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Quote: ManiacwarrrtMy signing up here had nothing to do with him being banned. I posted here after I knew he wasn't here to see what I posted.
That doesn't make any sense at all. You posted here thinking that he could not see what you posted here?
People are poking holes in your story because, well, there are holes in your story. I think that would pretty much happen anywhere.
FYI, anyone can read any post here -- members, banned members, and non-members alike. Being banned/suspended only prevents a user from posting.Quote: ManiacwarrrtI posted here after I knew he wasn't here to see what I posted.
If you look down at the MEMBERS WHO HAVE VISITED THE FORUM TODAY section at bottom of the Forums main page, the names in dark red are banned members, but have read forum posts today. I'm sure there are other banned members who have signed out and lurk here anonymously.
Quote: RonCThat doesn't make any sense at all. You posted here thinking that he could not see what you posted here?
People are poking holes in your story because, well, there are holes in your story. I think that would pretty much happen anywhere.
No no no. See. You got it all wrong. This is a place where if you say things that aren't true or make sense enough times? They start to become true and make sense. Like a self manifesting hive mind
My first post here included my stating I know hes banned and cannot see what's posted here. He told me himself after I mentioned to him that I signed up here. So I decided to talk about things publicly that he asked me not to because I planned on trying to figure out what he was doing on my own anyway. I learned a lot about what he was doing just by watching letswin play. Or at least I thought I did. Anyway, instead of finding like minded opportunists here as I was hoping for? I got crummy jabs and kicks to
My face after I lost twelve grand during my adventure. Says a lot about this place.
Quote: JoemanFYI, anyone can read any post here -- members, banned members, and non-members alike. Being banned/suspended only prevents a user from posting.
If you look down at the MEMBERS WHO HAVE VISITED THE FORUM TODAY section at bottom of the Forums main page, the names in dark red are banned members, but have read forum posts today. I'm sure there are other banned members who have signed out and lurk here anonymously.
Ip address banned members too? Doubtful. I've been banned from a forum called "moneymakergroup.com and I cant even access the site.
It's not really a question, but it ends in a question mark?
I assume that is supposed to make you think about the statement?
All very clear to me?
I may use this technique in the the future, it's intriguing ;-?
Pretty sure. But you could ask a moderator for a definite answer. According to the main Forums page, two banned members have browsed the forums today.Quote: ManiacwarrrtIp address banned members too?
Quote: GWAEWhere was that quoted from?
Hope you didn't make a quote and add your own text in. If so, see ya in 3 days.
I acknowledge that error of judgement and apologise to Manic and all offended parties. I've fixed that post. Happy to take any consequences.
If one were to not look, then they couldn't see anything!
I am not listed, but I am here.
I'M absolutely elated you lost 12k if true, BUT VERY DOUBTFUL, I think you and him are one in the same and it was made up to lend credibility to him/yourself and to discourage people from thinking they could figure this fake system out themselves. But if you really did that's what you get for trying to sneak and steal someones method and post about it when they asked you not to.Quote: ManiacwarrrtNo no no. See. You got it all wrong. This is a place where if you say things that aren't true or make sense enough times? They start to become true and make sense. Like a self manifesting hive mind
My first post here included my stating I know hes banned and cannot see what's posted here. He told me himself after I mentioned to him that I signed up here. So I decided to talk about things publicly that he asked me not to because I planned on trying to figure out what he was doing on my own anyway. I learned a lot about what he was doing just by watching letswin play. Or at least I thought I did. Anyway, instead of finding like minded opportunists here as I was hoping for? I got crummy jabs and kicks to
My face after I lost twelve grand during my adventure. Says a lot about this place.
I have known a few people who kinda did sneaky stuff like that, we would call them sneaky-snakes.
IT'S ALL A SCAM OR ILLEGAL JUST LIKE I THOUGHT FROM THE FIRST TIME LETSWIN POSTED.
I guess it could be counterfeit bills that work in the bill validaters. You couldn't possibly know if that were the case. Oh let me guess you took the bills to the bank and verified they were real?
Oh wait he gave you a check and you cashed it for him at your bank?
The scam possibilities could go on and on and on.
