Thread Rating:

winningwizard
winningwizard
  • Threads: 3
  • Posts: 6
Joined: Jul 5, 2019
July 10th, 2019 at 9:14:40 AM permalink
Come on....how can someone believe that there is a system to beat any casino sinos would go out of business. Casino games have negative expected value and you would lose. It should be for pure entertainment, not a money making strategy. All you guys need is a basic understanding of statistics to get this.

Only live poker and sports betting are the only form of games where you can use skill to give yourself advantage but even those are hard work and grind.
gamerfreak
gamerfreak
  • Threads: 57
  • Posts: 3540
Joined: Dec 28, 2014
Thanked by
Negroni
July 10th, 2019 at 9:56:28 AM permalink
It depends on your definition of a system.

Positive expectation play exists and many folks here make good money. But none of that fits the common definition of systems betting.
DRich
DRich
  • Threads: 86
  • Posts: 11889
Joined: Jul 6, 2012
July 10th, 2019 at 10:01:03 AM permalink
As gamefreak alludes to, you have to understand the difference between systems. Card counting is a system that works, Martindale is not.


Systems that only involve changing the bet size without other knowledge and or other changes will fail.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22294
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
July 10th, 2019 at 10:09:28 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

As gamefreak alludes to, you have to understand the difference between systems. Card counting is a system that works, Martindale is not.


Systems that only involve changing the bet size without other knowledge and or other changes will fail.

from what I understand a system that works is no longer considered a system but a method.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
OnceDear
OnceDear
  • Threads: 63
  • Posts: 7481
Joined: Jun 1, 2014
July 10th, 2019 at 10:20:57 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

It depends on your definition of a system.

Positive expectation play exists and many folks here make good money. But none of that fits the common definition of systems betting.

indeed. Apart from a slight advantage from BJ card counting, Systems per se, such as progressives, money management, hit and run and hot streaks etc are all of zero financial value, though they may add extra amusement value. *
However, there are some real and exploitable opportunities in the careless or reckless ways that some casinos and their marketing managers, operate. Enough to be a career for some players. Surprisingly, there are sometimes massive opportunities with life spans that may extend from minutes to years. Don't expect those in the know to reveal these opportunities except at a superficial level after they are closed down.
* Some members vocally insist that they whup the casinos with hit and run and streak betting. Heck, one guy "knows random" so well that he used to suggest he could
whup roulette, though he's less vocal on that theme nowadays.
Exponents of mathematically unsound strategies have their posts derided by others, often robustly and even often rudely.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
redietz
redietz
  • Threads: 49
  • Posts: 767
Joined: Jun 5, 2019
Thanked by
OnceDear
July 10th, 2019 at 10:34:44 AM permalink
Hey, Once Dear, that second paragraph is a gem. Couldn't do better if I spent a month trying to say the same thing.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
billryan
billryan
  • Threads: 240
  • Posts: 16282
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
July 10th, 2019 at 12:36:13 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

indeed. Apart from a slight advantage from BJ card counting, Systems per se, such as progressives, money management, hit and run and hot streaks etc are all of zero financial value, though they may add extra amusement value. *
However, there are some real and exploitable opportunities in the careless or reckless ways that some casinos and their marketing managers, operate. Enough to be a career for some players. Surprisingly, there are sometimes massive opportunities with life spans that may extend from minutes to years. Don't expect those in the know to reveal these opportunities except at a superficial level after they are closed down.
* Some members vocally insist that they whup the casinos with hit and run and streak betting. Heck, one guy "knows random" so well that he used to suggest he could
whup roulette, though he's less vocal on that theme nowadays.
Exponents of mathematically unsound strategies have their posts derided by others, often robustly and even often rudely.



Math.
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing. Say it again.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
MDawg
MDawg
  • Threads: 40
  • Posts: 7532
Joined: Sep 27, 2018
July 10th, 2019 at 12:59:20 PM permalink
Nothing matters but results.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
7craps
7craps
  • Threads: 18
  • Posts: 1977
Joined: Jan 23, 2010
July 10th, 2019 at 1:21:47 PM permalink
Quote: winningwizard

All you guys need is a basic understanding of statistics to get this.

statistics = LOL
Mark Twain, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
OnceDear
OnceDear
  • Threads: 63
  • Posts: 7481
Joined: Jun 1, 2014
Thanked by
AxelWolfsmoothgrh
July 10th, 2019 at 1:30:06 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Nothing matters but results.

