whats your favorite system in craps :)
Babs, answer the same question!Quote: SOOPOOHow few 7's do you think you could roll out of say 1000 rolls? Do you think you can hold your sevens down to 140 or less?
ZCore13
Quote: odiousgambitBabs, answer the same question!
My answer is, I don't know.
My very short term positive results can easily be written off to variance.
I don't play enough to have long-term results.
Quote: SOOPOOWelcome to the forum. I am a doubter that setting the dice changes the random outcomes that you would expect from rolling them down a craps table towards that wall with fancy pyramids. I have made a 'challenge' here a few years back that a member who made claims like you could not roll fewer 7's than would be expected by a random tosser like myself. I won the challenge.
How few 7's do you think you could roll out of say 1000 rolls? Do you think you can hold your sevens down to 140 or less?
Let me know when you have a table set up and I'll come roll with you while we tabulate some results.
If there's enough money in the challenge I can set up a private table here in LV.Quote: MisterManLet me know when you have a table set up and I'll come roll with you while we tabulate some results.
Anyone who has this ability should be rolling in money. A 2k ++ challenge shouldn't mean a thing.
You can invite WMW to the party for a challenge as well.
Quote: AxelWolfIf there's enough money in the challenge I can set up a private table here in LV.
Anyone who has this ability should be rolling in money. A 2k ++ challenge shouldn't mean a thing.
You can invite WMW to the party for a challenge as well.
It's a challenge with one's self, so it doesn't make much sense to have money on the line.
And if you're trying to completely twist this into something beyond anything that has been said thus far, then count me out. I'm certainly no highly skilled dice controller by any means. It's just simple fact of matter that dice setting will reduce your 7 hits. And all my concern is to reduce my chances of honeymooning, so that my betting system remains profitable a higher percentage of times.
Quote: MisterManSays a guy who regurgitates things he has read and won't pick the dice up himself to record results and know for himself.
That's the kick I always get out of this constant argument about dice setting. People love to talk crap(pun intended), but won't do the very simple leg work to just prove whether it works or not. Throw 1000 rolls of just grabbing and flinging the dice and record results. Then do a dice set and throw another 1000 rolls and compare results. When you're getting 7 come up far less times while setting, that's a huge advantage to you when you have a betting system to play around that. And it instantly shuts down the argument that setting doesn't work. Unless you're hung up on some idea that dice setting is to hit specific numbers, which no dice setter/controller has ever claimed.
But you're half right. The way to win isn't really based on setting. It is based on a risk reducing betting system. Setting dice is just going to get your win percentages up when you combine it with a good betting system.
Speaking of win percentages, that is what the mathematicians fallacy is. "Eventually the HE will win, so systems don't work". Using a betting system is no different than trading in the stock market. There doesn't seem to be any argument that trading stocks using certain strategies or systems to end the year with a net positive return, is legitimate. Despite the fact that no successful trader ever wins 100% of the trades they make. Gambling is no different. If you have a system that creates profit 80% of the time, then the system works. The problem is most people don't have the self control to stick to the system and accept a losing day as part of the process. If you're going to chase losses on a bad day, then you're not following the system. It doesn't mean the system doesn't work. It's simple math that if you cap your losses at 1000$ a day, and cap your wins at 500$ a day. Then an 80% win percentage nets you an average of 2000$ every 10 days. Was the HE of the game manipulated? No. Did the system win every time? No. Was there a positive cash flow? YES. So the theoretical HE is irrelevant as far as determining if a system works or not.
Anyway, do whatever you please. I have zero to gain by sharing my information. I don't teach setting, I don't sell any systems, I don't have any website I'm trying to drive traffic to. So I have zero reasons to BS about this either.
This is why I don't believe any of this "dice setting" stuff. You started off on the right track -- pick a set, make a bunch of tosses, record results. Then do it again, again, and again. This would be the proper way to practice and confirm* whether dice setting works or doesn't work.
Then that all went to waste when you started talking about using a betting system. Why would you use a betting system? If you can alter the dice probabilities enough to gain an advantage, you shouldn't be using a betting system.
Questions:
- Have you done what you mentioned above, where you do thousands of rolls and record the outcomes?
