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October 6th, 2013 at 7:21:04 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

This is the problem on here. TOO MUCH WORDS and not enough action.
Please believe me, some individuals are "doing more than talking".
I make money everyday at the Casino. (Yes I say that in Total confidence because the CASH don't LIE)
I "Show me the Money"
I believe I have a very good Method.
I don't come on here begging or asking for anything.
I simply wanted to share something good.
I never intend to charge anything for anything.

Thanks to the Casino and the Game of Baccarat, I have a Brand new 2013 Honda Civic just purchased paying Cash just last month.
My wife treated herself to a nice 1 1/4 Carat Diamond Ring shortly after leaving the casino with her $1000.00 victory. If this is true, I highly suggest that you have the diamond independently appraised. Spending only $1000 on 1.25 carats means that somebody was ripped off; best to find out if it was you or the seller.
I treated myself to just under $5000.00 in Rings Courtesy of Casino Baccarat run just under a week ago.
Our $1000.00 bankroll has Trippled itself for the sake of if ever we do hit a "Bad Day" at the Casino.

so far to me, this method I use Works in a very consistent way. Yes I intend to lose, When, I don't know.


But bottom line is, I make money Playing Baccarat as a Part time Job, and I just want to share my success.
So which are you- professional or part-time?
If I knew the Casino was limited to Funds or There could be some risk, I would not share.
But there IS risk; that's why it's called gambling.


Attention: Do keep in mind my method is strictly for Baccarat only.
I've studied many other games and trust me. Don't waste your time.
CRAPS, Roulette, Sic Bo, Blackjack. Forget it. I've spent hundreds of hours trying to develop Methods and the bottom line is "You can not Beat them.
Thanks to contributions by some (or rather, one) here, we now realize that the Roulette and Big Six dealers possess enough skill to beat us simply at their own will. This is why they are the only dealers who deserve tips; after all, they are the only dealers who decide to "let us win".
We also know that card counting at Blackjack is a myth that has never truly worked; I'm beginning to think that the whole AP deal was created simply to get the casinos worked up in a frenzy over nothing.

IMPOSSIBLE, But Baccarat having those ever long runs day after day. Yes mathematically you can not beat them, but in reality you Can and will.

One Needs all the elements to make it happen. I have all the elements and that's why It works for me.
I think I'm missing one of the elements. I lack the ability to predict those long streaks at will.

There is plenty of Casino's and Lots of Money to go around, so for those who are interested in utilizing my methods, Enjoy!!!
I'm utilizing your methods to the best of my ability (much ambiguity remains), but I'm not enjoying. I suppose nobody enjoys losing, though.

Please feel free to ask many questions or if you have your own method and want help to test or modify it to perfection, I'm right here.
I have asked questions, and am still awaiting response.

Message to the two students on here I'll call them E & B, If you have nothing professional to share, simply sit back and enjoy the complimentary education. You just may get it someday.


As offered in one of my previous posts, I am taking up your suggestion to "try this at home". Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.
My previous suggestion of five hundred (500) sessions still stands, so perhaps a loss of $1000 over such a small sample may be considered premature.
I am numbering the sessions, and I am also recording play history.

My nonprofessional opinion is that you should ask questions and offer your professional advice as to what I may be doing wrong, because at this point it's not looking good.
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October 6th, 2013 at 7:33:57 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hello, gpac1377.

Lucky? I've been playing my same method (albeit "tweaked" along the way...I strive for perfection) for many years now. I mightn't "invented bread", but I remain "one tough out" for any casino. Win, lose, or draw...I'm grinding consistently. Chugging along, dealing with whatever that shoe/table/casino can ever throw at me.

It's not easy. To this day, I can't even be absolutely certain that it's all doable. But each and every session, I sit down to play and I play the cards, as I read them, the exact same way. All I need do is make some "bet-sizing" adjustments every now and again.

And it appears to work. A mathematical edge? I can only defer to those that are much brighter than myself for that determination.

But I am grinding out rather consistent profits. Not a boat-load of money by no means, but satisfying nonetheless. I feel that if I am going to play this game, especially with what all of that entails inside of my personal and professional life, I need to succeed at it.

