINT AND EXPOSE MULTICARD PLAYS, DO YOU?
Are you still plugging away at cracking roulette?Quote: darkoz
And I would like to say that it's much harder breaking into Hollywood than it is winning Roulette. At least for me, it has.
But, I'll keep plugging away at both.
Are you still convinced you can predict when non accumulating(something part of the design such as Scarabs) slots bonus rounds are coming?
If you are looking for an excuse to expose stuff and get some attention with someone to blame that's on you. Would that be cutting off your nose to spite MY face? For the record, I have never suggested you don't play with an advantage using a solid method. I'm certain you do have a significant advantage and make money using your method. I don't even think others have disputed that.
I think the fact that you claim you're the most for your AP on the other coast (Whatever that's actually supposed to mean) I think you intentionally use the word feared since that's a bit subjective and you can claim it means just about anything. Of course, we all know what most everyone would interpret that Into being the best. It's carefully chosen word so you can actually imply that and yet you can claim you never implied that but it was others who did.
I also think the ease and amounts that you insinuate you are making seem much greater than the reality of the situation. If you're making three, four or five hundred thousand + a year I highly suggest you just keep making it if not encourage competition, especially since it's doubtful you're doing something extra special many others can't figure out and are not currently doing. If it's as good as you say and the more you keep adjusting that eventually if it's true you'll be faced with a much bigger more organized team that'll come in and rape it silly hurting the casinos bottom lines significantly forcing them all to change things.
Quote: AxelWolfAre you still plugging away at cracking roulette?
Are you still convinced you can predict when non accumulating(something part of the design such as Scarabs) slots bonus rounds are coming?
If you are looking for an excuse to expose stuff and get some attention with someone to blame that's on you. Would that be cutting off your nose to spite MY face? For the record, I have never suggested you don't play with an advantage using a solid method. I'm certain you do have a significant advantage and make money using your method. I don't even think others have disputed that.
I think the fact that you claim you're the most for your AP on the other coast (Whatever that's actually supposed to mean) I think you intentionally use the word feared since that's a bit subjective and you can claim it means just about anything. Of course, we all know what most everyone would interpret that Into being the best. It's carefully chosen word so you can actually imply that and yet you can claim you never implied that but it was others who did.
I also think the ease and amounts that you insinuate you are making seem much greater than the reality of the situation. If you're making three, four or five hundred thousand + a year I highly suggest you just keep making it if not encourage competition, especially since it's doubtful you're doing something extra special many others can't figure out and are not currently doing. If it's as good as you say and the more you keep adjusting that eventually if it's true you'll be faced with a much bigger more organized team that'll come in and rape it silly hurting the casinos bottom lines significantly forcing them all to change things.
Do you really keep records of quotes from other members, lol?
I pretty certain I meant "beat casinos" than "win at roulette" However I did go through a period where I used red/black at roulette to generate comps so that is probably where the mispoken intent came from.
I chose the word "feared" because casinos on the East Coast have been discussing me and my play, and attributing a few correct but mostly incorrect data on me. I am privy to much of this internal communications because of discovery in court.
If a group of casinos has you that much in their sights then they fear you, at least for the financial harm I can do to them (all legal under the law which makes them fear me even more)
You imply I am being sneaky with my choice of words but that is your reading into it a boast I didnt make. I never claimed to be the best or even most successful. What I claimed was right on the button of what I meant
Quote: AxelWolf
Are you still convinced you can predict when non accumulating(something part of the design such as Scarabs) slots bonus rounds are coming?
Ooh, I wanna piece of this action.
Quote: bobbartopOoh, I wanna piece of this action.
slot machines are somewhat predictable with bonus rounds.
Axel seems to think I am claiming that I know on the very next spin its going to be a bonus round.
a gross misinterpretation of what I am saying.
I have also observed it works mostly if not entirely on class II machines.
It also does not overcome house edge.
Just because MDawg is in red doesn't mean you can hijack his thread. Go challenge (and respond) in one of darkoz's threads if you've got more to say.
Quote: beachbumbabsGuys.
Just because MDawg is in red doesn't mean you can hijack his thread. Go challenge (and respond) in one of darkoz's threads if you've got more to say.
Sorry 'bout that.