- If so, how many rolls do you have recorded? Over those recorded rolls, what percentage are 2's, 3's, 4's...10's, 11's, and 12's (each)?
Quote: MisterManThat's the kick I always get out of this constant argument about dice setting. People love to talk crap(pun intended), but won't do the very simple leg work to just prove whether it works or not. Throw 1000 rolls of just grabbing and flinging the dice and record results. Then do a dice set and throw another 1000 rolls and compare results. When you're getting 7 come up far less times while setting, that's a huge advantage to you when you have a betting system to play around that. And it instantly shuts down the argument that setting doesn't work.
Both you and I have thrown the dice thousands of times, in all manners and styles. Yet neither one of us is able to change how frequently we roll a seven at a craps table. Those facts should instantly shut down your argument that setting does work.
That's because there is no such thing as a DC/DIQuote: MisterMan
I'm certainly no highly skilled dice controller by any means.
Quote: MisterManIt's just simple fact of matter that dice setting will reduce your 7 hits.
No, it won't
Quote: MisterManLet me know when you have a table set up and I'll come roll with you while we tabulate some results.
Thank you for the quick polite offer. I live around Buffalo, NY, and although you haven't mentioned where you live, I doubt it is nearby. If you are in Vegas, I am not sure when I'll next be out there. If you are near me, or plan on visiting Niagara Falls this summer, let me know!
Any challenge that does NOT have money on the line doesn't make much sense.Quote: MisterManIt's a challenge with one's self, so it doesn't make much sense to have money on the line.
And please remember that Greek magician's assistant who later became a professor of statistics at Stanford: he found the recording errors made by his graduate students were more of a problem that any "dice setting or crooked dice" effect.
Agree.Quote: FleaStiffAny challenge that does NOT have money on the line doesn't make much sense.
I'm all for being polite, but when somebody won't 'put their money where their mouth is ' then, well, damnit, we all get to go 'boo, hiss' quite impolitely says me!
You are going to sit(stand) there and roll/watch hundreds of rolls, just for the hell of it?Quote: SOOPOOThank you for the quick polite offer. I live around Buffalo, NY, and although you haven't mentioned where you live, I doubt it is nearby. If you are in Vegas, I am not sure when I'll next be out there. If you are near me, or plan on visiting Niagara Falls this summer, let me know!
Quote: AxelWolfYou are going to sit(stand) there and roll/watch hundreds of rolls, just for the hell of it?
He stares at sleeping, drooling people and computer monitors for a living. It would probably be a welcome change. :)
Quote: AxelWolfIf there's enough money in the challenge I can set up a private table here in LV.
Anyone who has this ability should be rolling in money. A 2k ++ challenge shouldn't mean a thing.
You can invite WMW to the party for a challenge as well.
I never said I believe in dice setting.... actually I cant stand when people take time setting dice . But Id love to make some side bets with you and take your money!
Quote: SOOPOOThank you for the quick polite offer. I live around Buffalo, NY, and although you haven't mentioned where you live, I doubt it is nearby. If you are in Vegas, I am not sure when I'll next be out there. If you are near me, or plan on visiting Niagara Falls this summer, let me know!
I'm in western Canada. Hoping to make another trip to Vegas in August. Nothing planned officially yet though. Generally head down at least twice a year.
Quote: RSThis is why I don't believe any of this "dice setting" stuff. You started off on the right track -- pick a set, make a bunch of tosses, record results. Then do it again, again, and again. This would be the proper way to practice and confirm* whether dice setting works or doesn't work.
Then that all went to waste when you started talking about using a betting system. Why would you use a betting system? If you can alter the dice probabilities enough to gain an advantage, you shouldn't be using a betting system.
"Gaining an advantage" does not mean guaranteed no 7's ever. This is a ridiculous question. You utilize a betting strategy to maximize profits, period. Why WOULDN'T you use a betting system no matter what the dice probabilities were? Even the guys that are highly skilled DC's, still utilize a strategy. Like full pressing for 6 rolls, then your 7th roll wins your original bet back, and every roll there after is stacked up and making good profit until you 7 out.
Quote: RSQuestions:
- Have you done what you mentioned above, where you do thousands of rolls and record the outcomes?
- If so, how many rolls do you have recorded? Over those recorded rolls, what percentage are 2's, 3's, 4's...10's, 11's, and 12's (each)?