Gr8player Im in AC i would like to watch you win some money.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 6th, 2013 at 7:38:38 PM permalink
Quote: rob45

Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.


lol
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October 6th, 2013 at 7:50:28 PM permalink
Quote: rob45

Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.



Something is obviously wrong with your calculator.
Gr8vermenti quit his job at Microsoft to be a pro
gambler using this system. Try it again.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 6th, 2013 at 7:57:14 PM permalink
Too bad we can't arrange for gr8player and gr8varmenti to meet each other. We could have a camera present, too. A match made in heaven...all we'd need is Chuck Woolery as host. lol!


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven
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October 6th, 2013 at 7:59:29 PM permalink
Quote: rob45

Quote: varmenti

This is the problem on here. TOO MUCH WORDS and not enough action.
Please believe me, some individuals are "doing more than talking".
I make money everyday at the Casino. (Yes I say that in Total confidence because the CASH don't LIE)
I "Show me the Money"
I believe I have a very good Method.
I don't come on here begging or asking for anything.
I simply wanted to share something good.
I never intend to charge anything for anything.

Thanks to the Casino and the Game of Baccarat, I have a Brand new 2013 Honda Civic just purchased paying Cash just last month.
My wife treated herself to a nice 1 1/4 Carat Diamond Ring shortly after leaving the casino with her $1000.00 victory. If this is true, I highly suggest that you have the diamond independently appraised. Spending only $1000 on 1.25 carats means that somebody was ripped off; best to find out if it was you or the seller.
I treated myself to just under $5000.00 in Rings Courtesy of Casino Baccarat run just under a week ago.
Our $1000.00 bankroll has Trippled itself for the sake of if ever we do hit a "Bad Day" at the Casino.

so far to me, this method I use Works in a very consistent way. Yes I intend to lose, When, I don't know.


But bottom line is, I make money Playing Baccarat as a Part time Job, and I just want to share my success.
So which are you- professional or part-time?
If I knew the Casino was limited to Funds or There could be some risk, I would not share.
But there IS risk; that's why it's called gambling.


Attention: Do keep in mind my method is strictly for Baccarat only.
I've studied many other games and trust me. Don't waste your time.
CRAPS, Roulette, Sic Bo, Blackjack. Forget it. I've spent hundreds of hours trying to develop Methods and the bottom line is "You can not Beat them.
Thanks to contributions by some (or rather, one) here, we now realize that the Roulette and Big Six dealers possess enough skill to beat us simply at their own will. This is why they are the only dealers who deserve tips; after all, they are the only dealers who decide to "let us win".
We also know that card counting at Blackjack is a myth that has never truly worked; I'm beginning to think that the whole AP deal was created simply to get the casinos worked up in a frenzy over nothing.

IMPOSSIBLE, But Baccarat having those ever long runs day after day. Yes mathematically you can not beat them, but in reality you Can and will.

One Needs all the elements to make it happen. I have all the elements and that's why It works for me.
I think I'm missing one of the elements. I lack the ability to predict those long streaks at will.

There is plenty of Casino's and Lots of Money to go around, so for those who are interested in utilizing my methods, Enjoy!!!
I'm utilizing your methods to the best of my ability (much ambiguity remains), but I'm not enjoying. I suppose nobody enjoys losing, though.

Please feel free to ask many questions or if you have your own method and want help to test or modify it to perfection, I'm right here.
I have asked questions, and am still awaiting response.

Message to the two students on here I'll call them E & B, If you have nothing professional to share, simply sit back and enjoy the complimentary education. You just may get it someday.


As offered in one of my previous posts, I am taking up your suggestion to "try this at home". Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.
My previous suggestion of five hundred (500) sessions still stands, so perhaps a loss of $1000 over such a small sample may be considered premature.
I am numbering the sessions, and I am also recording play history.

My nonprofessional opinion is that you should ask questions and offer your professional advice as to what I may be doing wrong, because at this point it's not looking good.



your only question is So which are you- professional or part-time? and Yes I gamble Professionally a few hours a day (Part Time)

and the 1 1/2 Carat Diamond ring was appraised at 1500 and My wife paid 700 Cash. I think she did good especially paying for it with her Casino wins from that One day of Gambling.