When an established, but rather lucky member suggests to a newbie member and all newbies who may read it, that he follows a rubbish, losing strategy then that matters. It really matter.
It's totally academic that you have had previous (unbelievable) good luck with that strategy.
It's a bit like a previously destitute person who became a million dollar lottery winner suggesting that poor folks should spend all their worldly wealth on lottery tickets. It does a great disservice to those poor folks.

This forum does not support such malice, mischief or ignorance, whichever it is, whether wilful or not.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
TomG
TomG
  • Threads: 16
  • Posts: 2428
Joined: Sep 26, 2010
Thanked by
OnceDear
July 10th, 2019 at 1:34:12 PM permalink
There are certain people who are able to profit off games with negative expected value by using higher level math concepts, such as "hit-and-run," "discipline," and "quit while ahead." I know this is true because they provide well documented data that shows they have won a lot of money at casino games over their lifetimes.
OnceDear
OnceDear
  • Threads: 63
  • Posts: 7481
Joined: Jun 1, 2014
July 10th, 2019 at 1:37:05 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

There are certain people who are able to profit off games with negative expected value by using higher level math concepts, such as "hit-and-run," "discipline," and "quit while ahead." I know this is true because they provide well documented data that shows they have won a lot of money at casino games over their lifetimes.

Thank's Tom, for what I interpret as a bit of satire.
Forgive me if I'm wrong and you truly believe that stream of mistruths.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
michael99000
michael99000
  • Threads: 9
  • Posts: 2113
Joined: Jul 10, 2010
July 10th, 2019 at 1:43:20 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

There are certain people who are able to profit off games with negative expected value by using higher level math concepts, such as "hit-and-run," "discipline," and "quit while ahead." I know this is true because they provide well documented data that shows they have won a lot of money at casino games over their lifetimes.



I would add “pressing your bet when on a hot streak”.
MDawg
MDawg
  • Threads: 40
  • Posts: 7532
Joined: Sep 27, 2018
July 10th, 2019 at 1:44:26 PM permalink
Nothing matters but results.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
redietz
redietz
  • Threads: 49
  • Posts: 767
Joined: Jun 5, 2019
July 10th, 2019 at 1:50:48 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Nothing matters but results.




Damn, I paid good money for my "Probability" DVDs from The Great Courses. I put the first one in my laptop, and all I got were big block letters saying, "Nothing matters but results." I tried them all, and same damned phrase from each one. No music, even. What's most disappointing -- I paid billions for them.

P.S. This concludes my 20th post. I am therefore theoretically eligible to post a link to my blog, which I will do after returning from picking up my new office chair. Salutations to acquaintances Axelwolf and Boz. A salute to Once Dear, who appears to have a flair for effortless writing. I'd like to borrow that sometime. And I didn't even get banned by Babs. I guess not enough snark.
"You can't breathe dead hippo waking, sleeping, and eating, and at the same time keep your precarious grip on existence."
MDawg
MDawg
  • Threads: 40
  • Posts: 7532
Joined: Sep 27, 2018
July 10th, 2019 at 2:00:31 PM permalink
I didn't read the posts closely because my browser app alerted me to ignore the content with the Bozo the Clown image, but from scanning what was written seems like a number of you are trying to save the world. I'd suggest instead stepping foot inside a casino sometime and trying to win some money.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
MaxPen
MaxPen
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 3634
Joined: Feb 4, 2015
Thanked by
ForagerTomG
July 10th, 2019 at 2:32:21 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Nothing matters but results.



Care to post proof of any? Other than your nonstop prattling.
kubikulann
kubikulann
  • Threads: 27
  • Posts: 905
Joined: Jun 28, 2011
July 10th, 2019 at 6:10:21 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Nothing matters but results.

In the history of science and philosophy, this type of assertion is categorized as pre-rational or ‘magical’ thought.
In Trumpland, this is called business. Caveat: you must forget your bankruptcyes and boast only on successes.
Reperiet qui quaesiverit
beachbumbabs
beachbumbabs
  • Threads: 101
  • Posts: 14268
Joined: May 21, 2013
July 10th, 2019 at 6:30:14 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

Damn, I paid good money for my "Probability" DVDs from The Great Courses. I put the first one in my laptop, and all I got were big block letters saying, "Nothing matters but results." I tried them all, and same damned phrase from each one. No music, even. What's most disappointing -- I paid billions for them.

P.S. This concludes my 20th post. I am therefore theoretically eligible to post a link to my blog, which I will do after returning from picking up my new office chair. Salutations to acquaintances Axelwolf and Boz. A salute to Once Dear, who appears to have a flair for effortless writing. I'd like to borrow that sometime. And I didn't even get banned by Babs. I guess not enough snark.