I go by my daily play. If I'm setting, I can virtually always count on 3 win rolls. If I'm just randomly tossing, it is just massive inconsistencies. It'll be honeymoon, 3 rolls, 15 rolls, honeymoon, just all over the map. Consistency is all I'm after at this point, it allows me to use a betting system to be consistently profitable.
Once I get my table set up, I will most certainly be spending hours a day throwing a recording results.
Quote: FleaStiffAny challenge that does NOT have money on the line doesn't make much sense.
If you say so. I've got no interest in dick measuring with some surly guys off a gambling forum. My interest is making consistent money. You're all free to believe whatever you please. The thread was about betting systems, and I shared exactly that, which works regardless of any dice setting as I mentioned.
Quote: MisterMan"Gaining an advantage" does not mean guaranteed no 7's ever. This is a ridiculous question. You utilize a betting strategy to maximize profits, period.
What is ridiculous is thinking any betting strategy maximizes profits more than maximizes losses at times. Betting strategy has no affect on the house edge.
Quote: MisterManEven the guys that are highly skilled DC's, still utilize a strategy.
No such thing.
Quote: MisterManI go by my daily play. If I'm setting, I can virtually always count on 3 win rolls. If I'm just randomly tossing, it is just massive inconsistencies.
Sorry, but there would be no difference if you tracked in detail every throw both ways. The mind plays tricks on you when you believe something is true.
Quote: MisterManIt allows me to use a betting system to be consistently profitable.
Wrong.
Quote: MisterManOnce I get my table set up, I will most certainly be spending hours a day throwing a recording results.
That should be an eye opener for you.
ZCore13
Quote: MisterManIf I'm setting, I can virtually always count on 3 win rolls.
Just saying something doesn't make it true. And what you're saying here is very clearly untrue
Quote: Zcore13What is ridiculous is thinking any betting strategy maximizes profits more than maximizes losses at times. Betting strategy has no affect on the house edge.
Well if your maximum losses are built into your strategy, then no that isn't ridiculous at all, it's mathematically accurate. What's ridiculous is to keep spouting something about the mathematical House Edge, while simultaneously not having any understanding of math, or odds/probabilities. And house edge has no effect on how the game plays out. The only thing you can deduce from house edge, is that if you stay long enough you will lose. It means nothing more than that.
Quote: Zcore13No such thing.
Well then there is some insanely lucky MOFO's out there that continue to defy all forms of mathematics on the subject who happen to believe it works. If practicing dice setting/control increases ones luck, then what the heck do you have to lose? I could use a little more luck.
Quote: Zcore13Sorry, but there would be no difference if you tracked in detail every throw both ways. The mind plays tricks on you when you believe something is true.
If my mind has the ability to change past recorded outcomes, then I'd be finding better alternatives to creating income than craps. In any sense, it's more for my own curiosity.
**Edit my mod: OnceDear: ** unacceptable language removed. The attitude was un-necessary too.
Quote: MisterManAnyway. Seems a few sour c**ts that didn't get enough hugs from mommy and daddy are hell bent to deduce this thread into garbage. Unfortunate, I enjoy seeing what others are doing for their strategies. If it's just about some sort of keyboard warrior feel good win that you need. I can just pretend to just agree and say that dice setting doesn't work if it'll get this thread back on track. As mentioned I have nothing riding on this, just here for the discussion. Is that fair? Can the cry babies be done now? Or should I just go find a friendlier forum?
It seems like your projecting your own feelings onto others. That's ok, that's what these internet chatrooms are here for. Here's the one true betting system to win money at a casino: Turn the house edge into a players edge. One way to do that is to control the dice well enough to win a prop bet. It's become quite obvious you won't do that
Edit by Mod: OnceDear :** No need to quote the clearly unacceptable swear words. Thanks.
Quote: TomGIt seems like your projecting your own feelings onto others. That's ok, that's what these internet chatrooms are here for. Here's the one true betting system to win money at a casino: Turn the house edge into a players edge. One way to do that is to control the dice well enough to win a prop bet. It's become quite obvious you won't do that
Ok cool, so you don't understand dice setting. We already knew that. What am I projecting? I barely even mentioned dice setting, and everytime I have tried to drop it, zcore comes back like a sniveling b****h with some ignorant baseless comments.
