Online baccarat/roulette table games

I’ve always played online live dealer blackjack, and was finally introduced to live dealer Baccarat. Well, I may not necessarily be a fan of the game as there’s no interaction with the cards I got into the habit of using a Martingale strategy and as long as I did not hit a big run of bankers than I was making pretty good money. I use a strategy, which is basically the Martingale method starting at a dollar but every hand that’s played whether it’s a win loss or tie I added a dollar to the strategy. This way if I win one hand after losing four I make all of my money back +1 dollar for each hand played so a five dollar profit when these tables deal 60 to 100 hands an hour, I can average $50 an hour in profit pretty regularly.

Then I started thinking about how I could automate this so I don’t have to keep an eye on it and I have been working on an app to do just that. Starting at a dollar it is netting me around $75 an hour and as my bank roll grew, I got up to a three dollar bet and let the app run for three hours and made a profit of over $800. I’m currently adding more strategies and more options to the application, but I’m curious what your guys’s opinions are of live dealer Baccarat and what strategies you guys use.

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I’ve always played online live dealer blackjack, and was finally introduced to live dealer Baccarat. Well, I may not necessarily be a fan of the game as there’s no interaction with the cards I got into the habit of using a Martingale strategy and as long as I did not hit a big run of bankers than I was making pretty good money. I use a strategy, which is basically the Martingale method starting at a dollar but every hand that’s played whether it’s a win loss or tie I added a dollar to the strategy. This way if I win one hand after losing four I make all of my money back +1 dollar for each hand played so a five dollar profit when these tables deal 60 to 100 hands an hour, I can average $50 an hour in profit pretty regularly.

Then I started thinking about how I could automate this so I don’t have to keep an eye on it and I have been working on an app to do just that. Starting at a dollar it is netting me around $75 an hour and as my bank roll grew, I got up to a three dollar bet and let the app run for three hours and made a profit of over $800. I’m currently adding more strategies and more options to the application, but I’m curious what your guys’s opinions are of live dealer Baccarat and what strategies you guys use.
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It’s not our opinions on live dealer Baccarat you should be asking us about, it’s our opinions on someone using the Martingale system!

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I’ve always played online live dealer blackjack, and was finally introduced to live dealer Baccarat. Well, I may not necessarily be a fan of the game as there’s no interaction with the cards I got into the habit of using a Martingale strategy and as long as I did not hit a big run of bankers than I was making pretty good money. I use a strategy, which is basically the Martingale method starting at a dollar but every hand that’s played whether it’s a win loss or tie I added a dollar to the strategy. This way if I win one hand after losing four I make all of my money back +1 dollar for each hand played so a five dollar profit when these tables deal 60 to 100 hands an hour, I can average $50 an hour in profit pretty regularly.
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Er...huh? How do you get "if I win one hand after losing four I make all of my money back +1 dollar for each hand played so a five dollar profit" if you start with a $1 bet and increase it by 1 dollar after each hand? You lost 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10 on the first four hands, and won 5 on the fifth, so you lost 1 per hand, not gained it.

I think it's "double and add $1 on a loss".

This system should work about as well as the others.

With all due respect, if there was a free money hack in the casino that was this easy, nobody would be working.

I would stop spending hours on online baccarat while you are ahead since the math is not on your side.

Let me know if you want me to show the math behind this.

I understand the math, but the math also states that they odds of hitting several bankers or players in a row, several times, over and over is in my favor as well.

I have been running my system just today and am up $600 on a 1 dollar starting bet.

The system works. Yes. The Martingale betting system is not 100% foolproof, but it works since Baccarat is a cointoss bet.

I see others out there with betting strategies and counting cards in baccarat and they have no higher mathematical edge than this method.

I am sure your system can gain you money in the short term if you aren’t really unlucky, but you would need to run a simulation with hundreds of millions of hands to see how effective it really is.

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He answered it as he passed the 60th floor. It was his stockbroker.
"How is it going?" asked the broker as they passed the fifteenth floor.
As he approached the fifth floor, he replied
So far, so good.

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I see others out there with betting strategies and counting cards in baccarat and they have no higher mathematical edge than this method.
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You're so close...

Explain. The way I see it, you can count the cards but you never can predict the order. It is the same as any other strategy, you can maybe get a slight edge, but it is never 100%.