Re: your PS. That's what happens when you go believing bad publicity from people who burned bridges rather than finding out for yourself. You come here, you discuss things intelligently, you are made welcome, even get thanks for a good post here and there (in case you didn't notice.) So welcome, redietz.

I'm sure your link to your blog will be welcome, too, as long as you're not advertising there or getting paid for clicks. If so, please PM Zuga or Wizard for permission/ advertising rates before posting the link. Thank you.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
RS
RS
  • Threads: 62
  • Posts: 8626
Joined: Feb 11, 2014
July 10th, 2019 at 6:35:32 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

There are certain people who are able to profit off games with negative expected value by using higher level math concepts, such as "hit-and-run," "discipline," and "quit while ahead." I know this is true because they provide well documented data that shows they have won a lot of money at casino games over their lifetimes.


You forgot “hydration” in your list of higher level math concepts.



I’m sad I didn’t get a shoutout from redietz.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22294
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
July 10th, 2019 at 11:04:37 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Re: your PS. That's what happens when you go believing bad publicity from people who burned bridges rather than finding out for yourself. You come here, you discuss things intelligently, you are made welcome, even get thanks for a good post here and there (in case you didn't notice.) So welcome, redietz.

I'm sure your link to your blog will be welcome, too, as long as you're not advertising there or getting paid for clicks. If so, please PM Zuga or Wizard for permission/ advertising rates before posting the link. Thank you.

He only tries to sell his picks (and naked pic's) to Rob Singer.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
wildgoe
wildgoe
  • Threads: 2
  • Posts: 6
Joined: Aug 6, 2019
August 13th, 2019 at 4:40:31 AM permalink
Yeah, other than professional card counters, there is no way to beat the casino over the long run...
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 297
  • Posts: 11553
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
August 13th, 2019 at 5:02:27 AM permalink
Quote: wildgoe

Yeah, other than professional card counters, there is no way to beat the casino over the long run...



But if you do beat the casinos over the long run...


They will fear you.

Take me for example.

I am the most feared AP on the East Coast

I am so feared even people I dont know are assumed to be part of my team (discovery paperwork submitted including banned players I never met being attributed as associates of mine)
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
OnceDear
OnceDear
  • Threads: 63
  • Posts: 7481
Joined: Jun 1, 2014
August 13th, 2019 at 5:35:45 AM permalink
Quote: wildgoe

Yeah, other than professional card counters, there is no way to beat the casino over the long run...

Lol, welcome to the forum.

But what you said is oh so terribly wrong! It's as big a misconception as 'Craps can be beaten by disciplined money management'

But it's the casinos that CAN be beaten. Very much so.
The GAMES can generally not be beaten, except for Blackjack.

E,g. Casino X offers a 10% loss rebate on all losses in a 48 hour period on Blackjack. Advantage players would be all over that casino and would make a killing. Casino X might sack the marketing guy and not make that mistake again for a while. So the AP's go to Casino Y that just took on a new marketing guy ( previously from casino X ) and they make another killing. Round and around, onwards and upwards.

There absolutely are members here who make a good full time living from such exploits. It's easier money than some others make at Blackjack.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
Gandler
Gandler
  • Threads: 35
  • Posts: 1797
Joined: Jan 27, 2014
August 14th, 2019 at 9:18:31 AM permalink
Quote: winningwizard

Come on....how can someone believe that there is a system to beat any casino sinos would go out of business. Casino games have negative expected value and you would lose. It should be for pure entertainment, not a money making strategy. All you guys need is a basic understanding of statistics to get this.

Only live poker and sports betting are the only form of games where you can use skill to give yourself advantage but even those are hard work and grind.



That is generally good advice for most people.

But, this statement is not true, depending on your definition of system. A simple example is counting BJ, which can be classified as a system to beat a game that is not poker or sports betting.

There are other AP opportunities, that others have stated, such as taking advantage of loss rebates and special promos certain days which can make certain games +EV.

If your statement simply refers to betting systems such as martingale, etc, where your bets are changed based on past bet results (and not anything else, count etc...).... then it is a correct statement.
mcallister3200
mcallister3200
  • Threads: 17
  • Posts: 3616
Joined: Dec 29, 2013
August 14th, 2019 at 9:27:48 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz



I am so feared even people I dont know are assumed to be part of my team (discovery paperwork submitted including banned players I never met being attributed as associates of mine)



That is really common and doesn’t mean much of anything. Looking at surveillance databse profiles of the table AP’s I know fairly well about 1/3rd of the “known associates” listed are not or never were associated, if two known players seen in a casino at same time they assume that etc.
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 297
  • Posts: 11553
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
August 14th, 2019 at 10:30:07 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

That is really common and doesn’t mean much of anything. Looking at surveillance databse profiles of the table AP’s I know fairly well about 1/3rd of the “known associates” listed are not or never were associated, if two known players seen in a casino at same time they assume that etc.