So sure, you win. Dice setting doesn't work. Happy?
Speaking of prop bets. I'd be interested to try a hedging system on 2 or 12 to see how often it was effective. That's something I would only try on a table at home.
Edit by Mod : OnceDear: **** Enjoy your time-out MisterMan
hmmm, people were pretty polite this time actually, which you didnt recognize.
I'll just repeat there is no point in being polite to someone making ridiculous claims who then won't put his money where his mouth is.
Quote: MisterManOk cool, so you don't understand dice setting.
Because I understand it, I am able to understand that you can't do it
Quote: MisterManSo sure, you win. Dice setting doesn't work. Happy?
It can work, just not when you try it. Disagree? Put up some money to back up your claims
Quote: MisterManAnyway. Seems a few sour c**ts that didn't get enough hugs from mommy and daddy are hell bent to deduce this thread into garbage. Unfortunate, I enjoy seeing what others are doing for their strategies. If it's just about some sort of keyboard warrior feel good win that you need. I can just pretend to just agree and say that dice setting doesn't work if it'll get this thread back on track. As mentioned I have nothing riding on this, just here for the discussion. Is that fair? Can the cry babies be done now? Or should I just go find a friendlier forum?
And with that... You get to take a little time out to explore other friendlier forums.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/2-forum-rules/#post37215
rule 6
I have to brush up on the martingale rules, but I expect 3 days break would be about the tariff for this first offence.
Just an FYI MisterMan, If you have a way of setting dice, or wagering that makes playing more amusing, then you are welcome to share it.
If you have a method that leaves you consistently in profit, then just take it to the casino, get rich, and don't waste your breath telling us about it.
You finally got an official notch in your belt.Quote: OnceDearAnd with that... You get to take a little time out to explore other friendlier forums.
Quote: WatchMeWinI never said I believe in dice setting.... actually I cant stand when people take time setting dice . But Id love to make some side bets with you and take your money!
Believing you can beat craps via DI is kinda dumb, not believing in DI and still thinking you can beat craps is just F***ing stupid. (I'm not calling you stupid).
IIRC you tried to make a bet that was in your favor mathematically. I get the feeling this is why you think you have some special gift. While you probably think you are defying the odds somehow, its just simple math. The things you notice are supposed to be happening from time to time.
I don't know how many rolls you have made bets on lifetime. If its a lot, and you are truly winning overall, I can assure you it's just positive variance and you don't have a winning system. You have hit and now you should run for good.
Quote: AxelWolfBelieving you can beat craps via DI is kinda dumb, not believing in DI and still thinking you can beat craps is just F***ing stupid. (I'm not calling you stupid).
Thank you for the compliment. I havent posted about my play in quite some time as it is a waste of time, however you seem to be fixated on my craps abilities still. All good here. Thanks for checking in. FYI, picked up a quick 1000 last night and another 400 just earlier today. The way I won was not typical of how I usually play. It was a beauty for sure. Walked up to the tables and everyone was barking about how bad the tables were and how cold they were. I stood by for 10 minutes watching... and they were correct. Cold as ICE! So I adjusted and put 500 on the no 10. Four 7s came out very quickly before any 10 could even be seen. Last night was a beauty. Understanding these types of things cant be taught... just mastered. You say gifted... perhaps, I agree. Thank you sir!
Quote: WatchMeWinThank you for the compliment. I havent posted about my play in quite some time as it is a waste of time, however you seem to be fixated on my craps abilities still. All good here. Thanks for checking in. FYI, picked up a quick 1000 last night and another 400 just earlier today. The way I won was not typical of how I usually play. It was a beauty for sure. Walked up to the tables and everyone was barking about how bad the tables were and how cold they were. I stood by for 10 minutes watching... and they were correct. Cold as ICE! So I adjusted and put 500 on the no 10. Four 7s came out very quickly before any 10 could even be seen. Last night was a beauty. Understanding these types of things cant be taught... just mastered. You say gifted... perhaps, I agree. Thank you sir!
LOL!