I know we want to incorporate other strategies and playing styles into our app. I am willing to accept feedback and input. Right now, the strategy I have is working, consistently. I understand martingale isn't 100%, but as long as you control your money, it SHOULD work to your favor. For example, I was running my app, starting balance of $320. $1 betting method with a max loss of $45. Ran it up overnight to $1100. I am doing this consistently. Does my app stop sometimes when I get 5+ bankers in a row, yes. But that is the safety method we put in for the money management.

There is no system that turns losing (negative EV) bets into winning bets.

The Martingale system is one method (of many) that you can use to generate a win most of the time. But the big losses overwhelm the small wins. Every bet you make has a negative expectation, thus the sum of those bets also has a negative expectation.

My "you're so close" comment refers to the fact that you see that other methods are not better than yours, which is true. Yet you fail to see that none of the methods are long-term profitable plays.

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Explain. The way I see it, you can count the cards but you never can predict the order. It is the same as any other strategy, you can maybe get a slight edge, but it is never 100%.

I know we want to incorporate other strategies and playing styles into our app. I am willing to accept feedback and input. Right now, the strategy I have is working, consistently. I understand martingale isn't 100%, but as long as you control your money, it SHOULD work to your favor. For example, I was running my app, starting balance of $320. $1 betting method with a max loss of $45. Ran it up overnight to $1100. I am doing this consistently. Does my app stop sometimes when I get 5+ bankers in a row, yes. But that is the safety method we put in for the money management.
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It's not about knowing the order of the cards. It is about knowing the ratio of good cards to bad cards and betting accordingly. A card counter bets more when the cards favor him and bets little or walks when the cards favor the house. Doing that gives you a slight advantage in the long run.

Maybe I am incompetent on card counting in baccarat, but how exactly does that help? I count in BJ to know the higher odds of getting dealt a 20... but just because there are less 10's or 9's in the deck on baccarat, how does that help when there is a multitude of card combinations? I am honestly asking for insight, not trying to be an ass, lol! Please inform me on the thought process

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Maybe I am incompetent on card counting in baccarat, but how exactly does that help? I count in BJ to know the higher odds of getting dealt a 20... but just because there are less 10's or 9's in the deck on baccarat, how does that help when there is a multitude of card combinations? I am honestly asking for insight, not trying to be an ass, lol! Please inform me on the thought process
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In the real world, it has been shown that card counting in baccarat does not convey a player edge often enough to make a usable difference. But if you’ve been counting, and all the cards left are face cards/tens, you wouldn’t bet on tie?

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Maybe I am incompetent on card counting in baccarat, but how exactly does that help? I count in BJ to know the higher odds of getting dealt a 20... but just because there are less 10's or 9's in the deck on baccarat, how does that help when there is a multitude of card combinations? I am honestly asking for insight, not trying to be an ass, lol! Please inform me on the thought process
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In the real world, it has been shown that card counting in baccarat does not convey a player edge often enough to make a usable difference. But if you’ve been counting, and all the cards left are face cards/tens, you wouldn’t bet on tie?
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Where has it been shown that?

And where are you finding a game which produces a subset that unlikely before the heat death of the universe?

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Where has it been shown that?
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This is a pretty good summary: https://advancedadvantageplay.com/2024/07/why-baccarat-card-counting-sucks/

That's what I am saying. I know my method may not work 100% of the time, but I built it with the stop-loss and money management techniques. It works pretty damn well!

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That's what I am saying. I know my method may not work 100% of the time, but I built it with the stop-loss and money management techniques. It works pretty damn well!
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Martingale & Co. do good work, until you can't raise your bet.

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That's what I am saying. I know my method may not work 100% of the time, but I built it with the stop-loss and money management techniques. It works pretty damn well!
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If you’re printing free money with it effortlessly why are you here looking for feedback about it?

I am trying to look at new strategies to add to make the app more marketable and spread the word.

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Where has it been shown that?

This is a pretty good summary: /2024/07/why-baccarat-card-counting-sucks/

Thanks, but the article doesn't do a very good of explaining why it doesn't work though "Using his system, he claims the player can get up to a 62% edge over the house."

You can follow the reference to https://www.casinocitytimes.com/john-may/article/card-counting-at-baccarat-1149 and see that the 62% advantage was in an extreme edge case where there were no odd-numbered cards left in the deck.

Perhaps Max is here to sell his app? Just sayin