Quote: WatchMeWinLooks like my Vegas photos! lol
I’m sure it does 🙄
By the same token, EvenBob states for the record that AlexWolf wouldn't know a thing about Bacc because he's never really played the game.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/21350-baccaratfrom79s-response-to-the-board/20/#post441457
Anyway, this latest trip continues well, and no the chips below do not represent a mere pull against my line, and yes this watch is just another of many many of mine and no it is not a fake. For my Gambling Adventures during my Wiz hiatus I found a different venue, not my own, but one with a friendly Admin. that gave me my own corner. Thank you BBB.
The pit boss where I am playing the current segment of the trip (different from the casino represented in the above photo, which represents the first segment of this ongoing trip), said they have me logged at 110 hours play this year alone, with ahead for the year, and ahead lifetime.
You mean all the Folex watches don't do it for you?Quote: sabreI'm super jealous of that watch and those chips. That picture makes me envy and admire you as a gambler and as a human being. You are truly an excellent man.
But, on the other hand, sometimes, you have to say, "What the f*ck."
Make your move.
That's one thing I've learned in all my years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJXpLIcw6PY
Quote: RSHow many watches do you take with you when you go to Vegas?
The better question is how many does he leave with?
If you take a look at the Baccarat tables in Vegas at some of the casinos you'll see a half million or more in watches collectively at the table at any given time. Not so much with the Asian players though most of them wear very cheap watches, or no watch at all, but some of the American and especially most all of the European or Middle Eastern players generally sport something that costs a good sum.
All are insured and some have a GPS tracker hidden on them when stored, plus into the cases where they are stored. I take extra measures when traveling.
Quote: AxelWolfYou mean all the Folex watches don't do it for you?
True story! My mother worked in Manhattan for many years. Bought a watch on the street for $20. It was beautiful, and looked like the brand it was made to copy. I asked her what brand it was. Her answer?
It’s a Bolex! The R in Rolex was ‘closed’ to look more like a B!
She loved her Bolex.
I have so many stories about fake Rolexes, I wouldn't even know where to start.Quote: SOOPOOTrue story! My mother worked in Manhattan for many years. Bought a watch on the street for $20. It was beautiful, and looked like the brand it was made to copy. I asked her what brand it was. Her answer?
It’s a Bolex! The R in Rolex was ‘closed’ to look more like a B!
She loved her Bolex.
Whenever I'm approached with the Rolex scam I quickly cut them off and let them know they know what the deal is and ask him what the Rock Bottom price is. If they make me a fair deal I'll buy a few so they can make a small profit.
I've given them away as gifts to people obviously letting them know they're fake. Some people think it's pretty cool having one, even though it's fake. There are people that are willing to pay two or three hundred dollars for good quality fake Rolex. My nephew was begging me to send me all my fakes because all of his friends we're willing to pay a decent amount for a fake one.
I've gotten some really good looking replicas for $40 with sweeping movement.
I have one sitting in the junk drawer somewhere and my wife has one in her jewelry box.
It would be almost impossible to tell a good fake from a real one buy just looking at a picture especially from the front side.
Way too obvious.Quote: GWAEYesterday was 39th anniversary of mgm fire. Mdawg you said back in your heyday you were in Vegas all time. Did you get to witness that tragedy by happenstance?
Quote: GWAEYesterday was 39th anniversary of mgm fire. Mdawg you said back in your heyday you were in Vegas all time. Did you get to witness that tragedy by happenstance?
I was living across the street from the DuPont Plaza in San Juan for the fire. We were drinking on the balcony enjoying the fire until they started bringing out body bags by the score. Worst thing I ever saw until 2001.
But I was staying at Bellagio when Caesar's was on fire, this is the pic I took from my penthouse, as I recall, 2001.
Axel, if you post a pic of any of those fake Rolexes at any online watch forum anyone there will immediately detect that it is a fake. What might look indistinguishable to the real thing to you, is obviously fake to anyone who knows Rolexes. I'd go over all the nuances, but it would take a small paragraph. Actually, give anyone who knows, a good pic of the front of the watch and he will be able to tell easily whether it is real or fake. The BACK of the Rolex is where it might be harder to tell, as there is no writing on the back (except on some very, very old Rolexes) and less tell tale signs of replica, but still the crown would be visible and anyone in the know may tell the difference between the real Rolex crown and replica. On the other hand, I will agree that flashed in an instant on one's wrist, it is harder to tell the real from the fake, but one thing about real versus fake that anyone with jewelry experience may tell easily in person, is the difference between precious metals (platinum, gold) and for example fake gold-tone crapola. Platinum especially, in person, anyone experienced may tell the difference between it and say, stainless steel, just visually notwithstanding that platinum weighs a ton compared to even 18K gold.