ZCore13
Quote: beachbumbabsHe stares at sleeping, drooling people and computer monitors for a living. It would probably be a welcome change. :)
OK BBB! I had a real LOL!!!!!!! But to Axel, I would be betting with our friend. Since I am willing to bet on a random roller there is no reason I would not bet on someone who thinks they are not a random roller. I'd do my pass line plus odds at whatever table minimum. Cost me maybe $10 an hour in EV. Well worth it for me.
𝙄'𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙞𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙞𝙩'𝙨 𝙖 𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙣𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙨𝙮𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙢 - 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙩'𝙨 𝙛𝙪𝙣 𝙖𝙩 𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙩 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙢𝙚
I play it on the Wiz's free baccarat game - not for real money - yet anyway
I call it the political system - because you just try to get on the winning side
if player just won you bet player hoping for a streak on player. if banker wins and you lose you bet banker hoping for a streak on banker. if you are winning you stay on the same side (player or banker). anytime there is a loss you change to the other side (player or banker)
I try for a small 2 step parlay - i.e. bet $100 if you win bet $200 and that's it. if you win the $200 bet start again with $100.
of course, when the streak is alternating, instead of on banker or player I get creamed. if player or banker has a long streak I go way ahead.
I've had lots of fun with this. kills time and eases bordeom
I have a modified version of this hedging system that I am trying out. It has worked a few times in online games, but there have been times where I have also lost. More often than not, I have won. I have not tried this yet in a live game at the casino, so this may not work live.
On the come out roll, I bet $10 on the pass line. If a point is set, I place the maximum odds. ($30 on the 4/10, $40 on the 5/9, and $60 on the 6/8).
On the next roll, I bet $25 on the DC. If the DC is a 6 or 8, I then place another $25 for a DC until its not a 6 or 8. I then place DC $150 odds and a $10 come bet. As the come bets are placed, I take the odds only on the 6 or 8. I let the 4,5,9 & 10 come bets ride. This way, you have $175 on the DC (paying $100 or $125 depending on the DC), and 2 or 3 bets working for you (depending on what the point is) with a maximum of $170 at risk with a point of 5 or 9. As you mentioned, when the DC gets wiped out, its a big hit. You can also lose if you hit a 7 or 11 when trying to set the DC or if the DC hits the 6 or 8.
Quote: GlenGHow can one record the data of 1000 rolls on a set dice if its physically impossible to do so? The execution/landing spot has to be the same EVERY SINGLE TIME..or else the calculations are wrong. No human is capable of doing so...you would need robots.
Plus, you would need to have at least three sets of throws (if you decide to do 1000 throws, it totals 3000). The first set of throws setting the dice, to show the variation. The second set of normal throws to confirm there isnt a bias in the dice, the table or the thrower, and a third set (setting) to confirm the variation.
We don't support or condone any craps system based on the mathematical impossibility of long-term or consistent wins on combinations of -ev bets. That said (for the record and since you're new), it makes for an interesting discussion.
Quote: beachbumbabsWelcome to the forum, Joker. Thanks for the detailed on-topic description.
it makes for an interesting discussion.
Yes but no one really needs stats and data to solve this dice influencing question. You see the DI driving a Rolls Royce? You see the DI guy selling seminars and eating a casino hot dog that he has loaded up with condiments to make a decent meal?
short term, anything can happen and if you want attribute it to the gorgeous Tray Lizard that is fine. If you want to attribute it to your skill in setting dice that is fine too.
Tray Lizard... I keep seeing that strange expression. Can someone please explain... Do you mean cocktail waitress? Where is the expression from?Quote:and if you want attribute it to the gorgeous Tray Lizard that is fine. If you want to attribute it to your skill in setting dice that is fine too.
Quote: beachbumbabsWelcome to the forum, Joker. Thanks for the detailed on-topic description.
We don't support or condone any craps system based on the mathematical impossibility of long-term or consistent wins on combinations of -ev bets. That said (for the record and since you're new), it makes for an interesting discussion.
Thank you for the kind words of welcome. I apologize if I was trying to promote a system, that was not my intent. Yes, the house has an edge on every throw, otherwise, they wouldnt be hosting the games. They dont build those lavish places on the strip when the players are winners. And in the long run, the numbers will play out to the house's advantage. I was just trying to explain my strategy on how I hope to get in that sweet spot where the variation falls in my favor.