Granted.

This "known associate" was seen a month after I was in the casino. He was just doing something similar to what I do.

Never met the guy
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
heatmap
heatmap
  • Threads: 264
  • Posts: 2282
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
August 14th, 2019 at 1:44:58 PM permalink
Quote: winningwizard

Come on....how can someone believe that there is a system to beat any casino sinos would go out of business. Casino games have negative expected value and you would lose. It should be for pure entertainment, not a money making strategy. All you guys need is a basic understanding of statistics to get this.

Only live poker and sports betting are the only form of games where you can use skill to give yourself advantage but even those are hard work and grind.



There is one system and that is to extend your legs towards the floor and place each one flat down. Next place one leg in front of the other til you reach the exit and then enter your car. If you won money then that system works right?
heatmap
heatmap
  • Threads: 264
  • Posts: 2282
Joined: Feb 12, 2018
August 14th, 2019 at 1:44:58 PM permalink
Quote: winningwizard

Come on....how can someone believe that there is a system to beat any casino sinos would go out of business. Casino games have negative expected value and you would lose. It should be for pure entertainment, not a money making strategy. All you guys need is a basic understanding of statistics to get this.

Only live poker and sports betting are the only form of games where you can use skill to give yourself advantage but even those are hard work and grind.



There is one system and that is to extend your legs towards the floor and place each one flat down. Next place one leg in front of the other til you reach the exit and then enter your car. If you won money then that system works right?
speedycrap
speedycrap
  • Threads: 46
  • Posts: 1310
Joined: Oct 13, 2013
Thanked by
heatmap
August 14th, 2019 at 2:28:28 PM permalink
One day I am going to prove you guys WRONG
CharlesMousseau
CharlesMousseau
  • Threads: 5
  • Posts: 53
Joined: Nov 1, 2016
August 18th, 2019 at 1:38:44 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

It depends on your definition of a system.

Positive expectation play exists and many folks here make good money. But none of that fits the common definition of systems betting.



Even using the traditional definition of a system, because there is a slight correlation between wins/losses and what cards were likelier than not to come out, you absolutely can beat a full pay single deck blackjack game with a 1-1-1-1-300 negative progression. Good luck getting that fifth hand in ;)
FleaStiff
FleaStiff
  • Threads: 265
  • Posts: 14484
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
August 18th, 2019 at 7:34:15 AM permalink
I was once in a cheapo place in Vegas, probably doesn't exist now. Certainly doesn't deserve to exist.

I made one bet at a blackjack table for the table minimum and then tried to make a fifty dollar bet. Dealer pushed it back and said you can't suddenly change your betting level. ONE hand. Did he think I was able to discern some hot deck after one hand? I was the only one at the table. What did he think the count was after one hand?
Johnnyforyou
Johnnyforyou
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 1
Joined: Aug 23, 2019
August 23rd, 2019 at 7:55:18 AM permalink
In my view many gamblers while on the outside think they have a system or a way of playing, in reality deep down they know they will always lose. Some of them think they will always lose since the casino is corrupt etc. But at the end of the day most people I have seen who have been in land based casinos for a long time know that they can't beat the house. Some people say they can win on roulette etc but they never do and I think deep down they know this. It's rare imo to find someone who truly believes they can beat the casino unless they are new to gambling.

I have some methods which I use which I think are more fun and maybe you could say it's a "system" but they don't give you an edge but rather it's just fun to play a certain way. For me, playing 1 dollar a spin on slots for 12 hours a day is a horrible way to spend my time. I would prefer to start off betting 10 dollars and try to turn that into a lot of money by raising my bet progressively. If I go to the casino prepared to lose 1000 dollars I would prefer to go big or go home rather than spend all day there trying to win money 1 dollar a spin!
bobbartop
bobbartop
  • Threads: 133
  • Posts: 2595
Joined: Mar 15, 2016
August 23rd, 2019 at 11:33:33 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz


Take me for example.

I am the most feared AP on the East Coast




Hey Darkoz, I'm afraid of you and all I've done is read this forum.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
darkoz
darkoz
  • Threads: 297
  • Posts: 11553
Joined: Dec 22, 2009
August 23rd, 2019 at 12:48:29 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Hey Darkoz, I'm afraid of you and all I've done is read this forum.



Thanks, lol.

Unless you are a casino you dont have to fear
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22294
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 23rd, 2019 at 3:44:04 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear



But it's the casinos that CAN be beaten. Very much so.
The GAMES can generally not be beaten, except for Blackjack.