On an interesting note: Turns out I know someone that works at Interblock.
Quote: RonCOf course banned members can see the site. There are people in red all of the time in the list of people who have visited.
If one were to not look, then they couldn't see anything!
I am not listed, but I am here.
So you know 100% that no one has been ip banned?
So, axel the white knight who knows it all has returned. Oh, now you care I lost $12k? Ha
And as some one else described, my figuring out some ones system just by watching them execute it is NOT stealing.
So there's no way letswin had some thing that works with out it being a scam or illegal. Why? Cuz the mighty axel says so! And nothing else will prove other wise in THIS world here on the forum. Ok. Makes sense. I Understand. Can't fight the mob of lies on their own turf. Hahaha. What a big joke. Powerless wields of power in a fake world of control.
You, Dear RonC, they may keep you hidden for good reason ;-)Quote: RonCOf course banned members can see the site. There are people in red all of the time in the list of people who have visited.
If one were to not look, then they couldn't see anything!
I am not listed, but I am here.
You maybe may be too consistant in relation to some others here?
Did you catch the "?" at the end of a statement? < That one is a 'real' question? 2F
YES HE DOES. Perhaps he's a secret MOD.Quote: ManiacwarrrtSo you know 100% that no one has been ip banned?
Perhaps I'm a secret MOD.
Quote: beachbumbabsGordon,
I agree with much of what you say here. In this case, a lot of info came thru pm's with other members who are at various stages of talking to letswin. Step 1 was preliminary caution, step 2 was asking him for any reason to know it was not system selling in looking to allow it, step 3 was waiting several hours while letswin was on the board to hear from him, during which time he actively PM'd at least 2 other people, and I received more info not helping his case to stay on. Step 4 was the ban, and step 5 was my caveat that he could be brought back if he's shown not to be a system seller. There are folks working on finding that out still.
. . . Sorry you don't agree with my decision. I would prefer the need be obvious, but I can't justify it further without violating various pm's.
Okay, I understand from your post that there were some PM 's that I did not know about and that there are still people checking on whether he was "selling a system." Let me also say that I agree with the goal of not having the forum cluttered with posts from people selling so-called systems that are prima facie mathematical nonsense.
I still think that if you didn't inform Letswin of a deadline for responding to your request, then he may just have put if off for a while, and you acted too quickly.
And, darn it, I really wanted to learn more about the claimed departure from randomness in a specific shuffler . . .
Nuff' said. Let's move on.
Quote: WizardofnothingAfter all this chatter, miraculously letswin reached out to me and had a cancellation on his team- however because I posted in here he can to trust me anymore and thus I should have kept my mouth shut and he would have added me back in when this person pulled out
That's actually classic con-man banter. When turning someone down its always because they can't be trusted because they expressed doubts.
With each passing moment it becomes more and more Letwin is a con man who got flustered when he was so easily seen through on WOV.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtSo there's no way letswin had some thing that works with out it being a scam or illegal.
If he did, it's now ruined because of your greed and inability to keep your mouth shut. You could have been winning a few thousand every day. Instead you lost $12,000 and there's not chance you'll ever have a way to win it back. Based on our emails, there's a chance he'll be able to come up with some possible profits for the team, but it will be much different and far less than it was before
Quote: TomGIf he did, it's now ruined because of your greed and inability to keep your mouth shut. You could have been winning a few thousand every day. Instead you lost $12,000 and there's not chance you'll ever have a way to win it back. Based on our emails, there's a chance he'll be able to come up with some possible profits for the team, but it will be much different and far less than it was before
Tomg, it sounds like you are actually dealing with LetsWin as part of his team. I doubt Maniacwartt ruined anything since he doesn't even know what the hustle is.
I'm pretty certain no one who works at Resorts World Aqueduct comes on this forum.
Slots tech: A couple of people on WOV claims they can beat our E-Baccarat.
Slots supervisor: Have they tried their system out yet?
Slot tech: Yea, one guy. He lost 12 grand.
Slots Supervisor: Sounds like a great system to me. Let him keep trying.