The other two rings I purchased were both appraised at 3500 & 2800 and I paid $2500 Cash for Both. approx 3 days of Casino winnings.

I don't see any more questions other than a few statements.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:04:08 PM permalink
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Yes I gamble Professionally a few hours a day (Part Time)


Part-time, huh? So what do you do the other part of the time?
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:07:48 PM permalink
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Part-time, huh? So what do you do the other part of the time?



Beethoven9th, you should know by now, I already told you, I play in Bands as front-man / Lead Singer and Host Singer Showcase events. Did you forget already.
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:10:42 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

Beethoven9th, you should know by now, I already told you, I play in Bands as front-man / Lead Singer and Host Singer Showcase events. Did you forget already.



So you quit Microsoft to play in a band and be a bac
pro? Is that what we're supposed to believe?
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:12:16 PM permalink
I thought you were joking because I came up with that comment (about you looking like the frontman of an 80's band) on the fly. Do you have any CDs?
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:19:03 PM permalink
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Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.



Your math don't make sense, man, your just being silly now, Go read a book or something because I don't think Gambling is for you at this time.

I play about 6-8 sessions a day and it looks like this:
1) -150 (20 hands limit)
2) +200 Reached goal in under 20 hands.
3) -100 (20 hand limit)
4) +500 from streak of 8.
5) -25 (20 hands limit)
6) -75 (20 hands limit)
7) -125 (20 hands limit)
8) +200 Reached goal in under 20 hands.

Sometimes I will stay to make my 1000.00 but most of the time, I make about 400 in the morning and then go back at night to make another 600.
or if I have a great day making a couple runs of 8
I take a day off to enjoy my winnings.
average shoe loss should never go greater than 200.00 that is 20% of your bank roll. If you lose that its time to go home and call it another day.
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:27:24 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Too bad we can't arrange for gr8player and gr8varmenti to meet each other. We could have a camera present, too. A match made in heaven...all we'd need is Chuck Woolery as host. lol!


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven



I see many people at the Casinos trying their systems all day long and I see them all go hungry. especially those Martingale players losing 5 in a row and can't stop kicking themselves, some even Praying at the table as if it was their life savings. I see aggressive people losing 2-5000.00 before I even lose a single 100.00 chip.

Sure I'd like to sit against Gr8Players Methods any day. If it works for him, That's great, But I don't think i'm gonna change my style of betting anytime soon as it makes me money day after day after day. I can't just change it.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:29:08 PM permalink
gr8varmenti,

I was at Target today, and the store manager said hi to me. He's one of the top guys in the retail industry. I was so honored! Now I know how you felt when the top guy at your local casino talked to you.


Sincerely,
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:30:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Something is obviously wrong with your calculator.
Gr8vermenti quit his job at Microsoft to be a pro
gambler using this system. Try it again.



I'm sorry EvenBob but if you want any education on Microsoft products, I'd gladly help you, but 18.00/hr job 40hrs a week just don't work for me as much as I loved that Job. It was my Dream job. but Gambling Professionally Gives me a better living style than any job ever could.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:34:51 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

gr8varmenti,

I was at Target today, and the store manager said hi to me. He's one of the top guys in the retail industry. I was so honored! Now I know how you felt when the top guy at your local casino talked to you.


Sincerely,
gr8beethoven



I'm glad for you Beethoven9th that you got to enjoy that feeling. Maybe someday he may offer you a job there.

On a serious note, I believe the Top Dog was there walking around my table to experience my style of play, and when he said that there is nothing wrong with what my wife and I do, that gave me a confident mind that no one will bother us when we play the way we do.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:37:14 PM permalink
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I thought you were joking because I came up with that comment (about you looking like the frontman of an 80's band) on the fly. Do you have any CDs?



No Cd's man, Just play outdoor shows throughout the summer for about 200-500 people. Did you see my Facebook pages facebook (dot)com / vinjovi ?
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:38:09 PM permalink
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your only question is So which are you- professional or part-time? and Yes I gamble Professionally a few hours a day (Part Time)

and the 1 1/2 Carat Diamond ring was appraised at 1500 and My wife paid 700 Cash. I think she did good especially paying for it with her Casino wins from that One day of Gambling.

