Baccarat team
Quote: gamerfreakThis is an interesting scam.
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It's coercing people to go gamble normally, but owe you a rake on their winnings. Pretty messed up!
It sounds like a take on the "perfect prediction" scam.
http://skepdic.com/perfectprediction.html
It's a pretty basic and old scam... It's just free rolling off people playing by getting them to believe you had some effect in the outcome via some 'system' or whatever.Quote: TigerWuIt sounds like a take on the "perfect prediction" scam.
http://skepdic.com/perfectprediction.html
A 'strong caution' to be 'extremely wary' is always good advise, not just when joining a gambling team.Quote: beachbumbabsI am hearing from third parties who have been in email discussions with him that this is in fact a scam. I strongly caution any members who were considering "working" with letswin to be extremely wary if you are continuing to correspond with him. More details expected soon. Thank you.
There are hungry bears in the woods.
Thx BABBs.
PM me if you are interested. I offer my take on how it works for free.
If certain people on here are fine with me discussing it publicly I will too. Particularly those who I have already discussed it with and the mods.
He uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked. Couldve been luck. I offered to use my own money, but, He says he will give me a bankroll to play with and expects thirty percent at the end of the day.
Im not going to do it because im going to try to figure out the "flaw" on my own. And I dont feel comfortable using anyone elses money. If I lose money trying to figure it out on my own? Oh well. But playing and giving up 30 percent is not my thing.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtHe uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked.
Isn't that considered cheating in most or all states?
Quote: gamerfreakIsn't think considered cheating in most or all states?
Good call.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtMet with him at resorts world. Since hes banned, Im sure it doesnt matter what I post about his system. .
Interesting that you joined here the day after he was banned.
May I ask how you ever got to meet him or know about him?
Quote: ManiacwarrrtThrough a friend. We have been trying to figure out what his system is for a while.
And you REALLY don't get it yet? WOW!
I will give the information away if i figure it out. After I make money off of it first myself.
RNG IN LIVE CARDS? Suspicious.Quote: ManiacwarrrtMet with him at resorts world. Since hes banned, Im sure it doesnt matter what I post about his system.
He uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked. Couldve been luck. I offered to use my own money, but, He says he will give me a bankroll to play with and expects thirty percent at the end of the day.
Im not going to do it because im going to try to figure out the "flaw" on my own. And I dont feel comfortable using anyone elses money. If I lose money trying to figure it out on my own? Oh well. But playing and giving up 30 percent is not my thing.
using a phone or whatever isn't cheating but hacking is.
I know I can crack em too!
Lets assume this is real. Lets assume the guy gives you money to play.Quote: ManiacwarrrtIm a programmer myself. If he can figure out a way to exploit some machine so can I.
I will give the information away if i figure it out. After I make money off of it first myself.
I assume this guy is using a computer from a remote location, I'm 99.99% you can't use a computer or device to help you play a game. Are the laws significantly diffrent in NY from NV laws? You can't even use your phone to look up a strategy in NV.
So yes, I can see why he would want a patsy in the casino.
It's strange that he would advertise on a public forum especially when someone like you could just come on the forum and expose it. Why not just have friends and family do it? Oh ya, perhaps he doesn't want them going to jail. Perhaps he's safely in some other country and that's why he has taken to the internet to advertise. Hes made millions already but now hes just getting greedy. I can't believe the casino hasn't noticed millions missing. What's to keep someone from calling the casino or the state gaming commission and have them be on the look out for people texting at the baccarat machines now?
Something just isn't right.
I assumed they used this http://www.interblockgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/RWNY9-300x225.jpgQuote: ManiacwarrrtThe video baccarat machines are digital and use an rng. Its dealt from an infinite mock shoe. Or a digital computer
I know I can crack em too!
Quote: OnceDearAnd you REALLY don't get it yet? WOW!
Perhaps he hasn't figured out what his friend is doing cuz he's looking at the wrong machines. I'm under the same impression as Axel that it's the live decks machines not the video simulation baccarat.
The live deck video bacarat machines and the digital baccarat machines are both dealt from an infinite deck. The cards are only shown being dealt by the metallic hand to offer realism. To encourage pattern bettors to play. It is all decided by a random number generator that decides each card that is drawn and each hand.
Both display the hands on the same digital screen. How the hands are decided only appear different.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtThis forum is pretty frustrating. Haha
The live deck video bacarat machines and the digital baccarat machines are both dealt from an infinite deck. The cards are only shown being dealt by the metallic hand to offer realism. To encourage pattern bettors to play. It is all decided by a random number generator that decides each card that is drawn and each hand.
Both display the hands on the same digital screen. How the hands are decided only appear different.
What you are saying is incorrect. For the live cards to be just a visual simulation, then the shuffling machine and computer would have to be in sync and all outcomes for an entire 8 deck game would have to be predetermined anyway because the live cards would have to be "shuffled" in the correct order for them to appear during the game. That is patently ridiculous.
In reality, the cards are shuffled randomly, THEN the computer reads the deck.
So you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.Quote: ManiacwarrrtOn the east coast and the west coast? You can use your cell phone to do anything you want while sitting at the digital video baccarat machines. Its considered a slot machine to them. The cards are dealt from an infinite mock deck and use an rng to decide the valueof each card and each hand.
In NV it's illegal to use a cell phone to even count cards on a VBJ machine. If I understand properly it's illegal to use any personal electronic device in the casino for the purpose of playing.
I'm not sure about using one in the sports book I have seen people imputing lines into a program on their laptops.
If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.
I think the OP is claiming any interblock Baccarat anywhere so that's definitely suspicious. For all we know he worked for the company and he has found a way. Anything I can imagine would be illegal in the USA.Quote: darkozWhat you are saying is incorrect. For the live cards to be just a visual simulation, then the shuffling machine and computer would have to be in sync and all outcomes for an entire 8 deck game would have to be predetermined anyway because the live cards would have to be "shuffled" in the correct order for them to appear during the game. That is patently ridiculous.
In reality, the cards are shuffled randomly, THEN the computer reads the deck.
I just can't imagine why he would tout this and recruit so publicly.
Quote: AxelWolfSo you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.
In NV it's illegal to use a cell phone to even count cards on a VBJ machine. If I understand properly it's illegal to use any personal electronic device in the casino for the purpose of playing.
I'm not sure about using one in the sports book I have seen people imputing lines into a program on their laptops.
They are pretty lax about cell phone use in Resorts World. You can certainly use your phone in front of any gaming machine there.
However, they would absolutely call the police and press charges if they discovered you were using it for hacking/cheating moves.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtRight. What he showed me appeared a statistical anamoly in their rng design. No cheating.
Oh for Expletives sake!
The software, the calls back to base are the smoke and mirrors!!!
There is no exploited flaw in the rng! There is no system to be figured out! There doesn't need to be.
Others in this thread have already screamed the system loud and clear.
If Mysterious new guy Maniac has actually physically seen the 'play' then he has been totally distracted by the smoke and mirrors. It's all hogwash FFS!
Pure and simple, the system is to assign the 'player' a modest daily target which is very likely achievable without any special knowledge of the future, and then when the victim almost inevitably wins the target amount, he sends 30% of winnings for the 'advice' he's received of what hands to play.
Anyone who believes in the software trickery wants his bumps reading.
Quote: AxelWolfSo you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.
It is illegal to do that in NYS.
NYS Penal Law:
Article 225, Par. 27
27. "Unlawful gaming property" means:
(a) any device, not prescribed for use in casinio gaming by its rules,
which is capable of assisting a player:
(i) to calculate any probabilities material to the outcome of a
contest of chance; or
(ii) to receive or transmit information material to the outcome of a
contest of chance; or
(b) any object or article which, by virtue of its size, shape or any
other quality, is capable of being used in casino gaming as an improper
substitute for a genuine chip, cheque, token, betting coupon, debit
instrument, voucher or other instrument or indicia of value; or
(c) any unfair gaming equipment.
Quote: AxelWolfYou can't even use your phone to look up a strategy in NV.
The laws I've seen were worded in such a way that it would not be illegal in NV to use your phone to look up strategy charts. Has there ever been a case that said otherwise?
Quote: ManiacwarrrtYou do realize you just agreed with me? It doesnt matter if the live cards are preshuffled Randomly before being read by the machine Or decided randomly and then read by the machine individually. It is all decided by a random number generator.
If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.
SO, since it pretty much is out in the open, the OP hacks into the computer of Resorts World to get the same pre-read info it has in playing the predetermined deck. OP supplies bankroll for someone to go in and text him the cards dealt in a particular hand.
Using that hand info, he can locate where in the information string his predetermined list is and can then instruct the player what bets to make through the next dozen or so hands.
When the cops come to arrest someone, the player goes from playing Baccarat in the casino to playing Gin Rummy in prison and the OP finds another dupe to do his dirty work.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtYou do realize you just agreed with me? It doesnt matter if he live cards are preshuffled Randomly before being read by the machine Or decided randomly and then read by the machine individually. It is all decided by a random number generator.
If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.
I didn't say it was illegal to talk on your phone. It's illegal to use your phone to attempt to gain an advantage on a slot/vp/or table game. IT'S A FELONY. They may not say anything if you pull out phone and use your calculator to calculate the best play something like a VP machine hold. I'm not going to search and give you examples. perhaps some states dont have a law about using a device. IMO if someone is relaying information on a cell phone and that information is giving them an advantage they are going to jail if they get caught.
Also I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about, because some VBJ machines ARE IN FACT COUNTABLE.
Also I think that's a sh*tty thing. Someone tells you about something, they make a deal, they prove it works, then you basically tell them to go pond sand and you're going to figure it out yourself.Quote: ManiacwarrrtMet with him at resorts world. Since hes banned, Im sure it doesnt matter what I post about his system.
He uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked. Couldve been luck. I offered to use my own money, but, He says he will give me a bankroll to play with and expects thirty percent at the end of the day.
Im not going to do it because im going to try to figure out the "flaw" on my own. And I dont feel comfortable using anyone elses money. If I lose money trying to figure it out on my own? Oh well. But playing and giving up 30 percent is not my thing.
Of course you are going to say, he said, it's ok, right?
All I know is I met him. He showed me what he does. He told me how it works. Bankrolling me with his money, paying him 30% of what I win with his bankroll I turned it down because I dont like using some one elses money. And I dont like sharing the profits I earn after playing all day
I said i was going to try to find out what he was doing on my own because i SAW it win him money. He didnt scam me he didnt ask me for money. He was going to bankroll me $3500 which he had on him.
Now im being attacked and being told that im lying about being able to use a phone at the digital tables. And that the video
Baccarat machines dont use an rng?
The only smoke and mirrors is this forum. You guys think and say what you want no matter what.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtWow. You guys are crazy.
All I know is I met him. He showed me what he does. He told me how it works. Bankrolling me with his money, paying him 30% of what I win with his bankroll I turned it down because I dont like using some one elses money. And I dont like sharing the profits I earn after playing all day
I said i was going to try to find out what he was doing on my own because i SAW it win him money. He didnt scam me he didnt ask me for money. He was going to bankroll me $3500 which he had on him.
Now im being attacked and being told that im lying about being able to use a phone at the digital tables. And that the video
Baccarat machines dont use an rng?
The only smoke and mirrors is this forum. You guys think and say what you want no matter what.
So basically you stole his system and believe using cell phones and computers to make bets so that you can win at Baccarat is perfectly legal.
Thanks.Quote: ManiacwarrrtWow. You guys are crazy.
Quote: ManiacwarrrtWow. You guys are crazy.
All I know is I met him. He showed me what he does. He told me how it works. Bankrolling me with his money, paying him 30% of what I win with his bankroll I turned it down because I dont like using some one elses money. And I dont like sharing the profits I earn after playing all day
I said i was going to try to find out what he was doing on my own because i SAW it win him money. He didnt scam me he didnt ask me for money. He was going to bankroll me $3500 which he had on him.
Now im being attacked and being told that im lying about being able to use a phone at the digital tables. And that the video
Baccarat machines dont use an rng?
The only smoke and mirrors is this forum. You guys think and say what you want no matter what.
Wart is very fitting. Guy shows you the play and only wants 30% plus you have no risk. Then you are going to try and steal it. Are you Chinese or something? No better than knockoff patent thief putting out bootleg CD's. Geeze.
But "a bug in RNG" is quite different from the "random to beat random" claim that he spent 2 years to build. if I had followed his posts for 2 years and then took the time to meet him in person only to find that all his hocus pocus is really just a "bug in RNG" i would probably literally kick him right on the spot.
Quote: andysifOK, assume Maniacwarrrt really met letswin and letswin says his system is that he found a bug in some RNG, be it real or some smoke and mirror for the perfect prediction scam.
But "a bug in RNG" is quite different from the "random to beat random" claim that he spent 2 years to build. if I had followed his posts for 2 years and then took the time to meet him in person only to find that all his hocus pocus is really just a "bug in RNG" i would probably literally kick him right on the spot.
Either way, I still think whatever he is doing if it involves using a computer and or a cell phone it's illegal.
Quote: WizardofnothingI think a lot of people should reserve judgement. I'm going to check it out, he has not tried to sell anything or asked for a single penny,
From being banned for system selling with no proof and after saying he wasnt selling a system. With more than one person saying that he isnt selling anything and is providing the bankroll. And the way I was attacked for saying the video baccarat machines use an rng even though it even says it clearly on the developers
Websie that even the live dealing ones use an rng to determine what cards are dealt and how the "shoe" is shuffled. AND as I said, in the casino? You can see it on the main screen saying "running on digital". Yet with all of that? I still got attacked as "making it up". Ha
What's the point of clearing anything upon a forum that reacts like this? Haha. Its a joke here im seeing.
But we are the joke?
+1Quote: billryanYou could play risk free, with a guaranteed 70% profit and detailed instructions but instead you intend to use your own money and guess your way around the system.
But we are the joke?
Quote: billryanYou could play risk free, with a guaranteed 70% profit and detailed instructions but instead you intend to use your own money and guess your way around the system.
But we are the joke?
Right.
So an independent mind that refuses to conform and tries to figure out things on hisown is a joke. I see.
His offer is not for me. Whats wrong with that? And if I figure it out some how on my own? I wont need his bank roll. AND? I keep 100% of the profits.
Personal independent progress is a joke too huh? Ha!
Quote: MaxPenWart is very fitting. Guy shows you the play and only wants 30% plus you have no risk. Then you are going to try and steal it. Are you Chinese or something? No better than knockoff patent thief putting out bootleg CD's. Geeze.
Max. You know better. I know you do.
3 days, personal insult + racial slur.
racial slur? He was just asking what nationality he was.Quote: beachbumbabsMax. You know better. I know you do.
3 days, personal insult + racial slur.
deletedQuote: AxelWolfracial slur? He was just asking what nationality he was.
Oh no you didn't!!!Quote: UCivandeleted
Now you just got 2f all curious.