Quote: Maniacwarrrt
Letswin sold me his system and ran off with the money. So I met up with him so I can see what he looks like and beat him up for it. He didn't have the money. So I told him to scam it out of the members on this forum. And then pay me back. So far? He's scammed 10 people. 10 more and hell have paid me back in full.
Um, I kind of ignored this along with everyone else figuring it was a joke but now I see TomG talking about being on the team.
Any possibility this was the one time Maniacwartt was telling the truth?
Quote: darkozTomg, it sounds like you are actually dealing with LetsWin as part of his team. I doubt Maniacwartt ruined anything since he doesn't even know what the hustle is.
It was at one time worth a minimum of $600 per day, more likely around $3000, with some days earning as much as $6000. But no more. That's what happens when you pick up guys on craigslist: you get screwed.
Quote: TomGIt was at one time worth a minimum of $600 per day, more likely around $3000, with some days earning as much as $6000. But no more. That's what happens when you pick up guys on craigslist: you get screwed.
Tom,
How was it ever worth anything? How would/could you know that? How/why could it now be worth less?
Quote: TomGIt was at one time worth a minimum of $600 per day, more likely around $3000, with some days earning as much as $6000. But no more. That's what happens when you pick up guys on craigslist: you get screwed.
So, Tom, and I say this without hidden admin agendas, if you are/were part of this team, that would be very helpful. Also it would explain how letswin might think to recruit here, if you suggested it. Craigslist ads seemed like an exceedingly strange way to recruit, to me anyway.
Maybe you could vouch for him? Or verify the amount and type of risk to team members? I'd like a knowledgeable answer about the scam/system seller questions. Ideally, enough positive info to bring letswin back if he cared to return, then let him speak for himself.
Quote: darkozUm, I kind of ignored this along with everyone else figuring it was a joke but now I see TomG talking about being on the team.
Any possibility this was the one time Maniacwartt was telling the truth?
Oh that's funny. That's really really funny.
I'm disappointed in you darkoz. I sincerely thought you were a normal person. Seems ss though the mob of lies that runs this place has recruited a new member. Wizardofnothing comes here and posts bits and pieces of an email, which was obviously just enough to suite his agenda. What ever that may be. The rest of the "story", which was most of it, he just fills in with his "word".
No evidence. No proof. Axel and oncedear go on and on about this and that. This pm that, this email this, this "article" that. No evidence of selling. No evidence of scam. No evidence of anything illegal. NO proof. Wizardofnothing comes again and then posts about letswin supposedly trying to "bait" him back in his team. BUT does not do the integrity thing and post the ENTIRE conversation he had with him with dated email stamps, the works. Letswin is banned. So don't tell me it's a violation lf his privacy. No. What it is? Is that the TRUTH would expose the agenda here. The mob of lies. It's not to protect members. Protect them from what? The wickedness of using some one else's bankroll to profit with their system? Oh the HORROR. Hell I bet they may even try to extort him. "Give us your method or we will smear your name on OUR forum"
Words. Articles. Stories. Not one shred of fully verifiable proof. I haven't posted proof either. But my point is, soon as they open their mouth? The sheep automatically follow through. Like a covenant.
You guys targeted me and made fun of me for losing money. Called me a liar in regards to what the deal is with rng baccarat. I have proof. You have none. I don't play that shit. So its on. This place is a joke. You fill everyone's face with smoke, and these drones are too dumb to realize what is being said to them is just that, something that is being said, nothing more. Show the proof. ALL OF IT. And not just the pieces that enhace the smoke as long as you add your "portion". Show the entire thing. Unedited. Date stamped. Where a member can evaluate on their own without a cloud of mob lies to make decisions for them.
Letswin dam sure never expected me to use my own money. And dam sure never tried to sell me anything. I fucked up trying to figure his method out on my own. If I am lying about this? PROVE IT!
I'll see your three '?'s and raise you four apostrophes.Quote: TwoFeathersATLThree extra '?' I counted ?
Much better Maniac. Well done with the punctuation.
Sadly you let yourself down just a tiny bit on the rules. Verbatim quoting of even a banned member would be grounds for suspension or other sanctions, so best not encourage that.
Use of expletives is also against the rules. I advise you to edit your post for the sake of keeping you here as an active contributor.
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Quote: Maniacwarrrt
No evidence. No proof. . . .Axel and oncedear go on and on about this and that. . . . No evidence of selling. No evidence of scam. No evidence of anything illegal. NO proof.
. . . [Edited for brevity] . . .
Words. Articles. Stories. Not one shred of fully verifiable proof. I haven't posted proof either.
. . . [Edited for brevity] . . .
I have proof. You have none.
We like proof.
That we cannot deliver proof that Letswin is a [expletive] hustler is unfortunate.
That we cannot provide proof that he does not bankroll his team is unfortunate.
That we cannot provide PROOF that ManiacWarrt is another persona of banned Letswin is unfortunate. ( Though we can see, demonstrate and prove remarkable similarities )
We ( at least two of us ) can provide PROOF that he decided not to bankroll us. But you'll probably say that was our fault. Fair enough.
Now. You say you have proof of something.
What do you have proof of?
Proof that you met him?
Proof that he bankrolled you?
Proof that he demonstrated an edge?
Deliver that proof and you will go up in the estimation of us all. Do it smugly if you wish.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever had an email conversation with him.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever lost $12,000.
Those two things should be a doddle to prove. Think of the Kudos you will gain. Think of the credibility you will give to Letswin and how that would be a poke in the eye for me and his detractors.
Good luck with that.
Quote: WizardofnothingSo you burn the guy lol lose your money - join the day he gets banned , write the same as him and then defend him to the death
How did I burn him? He hasn't given me any bankroll because I decided i would try to figure it out on my own. I am a programmer and know a bit about those rngs from my experience. Yeah I lost money. I also said a few other things that turned me into a target here and called a liar for absolutely no reason! So as I am defending myself? I am constantly being associated with this guy and having to witness the ridiculous agenda taking place here. So I am calling it out. I don't care what it looks like. It looks as silly as the BS that is veing perpetrated by the smoke screen being constantly enhanced by your clique, the mob of lies
I get it though. It all makes sense now. You are butt hurt letswin denied you. And the other members of the mob can't stand that some one they initially disliked before? He did some thing they couldn't. Envy is wicked. He got lucky enough to figure out some exploitable advantage in those rngs that won't last forever. Mean while he and his team members line their pockets until the wheels fall off.
Who knows. I'm just talking. Like everyone else.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: Maniacwarrrt
No evidence. No proof. . . .Axel and oncedear go on and on about this and that. . . . No evidence of selling. No evidence of scam. No evidence of anything illegal. NO proof.
. . . [Edited for brevity] . . .
Words. Articles. Stories. Not one shred of fully verifiable proof. I haven't posted proof either.
. . . [Edited for brevity] . . .
I have proof. You have none.
We like proof.
That we cannot deliver proof that Letswin is a [expletive] hustler is unfortunate.
That we cannot provide proof that he does not bankroll his team is unfortunate.
That we cannot provide PROOF that ManiacWarrt is another persona of banned Letswin is unfortunate. ( Though we can see, demonstrate and prove remarkable similarities )
We ( at least two of us ) can provide PROOF that he decided not to bankroll us. But you'll probably say that was our fault. Fair enough.
Now. You say you have proof of something.
What do you have proof of?
Proof that you met him?
Proof that he bankrolled you?
Proof that he demonstrated an edge?
Deliver that proof and you will go up in the estimation of us all. Do it smugly if you wish.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever had an email conversation with him.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever lost $12,000.
Those two things should be a doddle to prove. Think of the Kudos you will gain. Think of the credibility you will give to Letswin and how that would be a poke in the eye for me and his detractors.
Good luck with that.
When you say some one tried to scam you by selling you a system, or trying to get you to gamble with his miracle system with your own money and not his? Which is totally smearing some one? You need to prove that!
When you say some one is lying about losing $12,000 and lying about an rng or a system they saw work? You need to prove that.
I didn't give a shit until i got tangled up in your mob of lies by axel and wizard. Mocking my loss of money and calling me a liar about the rng? Now I am calling out all the BS. Oh you can't prove your various scam pms and emails you guys so dearly revere as golden proof? Boo hoo!