The other two rings I purchased were both appraised at 3500 & 2800 and I paid $2500 Cash for Both. approx 3 days of Casino winnings.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be a Jerk here VARMINTI, I'm sure you have done well for yourself But that's just a drop in the bucket For guys that are serious AP's
casinos in Tahoe used to comp us over 6k each in jewelry from the gift shop just in one 2 day trip even after winning.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:38:12 PM permalink
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gr8varmenti,

I was at Target today, and the store manager said hi to me.



lol. We're you nervous? Sweating palms?
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:40:42 PM permalink
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Quote: varmenti



your only question is So which are you- professional or part-time? and Yes I gamble Professionally a few hours a day (Part Time)

and the 1 1/2 Carat Diamond ring was appraised at 1500 and My wife paid 700 Cash. I think she did good especially paying for it with her Casino wins from that One day of Gambling.

The other two rings I purchased were both appraised at 3500 & 2800 and I paid $2500 Cash for Both. approx 3 days of Casino winnings.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be a Jerk here VARMINTI, I'm sure you have done well for yourself But that's just a drop in the bucket For guys that are serious AP's
casinos in Tahoe used to comp us over 6k each in jewelry from the gift shop just in one 2 day trip even after winning.



That's awesome to hear but I can never put myself at that High Roller Level. To me its pointless. I tried with Blackjack back in 1999 but could never reach my 10,000.00 goal. to even get me started.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:42:14 PM permalink
Varmenti, I'm trying to follow along, but confusion is killing my entertainment value.

In the Blackjack subforum, poster GWAE requested feedback on his attempts to master card counting. You recommended your own (unconventional) counting system which tracks every card rank except aces. Here's how you closed your remarks:

Quote: varmenti

Hope this helps give you an edge GWAE as it did me back in 1996


Later, in this thread, you explained why you only recommend baccarat:

Quote: varmenti

CRAPS, Roulette, Sic Bo, Blackjack. Forget it. I've spent hundreds of hours trying to develop Methods and the bottom line is "You can not Beat them. IMPOSSIBLE


And then in the GR8Player thread:

Quote: varmenti

Black Jack (counting cards using Basic strategy) average run of 3 in a row before wiping out your entire bank roll. +1% on your side but.... you still lose because the lack of runs.


Is blackjack a beatable game? You seem to be on both sides of the fence.

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October 6th, 2013 at 8:45:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

gr8varmenti,

I was at Target today, and the store manager said hi to me. lol.

We're you nervous? Sweating palms?

.

I almost wet myself when Gallagher asked me for advice on Video poker the other day at the Tropicana bar. He even gave my GF an Autograph. and asked if I could teach him how to play some VP.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:46:16 PM permalink
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And, like clockwork, along comes know-it-all #2 with his infinite wisdom.

Bless 'em both, EvenBob and Beethoven9th.....where do they get the free time to "tag" every other post in this forum?



They both subscribe to the thread and receive Instant Email Notifications so they can Respond Right away and never miss a new Post.

Just sayin' and its not a bad thing because its a good way to not miss out on the "Action" this forum has to offer.
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:46:19 PM permalink
Quote: rob45

Quote: varmenti

This is the problem on here. TOO MUCH WORDS and not enough action.
Please believe me, some individuals are "doing more than talking".
I make money everyday at the Casino. (Yes I say that in Total confidence because the CASH don't LIE)
I "Show me the Money"
I believe I have a very good Method.
I don't come on here begging or asking for anything.
I simply wanted to share something good.
I never intend to charge anything for anything.

Thanks to the Casino and the Game of Baccarat, I have a Brand new 2013 Honda Civic just purchased paying Cash just last month.
My wife treated herself to a nice 1 1/4 Carat Diamond Ring shortly after leaving the casino with her $1000.00 victory. If this is true, I highly suggest that you have the diamond independently appraised. Spending only $1000 on 1.25 carats means that somebody was ripped off; best to find out if it was you or the seller.
I treated myself to just under $5000.00 in Rings Courtesy of Casino Baccarat run just under a week ago.
Our $1000.00 bankroll has Trippled itself for the sake of if ever we do hit a "Bad Day" at the Casino.

so far to me, this method I use Works in a very consistent way. Yes I intend to lose, When, I don't know.