I know you know this, but just to reiterate. Many games can be beaten "straight up": Some Video poker, some banking slots, some progressives( any game with a progressive has the potential to become positive) , some table games where someone has miscalculated the math/rules/procedures or even a printing error.

Anything has a possibility of being beaten if it has a bug, glitch or some error/mistake involved.

NO BETTING SYSTEM CAN TURN A NEGATIVE NUMBER INTO A POSITIVE ONE, therefore you cannot beat it in the long run.

Everything mentioned above can be broken down and calculated, if the calculation doesn't show hey positive return then you won't be able to beat that game the long run no matter what system you use.

I really don't understand why that's such a hard concept for anyone to understand?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Lovecomps
Lovecomps
  • Threads: 79
  • Posts: 427
Joined: Aug 12, 2018
August 28th, 2019 at 9:38:00 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf


I really don't understand why that's such a hard concept for anyone to understand?



People believe it because the games can be beaten despite negative expectations.

BJ has counting, which is the obvious answer.

Roulette can be beaten if you can find a biased wheel (which has been done).

Video poker can be beaten if the pay table is flawed. Most AP players know that.

Craps: well there's dice control, which I don't believe in, although there are those who swear by it.

You can gain an edge on any of these games by working deals with the casino and outfox them with properly structured rules and discounts on losses. Don Johnson is the living example of that.

Does coming out ahead net when you consider comps into the equation as well, such as show-up money, free cruises, etc. count ? That's a judgement call.

Despite what the math might say on paper, the games can be beaten in the real world. That's why people don't embrace the concept.
The best things in life are not free.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22294
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 28th, 2019 at 10:34:14 PM permalink
Quote: Lovecomps

People believe it because the games can be beaten despite negative expectations.

BJ has counting, which is the obvious answer.

Roulette can be beaten if you can find a biased wheel (which has been done).

Video poker can be beaten if the pay table is flawed. Most AP players know that.

Craps: well there's dice control, which I don't believe in, although there are those who swear by it.

You can gain an edge on any of these games by working deals with the casino and outfox them with properly structured rules and discounts on losses. Don Johnson is the living example of that.

Does coming out ahead net when you consider comps into the equation as well, such as show-up money, free cruises, etc. count ? That's a judgement call.

Despite what the math might say on paper, the games can be beaten in the real world. That's why people don't embrace the concept.

You're preaching to the choir. In this very thread I said practically any game can be beaten under the right conditions and circumstances. Sometimes the game itself is beatable and sometimes you need extra given out by the casino.

All that stuff can be added in and calculated it might not be precise, however, you can get a good estimate and be confident the numbers are above 100%. IF the numbers add up to over 100% you can beat the casino/ game. (I have yet to see anyone come up anything solid when it comes to DI). We are talking about people who use a betting system. Most of them will even admit the numbers are negative, however, they somehow think they're betting system can overcome negative numbers and allow them to win in the long run.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ace2
Ace2
  • Threads: 32
  • Posts: 2706
Joined: Oct 2, 2017
August 28th, 2019 at 10:36:33 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I really don't understand why that's such a hard concept for anyone to understand?

Math skills
It’s all about making that GTA
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 164
  • Posts: 22294
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
August 28th, 2019 at 11:37:23 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

Math skills

My math skills are worse than my spelling, sentence structure and punctuation, yet, I have no problem understanding that simple concept. Perhaps, it's a logic skills.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FleaStiff
FleaStiff
  • Threads: 265
  • Posts: 14484
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
Thanked by
beachbumbabs
August 29th, 2019 at 1:27:14 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

My math skills are worse than my spelling, sentence structure and punctuation, yet, I have no problem understanding that simple concept. Perhaps, it's a logic skills.

There is no one here whose math skills were worse than mine. That was true even before recent medical traumatic brain pressure events. Yet I understand about "the short end of the stick". It is still fun to gamble and that short end of the stick at least keeps you in the game long enough for Lady Variance to smile upon you from time to time.

We don't feel guilty taking an occasional flyer on the lottery but we don't consider it anything but a high-priced long shot.

We may try to exploit a flashing dealer from time to time or a must-hit bonus but overall we all know its a House Edge game because that is how the house makes its money and pays for the expensive booze and the cocktail waitresses.

It is fun and we just might wind up in the plus column.
ManFromBaccarat
ManFromBaccarat
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 10
Joined: Sep 2, 2019
September 2nd, 2019 at 8:54:03 AM permalink
If you dont know the answer to something, say you dont know the answer, dont tell other people that its impossible.
  • Jump to: