Baccarat team
Quote: Gamer011I am a Las Vegas resident and have been successfully playing Baccarat for 20 years - I am interested in joining the Baccarat team you mention in your thread-please let me know how to proceed
The originator has been banned. He now no longer responds to my emails.
Yeah, what he said. And PM the OP for additional info, and don't forget to send us a postcard when you buy that private island.Quote: WizardofnothingWelcome new member.... To the forum
Speaking of private islands, I need a break.
Pls PM with contact details if you have a private island available.
I promise to be nice while in your private world, and a promise is a promise.....
What he solicited others to do WAS illegal, at least in NV where he solicited someone. How can you claim its not illegal, especially when you said you couldn't figure it out yourself?Quote: Maniacwarrrt
How do you know he didn't work for the company at one time and rig the software? I think that would be illegal for sure and if someone is helping him with that I would think that is also illegal. Since you have no clue you can't say its not illegal. I CAN according to the information he has given based on his offers.
I have figured out what people are doing with very limited information and pegged it fairly close even when they have disguised what they were doing.
So how you are 10000% sure its not illegal is beyond me when you have no clue exactly whats going on.
You have no Idea what he has said or told other people.
You tried this for a short period of time? For all you know he was just getting lucky when you tested it. Could be an 18 yo's in a row situation. That might be a reason you couldn't find the bug, because there never really was one.
Perhaps he has someone betting the other side at the same time. One person happens to get lucky and win while the other person loses. Most people wouldn't try to FK him and figure it out themselves, they would want to make a deal ASAP(its like a sports touting service who gives out both sides of a pick) . Once he has you believing it works and he has his hooks into you he changes up the deal. Then he asks that person to put up all the money for 2k bets or you are out(clamming you'll make 10's of thousands and you can't lose, but he wants a 30% free roll now, you have NO clue you didn't get that far)
Look how easy it is you only need one big sucker http://www.nolandalla.com/con-man-swindles-suckers-gambling-system/
Quote: AxelWolfWhat he solicited others to do WAS illegal, at least in NV where he solicited someone. How can you claim its not illegal, especially when you said you couldn't figure it out yourself?
How do you know he didn't work for the company at one time and rig the software? I think that would be illegal for sure and if someone is helping him with that I would think that is also illegal. Since you have no lue you can't say its not illegal. I CAN according to the information he has given based on his offers.
So how you are 10000% sure its not illegal is beyond me when you have no clue exactly whats going on.
You have no Idea what he has said or told other people.
You tried this for a short period of time? For ll you know he was getting lucky. Could be an 18 yo's in a row situation. That might be a reason you couldn't find the bug there never was one.
Perhaps he has someone betting the other side at the same time. One person happens to get lucky and win the other person loses. Most people wouldn't try to FK him and figure it out themselves, they would want to make a deal ASAP(its like a sports touting service who gives out both sides of a pick) . Once he has you believing it works and he has his hooks into you he changes up the deal. Then he asks that person to put up all the money for 2k bets(clamming you'll make 10's of thousands and you can't lose, but he wants a 30% free roll now)
Look how easy it is you only need one big sucker http://www.nolandalla.com/con-man-swindles-suckers-gambling-system/
It would be impossible for him to get a penny from me unless earned on his money. From what I know, he is very firm about the bankrolling part. But who knows, he cut me off now. I guess some one told him what Ive been posting
No he's not, he has made diffrent deals and offers to various people. Aian you avoid many questions and fail to see the logic.Quote: ManiacwarrrtIt would be impossible for him to get a penny from me unless earned on his money. From what I know, he is very firm about the bankrolling part. But who knows, he cut me off now. I guess some one told him what Ive been posting
Question for you. He has offered people in NV the same deal. You have to use a cell phone and he texts you what to bet each hand after you text him various information. EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL? Even if he was just guessing what to bet that would be illegal in NV. Any state I know of has similar laws. I dont even know if you can use a non electronic counting device. IE. I dont know if you could legally sit on a countable VBJ machine and use a mechanical counting device. People have been arrested for using chips on a table game to count cards.
Quote: AxelWolfNo he's not, he has made diffrent deals and offers to various people. Aian you avoid many questions and fail to see the logic.
Question for you. He has offered people in NV the same deal. You have to use a cell phone and he texts you what to bet each hand after you text him various information. EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL? Even if he was just guessing what to bet that would be illegal in NV. Any state I know of has similar laws. I dont even know if you can use a non electronic counting device. IE. I dont know if you could legally sit on a countable VBJ machine and use a mechanical counting device. People have been arrested for using chips on a table game to count cards.
I call BS. Prove he tried to get money upfront from anyone. Now you ticked me off with your drivel and ass talk. You do a lot of it on here. Making long posts of baseless drivel. I can post my entire email conversation with him. Not once has he asked me for money.
And when I met him in person. AND text message conversations between us stating clearly he will provide the bank roll. He had plenty of money on him. Im 100% sure he does NOT need my money.
People sit at the electronic baccarat machines using their phone all day texting, emailng , in both the east and west coast. No one has ever gotten heat. Period. They do not care. So please save the "rescue" mister whitw knight. You post nothing but junk.
I can prove it. I can take a video, of a person using a baccarat app on their iphone to help give them the highest percentage bet. Banker or player. Ive watched this happen in plain sight in front of employees long before I ever met letswin. They do not care because they do not believe their rigged rng machines can be beaten.
So save the drivel "expert axel"
Quote: ManiacwarrrtI call BS. Prove he tried to get money upfront from anyone. Now you ticked me off with your drivel and ass talk. You do a lot of it on here. Making long posts of baseless drivel. I can post my entire email conversation with him. Not once has he asked me for money.
And when I met him in person. AND text message conversations between us stating clearly he will provide the bank roll. He had plenty of money on him. Im 100% sure he does NOT need my money.
People sit at the electronic baccarat machines using their phone all day texting, emailng , in both the east and west coast. No one has ever gotten heat. Period. They do not care. So please save the "rescue" mister whitw knight. You post nothing but junk.
I can prove it. I can take a video, of a person using a baccarat app on their iphone to help give them the highest percentage bet. Banker or player. Ive watched this happen in plain sight in front of employees long before I ever met letswin. They do not care because they do not believe their rigged rng machines can be beaten.
So save the drivel "expert axel"
Just because they don't get in trouble doesn't mean it isn't illegal. The casinos don't care about people doing it because people using those apps or other things aren't gaining an advantage so they still lose money. You honestly think a casino won't start wondering when people are winning millions of dollars and use every legal recourse they have to get their money back and have you arrested.
Also again you have no idea what he is doing so there is no way you could comment on the legality of it.
Also just in general this whole thing smells super fishy. There are theoretically ways to exploit weakness in an autoshuffler which could be how he wins both on those machines and on live games; I read one such paper from a professor of combinatorics at UCSD the particular shuffler examined there was never implemented but it is conceivable currently implemented machines have some other weakness with them. The problem is he spent 2 years talking about how his system was random beating pseduorandom or some absurd thing. Exploiting weaknesses in RNG or autoshufflers is more complicated than just random beats not random.
Also got to say if this is legitimate and you tried to beat it after watching him for a few minutes or hours you either have no concept of the mathematical complexities involved or you were destroyed by hubris.
Small correction the professor I was thinking of was from USC http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~fulman/casinorevised.pdf
Twirdman said it very well no need to repeat the same type of thing.Quote: ManiacwarrrtI call BS. Prove he tried to get money upfront from anyone. Now you ticked me off with your drivel and ass talk. You do a lot of it on here. Making long posts of baseless drivel. I can post my entire email conversation with him. Not once has he asked me for money.
And when I met him in person. AND text message conversations between us stating clearly he will provide the bank roll. He had plenty of money on him. Im 100% sure he does NOT need my money.
People sit at the electronic baccarat machines using their phone all day texting, emailng , in both the east and west coast. No one has ever gotten heat. Period. They do not care. So please save the "rescue" mister whitw knight. You post nothing but junk.
I can prove it. I can take a video, of a person using a baccarat app on their iphone to help give them the highest percentage bet. Banker or player. Ive watched this happen in plain sight in front of employees long before I ever met letswin. They do not care because they do not believe their rigged rng machines can be beaten.
So save the drivel "expert axel"
Regarding what he told YOU has nothing to do with what he told others. I'm sure he tells everyone something different and what he thinks they want to hear. Or perhaps he changed his deal after the stunt you pulled (I know I would)
I'm not sure why you care so much, it doesn't really affect "you" right? You seem overly passionate about this, I WONDER WHY? I cant imagine you of all people(considering you told us how you do business) care about the integrity of all this.
Here's an article with some interesting information I'm NOT saying its the same but some interesting stuff ill past a few things that might help anyone thinking of getting caught up in this. http://ggbmagazine.com/issue/vol-14-no-3-march-2015/article/surveillance-security-slot-machines-under-attack
According to information on the FBI website, the devices were used to predict the behavior of certain slot machines from several major slot manufacturers. By communicating with a foreign server, the devices allowed the defendants to predict the behavior of the vulnerable games and obtain winnings from the games that far exceeded what would be expected from fair play.
Little snippets have been coming out of Europe and South America about how groups were winning on slot machines while at the same time spending a lot of time on their CELL PHONES.
At some point they suggest casinos do lots of audits.
ME posted this.
http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=5343
NRS 465.075 Use or possession of device to obtain advantage at playing game in licensed gaming establishment.
1. It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment, including, without limitation, a device that:
(a) Projects the outcome of the game;
(b) Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play;
(c) Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to a game; or
(d) Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,
Ê except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.
2. As used in this section, “advantage” means a benefit obtained by one or more participants in a game through information or knowledge that is not made available as part of the game as approved by the Board or Commission.
Quote: AxelWolfTwirdman said it very well no need to repeat the same type of thing.
Regarding what he told YOU has nothing to do with what he told other. I'm sure he tells everyone something different and what he thinks they want to hear. Or perhaps he changed his deal after the stunt you pulled (I know I would)
I'm not sure why you care so much it doesn't really affect you right?
Here's an article with some interesting information I'm NOT saying its the same but some interesting stuff ill past a few things that might help anyone thinking of getting caught up in this. http://ggbmagazine.com/issue/vol-14-no-3-march-2015/article/surveillance-security-slot-machines-under-attack
According to information on the FBI website, the devices were used to predict the behavior of certain slot machines from several major slot manufacturers. By communicating with a foreign server, the devices allowed the defendants to predict the behavior of the vulnerable games and obtain winnings from the games that far exceeded what would be expected from fair play.
Little snippets have been coming out of Europe and South America about how groups were winning on slot machines while at the same time spending a lot of time on their CELL PHONES.
At some point they suggest casinos do lots of audits.
ME posted this.
http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=5343
NRS 465.075 Use or possession of device to obtain advantage at playing game in licensed gaming establishment.
1. It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment, including, without limitation, a device that:
(a) Projects the outcome of the game;
(b) Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play;
(c) Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to a game; or
(d) Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,
Ê except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.
2. As used in this section, “advantage” means a benefit obtained by one or more participants in a game through information or knowledge that is not made available as part of the game as approved by the Board or Commission.
So you decided to shade your unintelligent drivel with articles that are not remotely relevant here. Im pissed off because you're basically calling me a liar. With NO proof. And from the looks of things? You and some other salem witch trial witch hunters believe your own smoke. Sad.
Heres a fun question. Why do YOU care? I don't sit well with lies. Or, lies don't sit well with me. I can post email conversations, dated ones that are verifiable, of my conversations with him, and the ones he had with the folks who introduced him to me. No solicitation for money. No scam. All the same thing. Can you do the same? Or are the drones, excuse me, general consensus supposed to believe just your words?
Oh and mister white knight? I saw other people in the casino doing something similar to what he was doing, WITHOUT a cell phone. They were doing something illegal too?
When the smoke and "articles" clear. All thats left is the chinese thief who is being called a liar for NO reason what so ever. Put your evidence where your mouth is.
What a stupid argument. I dont care who has the last word. I made my point. This is not a world where you can just say whatever you want and expect it to have no effect on others. And you cannot make statements or actions with zero proof. I am out.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtI am out.
For real this time?
As much as I believe this is a scam, I disagree wholeheartedly with Axel and BBB about the banning. They can both post their opinions that this is a scam, and for forum members to take caution, but that should be where it ends.
As for the 'illegal' part.... I think it is reasonable for Axel to opine that he thinks this play is illegal, but so what? Lots of plays that are technically illegal, like dice influencing, are tolerated every day. (Mathextremist has cited that it would be illegal to alter the fair odds or something like that).
So I am against the banning, until we find out that letswin and mania are the same person. And as unpleasant as it may be to read what you think is a scam, I don't think this one should be closed.
Hey, I'm recruiting members for a Baccarat team, too, that uses no electronics and everybody wins.
We meet up, play baccarat, and get drunk. Then maybe get some Chinese food afterwards. Everybody wins!
...for about 30 minutes.Quote: TigerWuHaha, wow... this thread's gone crazy!
Hey, I'm recruiting members for a Baccarat team, too, that uses no electronics and everybody wins.
We meet up, play baccarat, and get drunk. Then maybe get some Chinese food afterwards. Everybody wins!
Is that another Chinese joke ;-?Quote: Romes...for about 30 minutes.
Don't mess with the Chinese. They got us 4-1.
Wouldn't be pretty in a bar fight.
Quote: beachbumbabsWho said anything about closing the thread? I didn't. Don't think any other mod did. Just curious.
Eliminating the OP is more in line with what I meant. He can't answer any questions, elaborate, etc... so the thread is closed except for this type of banter. Unban him! Or close the thread....!
Quote: SOOPOOUnban him! Or close the thread....!
Or, ignore this thread.
Quote: SOOPOOEliminating the OP is more in line with what I meant. He can't answer any questions, elaborate, etc... so the thread is closed except for this type of banter. Unban him! Or close the thread....!
No! lol.
It's being looked into. It'll be a couple days.
After a million (28) emails back and forth and a meeting time set of Thursday at 12pm at resorts world casino in New York - I received this email ten minutes ago..... Evaluate for yourself
https://imgur.com/a/f06ws
https://imgur.com/a/5eJd0
Quote: Wizardofnothing
After a million (28) emails back and forth and a meeting time set of Thursday at 12pm at resorts world casino in New York - I received this email ten minutes ago..... Evaluate for yourself
And three months from now something else will magically come up, and he will "unfortunately" have to cancel or postpone again....
https://imgur.com/a/LX2Ly
https://imgur.com/a/9aiuV
Quote: Wizardofnothing
So in your opinion was this a scam attempt that he realized wasn't going to work because everyone on WOV is too savvy or was there some other purpose?
I supposed time wasting can't be ruled out -- the internet is filled with people just doing stupid stuff to amuse themselves and or gain attention.
Quote: WizardofnothingOk so I waited before I would give any more info.
After a million (28) emails back and forth and a meeting time set of Thursday at 12pm at resorts world casino in New York - I received this email ten minutes ago..... Evaluate for yourself . . .
What a Surpise!
I too had been in earnest email conversation with his, willing to bankroll myself to the tune of a few hundred thousand ( Though, apparently $2500 would kill the job )
I made quite clear that I'm in the UK. I asked if UK machines would work with his system, which apparently they would.
He insisted that before we proceed, he MUST meet me in New York, whereupon he would bankroll me $3,500 with which to train me up. He wanted me out in NY for at least two weeks and he would reimburse my travel costs. There was to be no risk to my money, and indeed he switched stories from potentially bankrolling me to INSISTING on bankrolling me. I agreed to fly out subject to wife's approval.....
Then, he blew me off on a spurious excuse of a lie. Full details later.
Now, I ask you this: If there was any semblance of truth in his story, in his approach/system, what would be better for him than two or more established members of this forum who were prepared to be team members, advocates and vocal promoters for him?
It was just one bloody big wind up. Maybe started out as a simple classic hustle, but once he knew we were onto him, he just tried to prolong his smoke and mirrors by offering to do the freeroll after a few meet-ups.
The full story and 'system' to be revealed soon.
Does he not know what question marks are or how to use them?Quote: WizardofnothingOk so I waited before I would give any more info.
After a million (28) emails back and forth and a meeting time set of Thursday at 12pm at resorts world casino in New York - I received this email ten minutes ago..... Evaluate for yourself
https://imgur.com/a/f06ws
https://imgur.com/a/5eJd0
I have a way to win.
Don't have to give me anything upfront. Go to the casino, tell me the last hand via text, and I will text you what to bet. And you will pay me a percentage of what you win. After the day is over. Can go to any live casino. No online casinos.
You will be ahead every day.
There is one firm rule. You will leave the table and the casino exactly when I say to. If you ever violate this rule (continue playing after I say leave, or, bet when I say not to bet) the partnership is over.
Not a system I will sell you or try to sell you. And I will never ask you for any money upfront or for an investment. I get paid only after I make you money!
Maximum profit per day in units is +20-50units.
Maximum Life time bankroll needed is 30 units! I will provide the bank roll!
If you are ok with every thing I just said? Then send me an email and lets start making money
Quote: RomesDoes he not know what question marks are or how to use them?
No. Nor apostrophes. . . And neither does new member ManiacWarrr
Quote: OnceDearNo. Nor apostrophes. . . And neither does new member ManiacWarrr
This is a joke right? You're seriously serious bout this? Check all of my posts carefully genius.
Quote: WizardofnothingEven yoyr screen name can be somewhat related to his email-
I'm sure it can. I got a huge wart on my hand. Never removed. Luv luv luvvv the attention it gives me. His email? Religious. So alike. The white knights have taken down the biggest scam ever. All the money hes taken selling his baccarat system. Wow. And some how? I'm included. What a joke this forum is. What's the matter wizardofnothing? He turn you down too, so now you're all upset and throwing a tantrum cuz ya can't be in like I was?
Quote: Nobody 'cos this isn't a quoteManiacwarrt posted Some stuff
Member Type: Regular Member
Join Date: July 8, 2016
Last Visit: July 13, 2016
Posts Made: 27
Isn't there a rule about that?
Quote: OnceDear
I make up stuff
So that's what we are doing now?
Quote: ManiacwarrrtSo that's what we are doing now?
Where was that quoted from?
Hope you didn't make a quote and add your own text in. If so, see ya in 3 days.
Quote: GWAEWhere was that quoted from?
Hope you didn't make a quote and add your own text in. If so, see ya in 3 days.
Exactly. That's what I expected. This isnt a free public foum. This place is a monarchy where certain people, as long as they conform to the over lords? They are free and clear. A complete joke.
No wonder letswin was banned.
Oncedear quotes me saying "some old baloney". I NEVER said that. I do a similar tactic, yet since I'm not a part of the "clique". Only I get questioned about it. JOKE
Thanks for exposing the forum further for me GWAE
Quote: ManiacwarrrtExactly. That's what I expected. This isnt a free public foum. This place is a monarchy where certain people, as long as they conform to the over lords? They are free and clear. A complete joke.
No wonder letswin was banned.
Oncedear quotes me saying "some old baloney". I NEVER said that. I do a similar tactic, yet since I'm not a part of the "clique". Only I get questioned about it. JOKE
Thanks for exposing the forum further for me GWAE
I completely missed that, so my apologies. I would expect both to get a time out as there has already been precedent over mis quotes.
Quote: Quote: OnceDear
I make up stuff
ManiacwarrrtSo that's what we are doing now?
Eewww!
Don't poke the pregnant sloths of the world.....
"Hell Hath No Fury......... ". 2F
Quote: GWAEI completely missed that, so my apologies. I would expect both to get a time out as there has already been precedent over mis quotes.
There is no precedent. You didn't miss that. Oncedear is not on your radar. She/he is a part of the clique. This forum is like a mob. They decide what is. And if anyone doesnt conform? Or claim to accomplish some thing they collectively agree that if they haven't figured out how, it's not possible? Instant target.
Quote: GWAEI completely missed that, so my apologies. I would expect both to get a time out as there has already been precedent over mis quotes.
I hate to side with maniacwartt on the misquote situation but imo he was purposely misquoted in a way to put him down by a member who has been on here long enough to know better and while Maniacwartt answered with his own misquote, it was more in the form of a question pointing out the earlier post than an actual putdown.
That plus as a new member he may not have known about that rule and was responding in kind, I feel he should get some leeway.
Now he probably does need a cool down for some other posts but that's how I feel about the misquote.
Let's win Craigslist post went up at night on the 8th therefore making it impossible for him to have found him via that method either - the whole thing is bull - let's be completely honest everyone knows it
Quote: ManiacwarrrtThis isnt a free public foum. This place is a monarchy where certain people, as long as they conform to the over lords? They are free and clear.
That's literally every internet forum I've ever been on in my life.
I can't think of a single one that didn't have rules that people had to adhere to or else they were punished in some way.
Quote: WizardofnothingThe problem I have with this is maniac signed up after let's win was suspended- he could not have met with him because of this forum since he wasn't supposedly a member -
Let's win Craigslist post went up at night on the 8th therefore making it impossible for him to have found him via that method either - the whole thing is bull - let's be completely honest everyone knows it
My signing up here had nothing to do with him being banned. I posted here after I knew he wasn't here to see what I posted. I don't know how you got the craigslist ad, but he's been running that ad on craigslist for months and then deleted it. I responded to his craigslist ad, then saw him advertising here and another place and decided to sign up and post. I know craigslist. There is no way for you to know how long an ad has been running or renewed after it's been deleted. But since this is salem witch trial monarchy and anything that's said by a member of the "clique" is usually taken as truth? That's why you would say what date the ad was up or down, knowing it makes zero sense to ever be able to know 100% how long it's been up. I don't know how long it has been up. I just know Ive seen it for months.
But since this place gets a kick out of taking things that are said as truth with no real
Proof, since I am here and have been included in letswins's "not system selling scam" and obviously can't beat the mob of lies on their own turf I will join them. Ha
Letswin sold me his system and ran off with the money. So I met up with him so I can see what he looks like and beat him up for it. He didn't have the money. So I told him to scam it out of the members on this forum. And then pay me back. So far? He's scammed 10 people. 10 more and hell have paid me back in full.
Quote: TigerWuThat's literally every internet forum I've ever been on in my life.
I can't think of a single one that didn't have rules that people had to adhere to or else they were punished in some way.
You're right. Number one rule here. - as long as you are one of "us"? Whatever you say is 100% truth whether you have real proof or not. And even if it doesnt make sense. "we" will come together to make sure it is accepted as truth in our world. By any means neccesary.