But bottom line is, I make money Playing Baccarat as a Part time Job, and I just want to share my success.
So which are you- professional or part-time?
If I knew the Casino was limited to Funds or There could be some risk, I would not share.
But there IS risk; that's why it's called gambling.


Attention: Do keep in mind my method is strictly for Baccarat only.
I've studied many other games and trust me. Don't waste your time.
CRAPS, Roulette, Sic Bo, Blackjack. Forget it. I've spent hundreds of hours trying to develop Methods and the bottom line is "You can not Beat them.
Thanks to contributions by some (or rather, one) here, we now realize that the Roulette and Big Six dealers possess enough skill to beat us simply at their own will. This is why they are the only dealers who deserve tips; after all, they are the only dealers who decide to "let us win".
We also know that card counting at Blackjack is a myth that has never truly worked; I'm beginning to think that the whole AP deal was created simply to get the casinos worked up in a frenzy over nothing.

IMPOSSIBLE, But Baccarat having those ever long runs day after day. Yes mathematically you can not beat them, but in reality you Can and will.

One Needs all the elements to make it happen. I have all the elements and that's why It works for me.
I think I'm missing one of the elements. I lack the ability to predict those long streaks at will.

There is plenty of Casino's and Lots of Money to go around, so for those who are interested in utilizing my methods, Enjoy!!!
I'm utilizing your methods to the best of my ability (much ambiguity remains), but I'm not enjoying. I suppose nobody enjoys losing, though.

Please feel free to ask many questions or if you have your own method and want help to test or modify it to perfection, I'm right here.
I have asked questions, and am still awaiting response.

Message to the two students on here I'll call them E & B, If you have nothing professional to share, simply sit back and enjoy the complimentary education. You just may get it someday.


As offered in one of my previous posts, I am taking up your suggestion to "try this at home". Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.
My previous suggestion of five hundred (500) sessions still stands, so perhaps a loss of $1000 over such a small sample may be considered premature.
I am numbering the sessions, and I am also recording play history.

My nonprofessional opinion is that you should ask questions and offer your professional advice as to what I may be doing wrong, because at this point it's not looking good.



rob45: You may think you lost, but it appears that you did not apply varmenti's math formula correctly for determining your wins and losses:

1) To determine whether you've won or lost, simply count the money churned throught the session, then subtract your losses. To quote varmenti:
“Now lets do some real math (15 years going three times a week with a 1000.00 bank roll) = 1825 visits x 1000 = Risking 1,825,000 for the 15 years. therefore if he lost 250,000.00, that's peanuts that's like 15% of his bank roll.”

By this calculus, varmenti proves beyond comprehension (oops, I mean doubt) that a churn of $1,825,000 minus losses of $250,000 will result in a net profit of $1,575,000.


2) If 1) does not work for you, then all you need to do is simply count your wins and ignore your losses. That's guaranteed to result in a winning session, no matter what your wallet says.

Hope this helps.
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:51:31 PM permalink
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We're you nervous? Sweating palms?

I almost wet myself when Gallagher asked me for advice on Video poker the other day at the Tropicana bar. He even gave my GF an Autograph. and asked if I could teach him how to play some VP.



Dealers look at me in a different way. The top dog is talk about but very rarely seen, and when he came down to the Baccarat Pit and walked around my table from both sides, I could not believe it, pretty much every dealer in the pit had their eyes all focused on our conversation at the corner of the pit. I started to sense that the dealers thought I was getting into some big trouble but after they watched us Laughing and Joking and Shaking hands and Patting each other on the Back, Everything cooled off.

Was a good experience.
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:52:24 PM permalink
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Maybe someday he may offer you a job there.


No, but if he did, I would quit and join a band singing Village People covers. LOL
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October 6th, 2013 at 8:55:31 PM permalink
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lol. We're you nervous? Sweating palms?


Yeah, but then I felt better after I asked myself WWG8VD? (What Would Gr8Varmenti Do?) lol!