Most fake watches just try to imitate something in stainless steel, because it isn't worth the price of gold or platinum to place these precious metals into a worthless fake, nor are there any imitations to precious metals that look anything like the real thing.
And then towards the end of my session my shoe got bad so I moved to another table with a few K leaving most of my chips at the first table, and she actually said "you can't do that" as in can't have chips at two tables. I literally laughed in her face and told her "I'll do what I want." What a silly ___.
What bothers me about the whole affair is the negative energy it will create to have a showdown with her over anything that should really, be none of her business. Do they tell craps players to be quiet when they're winning?
I thought I was on block???Quote: MDawgMGM fire was before my time.
But I was staying at Bellagio when Caesar's was on fire, this is the pic I took from my penthouse, as I recall, 2001.
Axel, if you post a pic of any of those fake Rolexes at any online watch forum anyone there will immediately detect that it is a fake. What might look indistinguishable to the real thing to you, is obviously fake to anyone who knows Rolexes. I'd go over all the nuances, but it would take a small paragraph. Actually, give anyone who knows, a good pic of the front of the watch and he will be able to tell easily whether it is real or fake. The BACK of the Rolex is where it might be harder to tell, as there is no writing on the back (except on some very, very old Rolexes) and less tell tale signs of replica, but still the crown would be visible and anyone in the know may tell the difference between the real Rolex crown and replica. On the other hand, I will agree that flashed in an instant on one's wrist, it is harder to tell the real from the fake, but one thing about real versus fake that anyone with jewelry experience may tell easily in person, is the difference between precious metals (platinum, gold) and for example fake gold-tone crapola. Platinum especially, in person, anyone experienced may tell the difference between it and say, stainless steel, just visually notwithstanding that platinum weighs a ton compared to even 18K gold.
Most fake watches just try to imitate something in stainless steel, because it isn't worth the price of gold or platinum to place these precious metals into a worthless fake, nor are there any imitations to precious metals that look anything like the real thing.
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I was talking without being able to see the movement.
Anyone can look up on YouTube video and take a crash course in detecting fakes. Any decent one most people probably can't tell from just a photo taken and post up here.
For anybody interested in the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upAJE_XhT2Y
The movement isn't integral to figuring out fake or not, just a good clear still photo of the front and most anyone who knows may tell real or not. There are a lot of tell tale signs on and aspects to the dial, crown, case that give it away, if you know what to look for.
The good fakes have Japanese sweep movement in them and sweep just like the real ones.
Tell ya' what, take a very good still photo of your fake Rolex and post it in one of the watch forums. Not one person there will be fooled, and you'll get an education in what to look for.
(In that video you posted I could tell which one was fake instantly, just from the circular sweep grooving in the sub-dials.) PLUS in that video you are taking about a fake that costs a couple THOUSAND dollars. I actually have that exact watch, the real one, a Daytona with the ceramic dial, and mine cost about twenty grand, and that was a very good deal. I can't see someone paying thousands of dollars for a great fake that still, end of the day, is a fake. Your typical Rolex fake costs fifty bucks and looks ridiculous.
And by the way, just as I mentioned above, that "great" (but still detectable) fake you posted in your video there is stainless steel. That's as far as they'll go with the fakes, imitating stainless steel watches, they're not going to slam that fake movement and dial into a block of platinum or 18K gold, no way.
Also, just as it says at the end of your video, and this answers sabre's question, "You can fake the watch, but can you fake the way it makes you feel?" Wearing a fake makes you feel...fake. Wearing the real thing, well, that's right up there with how you feel when driving a nice car versus a basic transportation car, or how you feel when you pull up to your ocean front or mountain view estate, versus a little apartment. Any car will get you where you're going, any watch will tell the time, and any house will shelter you from the rain, but...nice versions of these will make you feel differently. Unless of course you're a Buddhist monk, wrapped in a sheet, in which case you don't give a sh*t about any of that, or at least you're not supposed to.
Quote: MDawgMGM fire was before my time.
But I was staying at Bellagio when Caesar's was on fire, this is the pic I took from my penthouse, as I recall, 2001.
This picture was obviously not taken from a Bellagio penthouse because you can see the Bellagio on the left.