I have asked you to provide proof since I was first called a liar. Provide it. Show the conversations that oppose the ones I have. Show the conversations of him selling a a system. Or asking a person to explicitly use their own money for his hustle. Then I call him a scammer myself. In my conbersations with him not one push towards taking my money to the casino and betting myself. Not one
Quote: OnceDearNow. You say you have proof of something.
What do you have proof of?
Proof that you met him?
Proof that he bankrolled you?
Proof that he demonstrated an edge?
Deliver that proof and you will go up in the estimation of us all. Do it smugly if you wish.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever had an email conversation with him.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever lost $12,000.
Those two things should be a doddle to prove. Think of the Kudos you will gain. Think of the credibility you will give to Letswin and how that would be a poke in the eye for me and his detractors.
Good luck with that.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: OnceDearNow. You say you have proof of something.
What do you have proof of?
Proof that you met him?
Proof that he bankrolled you?
Proof that he demonstrated an edge?
Deliver that proof and you will go up in the estimation of us all. Do it smugly if you wish.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever had an email conversation with him.
Maybe even PROVE that you ever lost $12,000.
Those two things should be a doddle to prove. Think of the Kudos you will gain. Think of the credibility you will give to Letswin and how that would be a poke in the eye for me and his detractors.
Good luck with that.
Sorry. I'm not interested in joining the mob of lies. No proof? Then everything your entire clique stated is BS. The junk. The articles. The various "proofs" that are hidden. The way some one immediately points out me misquoting you, missed you misquoting me first, then jumps back in saying "oh I missed that" only AFTER i rudely point it out. What a big joke! Favortism. Mob of lies. Smoke. JOKE! Why haven't you and I been given the 3 day punishment for the misquoting huh?
I know why. "Hey oncedear, don't worry. You are one of us. We will just pretend we didn't see your misquote or his"
I rest my case. Garbage. Evaluate for yourselves FREE thinking people. Their only argument at this point is "its illegal". "Maniac is letswin". All other tactics? FAIL
Quote: WizardofnothingI for one am thrilled you lost 12k- 12k I'm sure you could not afford to lose!! You tried to steal his system/ if it existed- my gut is it did not- he didn't burn mean he set up a meeting and then delayed it 3 months. Yea! That makes sense he is full of lies / you are defending a liar and a Scam artist- carry on lmao
I am 100% sure there is a ton more to go with that story. The story of him "setting up a meeting and then just delaying it 3 months out of the blue". That's how it went right? Just like that?
I want to bet another $12k that you will not post the ENTIRE email conversation and will only continue these twisted snippets in your words to suite the agenda of the mob of lies.
My point proven. I rest my case.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtWhy haven't you and I been given the 3 day punishment for the misquoting huh?
Maybe I was forgiven for promptly apologising and fixing my misquote (which was clearly a comment by me and not a quote).
Maybe you were forgiven for being the new guy?
Maybe neither of us were forgiven and punishment is to follow.
I guess there are a few in this thread who on the brink of suspension for various reasons which is why I suggested that you remove the expletive from your post.
Meanwhile . . . Did you say something about you having some proof of something? That would be most welcome here andyou could seriously rub my nose in it. Previously in this or an earlier thread, Letswin was invited to deliver proof that he had an edge. He never did oblige in any way. Pity that.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtI want to bet another $12k that you will not post the ENTIRE email conversation and will only continue these twisted snippets in your words to suite the agenda of the mob of lies.
What odds are you giving Maniac? That's a bold wager.
To do so would cause WON to be suspended, but for a $12K easy win he might take you up on it. I would be happy to hold any stake money as escrow and I expect that Mike / Wizard would happily be escrow too.
Quote: OnceDearMaybe I was forgiven for promptly apologising and fixing my misquote (which was clearly a comment by me and not a quote).
Maybe you were forgiven for being the new guy?
Maybe neither of us were forgiven and punishment is to follow.
I guess there are a few in this thread who on the brink of suspension for various reasons which is why I suggested that you remove the expletive from your post.
Meanwhile . . . Did you say something about you having some proof of something? That would be most welcome here andyou could seriously rub my nose in it. Previously in this or an earlier thread, Letswin was invited to deliver proof that he had an edge. He never did oblige in any way. Pity that.
The smoke is fading mob of lies. Give it up. What's the tactic now? Letswin didn't prove his team wins so hes a scammer? How do you prove an rng exploitable bet? Ha! The offer was to be bankrolled and given instructions where to bet with that money. Why would you need proof it works? You are not being sold anything. Or putting up your own money.
Desperate tactics from the mob of lies now? If the mob can say what ever, and have that what ever held high and mighty, revered as absolute truth with no proof, even though they were asked for proof constantly. Why do I need to now provide proof? The mob of lies has holes with or without proof. My job is done. Any free thinking person can see right through the smoke now cuz of my efforts.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtYou guys targeted me and made fun of me for losing money.
It wasn't losing money that brought that on, it was losing money after being given the chance to make significant profits
Quote: ManiacwarrrtQuote: OnceDearMeanwhile . . . Did you say something about you having some proof of something? That would be most welcome here and you could seriously rub my nose in it. Previously in this or an earlier thread, Letswin was invited to deliver proof that he had an edge. He never did oblige in any way. Pity that.
Why do I need to now provide proof? The mob of lies has holes with or without proof. My job is done. Any free thinking person can see right through the smoke now cuz of my efforts.
So that's a no then?
Thanks for providing such clarity.
Quote: OnceDearWhat odds are you giving Maniac? That's a bold wager.
To do so would cause WON to be suspended, but for a $12K easy win he might take you up on it. I would be happy to hold any stake money as escrow and I expect that Mike / Wizard would happily be escrow too.
Oh this just gets better. Digging the hole to bury your clique deeper.
So let me get this straight. Wizardofnothing wasn't suspended for putting the conversation in his own words and/or posting two images of only the part of the email conversation he wanted us to see, which of course suites the agenda of specific influece, BUT, if he posts the entire conversation, which I'm sure will shed lots of light through the dark smoke of BS being stated here - he will be suspended?
I rest my case.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: ManiacwarrrtQuote: OnceDearMeanwhile . . . Did you say something about you having some proof of something? That would be most welcome here and you could seriously rub my nose in it. Previously in this or an earlier thread, Letswin was invited to deliver proof that he had an edge. He never did oblige in any way. Pity that.
Why do I need to now provide proof? The mob of lies has holes with or without proof. My job is done. Any free thinking person can see right through the smoke now cuz of my efforts.
So that's a no then?
Thanks for providing such clarity.
You provide proof, as I have been calling out from the day I was called a liar and I will immediately provide mine and we can let the members evaluate and conclude.
Thanks!
Until then? The joke lives on!
Quote: ManiacwarrrtWizardofnothing wasn't suspended for putting the conversation in his own words and/or posting two images of only the part of the email conversation he wanted us to see, which of course suites the agenda of specific influece, BUT, if he posts the entire conversation, which I'm sure will shed lots of light through the dark smoke of BS being stated here - he will be suspended?
How should I know why? I'm just a member here. The Moderators moderate and I guess they have TOTAL leeway to use their discretion. I only EXPECT that to quote a full email thread might be a suspendible offence.
I do judge your offer of giving him or others $12K for taking that chance might tempt him and might have been a bold wager.
I do strongly doubt you are that generous or stupid, but then again: what do I know?
If posting it here breaches the rules, then I'll happily host the email thread externally, so long as that is acceptable to the wagering parties.Quote: WizardofnothingPut the twelve g in escrow and I'll provide the entire thread- he set up meeting and then for zero reason canceled 18 hours before
Quote: WizardofnothingThis is all a fallacy maniac is probably not even loginng in his own ip
Post the conversation. Until then? This is all a joke. I know 100% you will not post the conversation. As it will make you out to be a liar. With proof
Go ahead and hang onto that escrow $12000. Give me a break. You snakes find anything to slither your fingers on and hold onto. I swear. Ha. Like I said. Post the entire conversation. Nothing that oncedear can edit or you. Screen shot it all. And I will meet you and give you $12000. I have money. Just because some one was upset about losing doesn't mean they couldn't afford it.
Stop the games. Really. Post the proof. Or stop the games.