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October 6th, 2013 at 8:58:11 PM permalink
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your only question is So which are you- professional or part-time? and Yes I gamble Professionally a few hours a day (Part Time)

and the 1 1/2 Carat Diamond ring was appraised at 1500 and My wife paid 700 Cash. I think she did good especially paying for it with her Casino wins from that One day of Gambling.

The other two rings I purchased were both appraised at 3500 & 2800 and I paid $2500 Cash for Both. approx 3 days of Casino winnings.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be a Jerk here VARMINTI, I'm sure you have done well for yourself But that's just a drop in the bucket For guys that are serious AP's
casinos in Tahoe used to comp us over 6k each in jewelry from the gift shop just in one 2 day trip even after winning.



That's awesome to hear but I can never put myself at that High Roller Level. To me its pointless. I tried with Blackjack back in 1999 but could never reach my 10,000.00 goal. to even get me started.

No one was high rolling, the most bet at one time was $10 to $160 on Williams Good rules blackjack machines with a let it ride feature.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 6th, 2013 at 9:00:19 PM permalink
Quote: Pabo

Quote: rob45

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This is the problem on here. TOO MUCH WORDS and not enough action.
Please believe me, some individuals are "doing more than talking".
I make money everyday at the Casino. (Yes I say that in Total confidence because the CASH don't LIE)
I "Show me the Money"
I believe I have a very good Method.
I don't come on here begging or asking for anything.
I simply wanted to share something good.
I never intend to charge anything for anything.

Thanks to the Casino and the Game of Baccarat, I have a Brand new 2013 Honda Civic just purchased paying Cash just last month.
My wife treated herself to a nice 1 1/4 Carat Diamond Ring shortly after leaving the casino with her $1000.00 victory. If this is true, I highly suggest that you have the diamond independently appraised. Spending only $1000 on 1.25 carats means that somebody was ripped off; best to find out if it was you or the seller.
I treated myself to just under $5000.00 in Rings Courtesy of Casino Baccarat run just under a week ago.
Our $1000.00 bankroll has Trippled itself for the sake of if ever we do hit a "Bad Day" at the Casino.

so far to me, this method I use Works in a very consistent way. Yes I intend to lose, When, I don't know.


But bottom line is, I make money Playing Baccarat as a Part time Job, and I just want to share my success.
So which are you- professional or part-time?
If I knew the Casino was limited to Funds or There could be some risk, I would not share.
But there IS risk; that's why it's called gambling.


Attention: Do keep in mind my method is strictly for Baccarat only.
I've studied many other games and trust me. Don't waste your time.
CRAPS, Roulette, Sic Bo, Blackjack. Forget it. I've spent hundreds of hours trying to develop Methods and the bottom line is "You can not Beat them.
Thanks to contributions by some (or rather, one) here, we now realize that the Roulette and Big Six dealers possess enough skill to beat us simply at their own will. This is why they are the only dealers who deserve tips; after all, they are the only dealers who decide to "let us win".
We also know that card counting at Blackjack is a myth that has never truly worked; I'm beginning to think that the whole AP deal was created simply to get the casinos worked up in a frenzy over nothing.

IMPOSSIBLE, But Baccarat having those ever long runs day after day. Yes mathematically you can not beat them, but in reality you Can and will.

One Needs all the elements to make it happen. I have all the elements and that's why It works for me.
I think I'm missing one of the elements. I lack the ability to predict those long streaks at will.

There is plenty of Casino's and Lots of Money to go around, so for those who are interested in utilizing my methods, Enjoy!!!
I'm utilizing your methods to the best of my ability (much ambiguity remains), but I'm not enjoying. I suppose nobody enjoys losing, though.

Please feel free to ask many questions or if you have your own method and want help to test or modify it to perfection, I'm right here.
I have asked questions, and am still awaiting response.

Message to the two students on here I'll call them E & B, If you have nothing professional to share, simply sit back and enjoy the complimentary education. You just may get it someday.


As offered in one of my previous posts, I am taking up your suggestion to "try this at home". Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.
My previous suggestion of five hundred (500) sessions still stands, so perhaps a loss of $1000 over such a small sample may be considered premature.
I am numbering the sessions, and I am also recording play history.