Well yeah... it means cocktail waitress but one demented CW named herself 'Tray Lizard' on a gambling forum and I kind of liked it. Some others did too. Now I've heard the expression in both Vegas and Biloxi.' Obviously CWs like to be fast and a 'lizard' is usually very slow so I guess its some sort of play on words.Quote: OnceDearTray Lizard... I keep seeing that strange expression. Can someone please explain... Do you mean cocktail waitress? Where is the expression from?
I meant to entertain you, not puzzle you.
Quote: OnceDearTray Lizard... I keep seeing that strange expression. Can someone please explain... Do you mean cocktail waitress? Where is the expression from?
I would guess the origin might be from prostitutes who work long-haul truck stops. They're called "lot lizards", and there's a constant game of cat-and-mouse among truck stop security (if any), local law enforcement, and women working those loacations.
Very lucrative though almost the lowest rung of the sex trade ladder. Guys passing through, parking 24/7 for a mandatory rest or a couple hours, almost all cabs have a bunk, so the pro has a nearly all-male pool of clients that constantly changes, but a fixed location and an easily-private place immediately.
Pretty short trip from that to "tray lizards" if you consider cocktail girls as a sexual come-on due to their costuming, forced proximity, and requirement to carry a drink tray.
Quote: beachbumbabs
Very lucrative though almost the lowest rung of the sex trade ladder. Guys passing through, parking 24/7 for a mandatory rest or a couple hours, almost all cabs have a bunk, so the pro has a nearly all-male pool of clients that constantly changes, but a fixed location and an easily-private place immediately.
Mandatory rest my foot. Those guys are spaced out on amphetimines. If there is any security, they just take a cut of her "profit".
To answer the original thread first, for the record, I know that there is no system. Still, if I want to have fun I'll put $600 on the don't pass and, if I survive the come out roll, $150 on both the 6 and the 8.
Very creative thinking. Cocktail Doll was a CW who worked at NYNY's high limit room and maintained several blog sites. One of Dolly's friends and posters was named Tray Lizard but did not have any such background as you describe. I merely found the moniker interesting and started using it as a generic term for cocktail waitress.Quote: beachbumbabsI would guess the origin might be from prostitutes who work long-haul truck stops. They're called "lot lizards", and
Nowadays I'm not really a craps guy, but if I were to play again for some reason, like just hanging out with friends, I'd probably just do pass line, no odds, table minimum. Milk the free drinks, and have fun watching other people make the big bets.
Explanation: My casino trips are usually 4 days and three nights. During that time, I usually play 6 sessions. My plan and expectation is to WIN about 30% of my buy in for each session. My buy in is $1,000, so that my goal is to win about $350 per session or between $1,500 and $2,000 for the trip. Without getting to deeply into the weeds, the wager, when playing the "cross," is $100 each on the 5, 6, and 8 and $50 on the Field after the point is established. I will play that way for 2 or 3 rolls and come down. When I win that way for 7 rolls over two to four hands, I have achieved that 30% win number, and I walk away.
During the six sessions has there been a "pre-mature" 7 out? Yes and at that point, I walk away from the table not trying to "get even." But, I have yet to finish a trip with a net loss simply because I do not need a "hot" shooter and my "need" to be a "big" winner does not fit my plan.
tuttigym
WHATS YOUR FAVORITE SYSTEM IN CRAPSQuote: tuttigymMy play is based solely on the actual math that allows the player a 5 to 1 edge OVER the house on any given roll of the dice AFTER THE POINT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. Let me temper that factual statement <cut off>
I would suggest placing your opinions (shown as fact: edge OVER the house on any given roll of the dice)
in a sealed envelope as this thread is about favorite systems.
or start a new thread based on your math (even better)
that is excellentQuote: tuttigymWithout getting to deeply into the weeds, the wager, when playing the "cross," is $100 each on the 5, 6, and 8 and $50 on the Field after the point is established. I will play that way for 2 or 3 rolls and come down. When I win that way for 7 rolls over two to four hands, I have achieved that 30% win number, and I walk away.
not nothing new
but winning every session has to be new
I say my favorite system these days is to Lay every point number on the come out roll only for $100.
as the dice gets colder, take those Lay bets up.
Very easy to know when the dice gets colder. I like the Shoot to Win Craps too.
good luck