My nonprofessional opinion is that you should ask questions and offer your professional advice as to what I may be doing wrong, because at this point it's not looking good.



rob45: You may think you lost, but it appears that you did not apply varmenti's math formula correctly for determining your wins and losses:

1) To determine whether you've won or lost, simply count the money churned throught the session, then subtract your losses. To quote varmenti:
“Now lets do some real math (15 years going three times a week with a 1000.00 bank roll) = 1825 visits x 1000 = Risking 1,825,000 for the 15 years. therefore if he lost 250,000.00, that's peanuts that's like 15% of his bank roll.”

By this calculus, varmenti proves beyond comprehension (oops, I mean doubt) that a churn of $1,825,000 minus losses of $250,000 will result in a net profit of $1,575,000.


2) If 1) does not work for you, then all you need to do is simply count your wins and ignore your losses. That's guaranteed to result in a winning session, no matter what your wallet says.

Hope this helps.



For those who do not understand math. Try this, its simple.

1) start your baccarat session with 1000.00 bank roll
2) if you lose 20% of your bankroll in just the first couple games of baccarat then thats it, just go home.
3) if you make 200.00 at the bac table, Leave that table and wait for a new shoe.
4) if you hit 1000.00 in profit, Leave the Casino
5) if you win/lose/win/lose at a table. Leave after 20 hand limit. no matter what you have in your bankroll -25 or even +75, just end the session and goto a new table.

200.00 per table profits occur in just the first 7 to 20 hands. DO NOT WAIT for a run to happen. If it does later in the game, who cares.
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October 6th, 2013 at 9:04:28 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

Dealers look at me in a different way.


Sounds like you're a celebrity at that place now!


Quote: varmenti

The top dog is talk about but very rarely seen, and when he came down to the Baccarat Pit and walked around my table from both sides, I could not believe it, pretty much every dealer in the pit had their eyes all focused on our conversation at the corner of the pit...

Was a good experience.


That's exactly how I felt when the top dog at Target said hi to me. I was in awe of his presence. Just like you were at the casino.
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October 6th, 2013 at 9:12:34 PM permalink
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Varmenti, I'm trying to follow along, but confusion is killing my entertainment value.

In the Blackjack subforum, poster GWAE requested feedback on his attempts to master card counting. You recommended your own (unconventional) counting system which tracks every card rank except aces. Here's how you closed your remarks:


Later, in this thread, you explained why you only recommend baccarat:


And then in the GR8Player thread:


Is blackjack a beatable game? You seem to be on both sides of the fence.

Thanks.



When you are playing Blackjack at the Number One or/and two spots using the "Flash Count"Method you can get pretty high odds on Catching Tens, but its only good for Hit & Runs, If you use a betting progression waiting for those flash count peaks, your sitting there betting minimum bets and not going nowhere, because the runs in Black Jack do not make it worthwhile for the player to make Big wins.

It's 500% easier to make 1000.00 per day at baccarat then it is applying basic strategy and card counting in black jack. My flash cont method Raised alot of Eyebrows but my tipping kept many dealers quiet about what I did Back then with betting a quick hand at many tables and leaving.
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October 6th, 2013 at 9:16:05 PM permalink
Louie Anderson tried hitting on djatc(I swear its true), I tried to broker a deal but Louie was not his type, Dj clearly wanted more then 2 show tickets, 4 and we would of had a deal.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 6th, 2013 at 9:18:00 PM permalink
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Louie Anderson tried hitting on djatc.


???????????????
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October 6th, 2013 at 9:22:07 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

When you are playing Blackjack at the Number One or/and two spots using the "Flash Count"Method you can get pretty high odds on Catching Tens, but its only good for Hit & Runs, If you use a betting progression waiting for those flash count peaks, your sitting there betting minimum bets and not going nowhere, because the runs in Black Jack do not make it worthwhile for the player to make Big wins.

It's 500% easier to make 1000.00 per day at baccarat then it is applying basic strategy and card counting in black jack. My flash cont method Raised alot of Eyebrows but my tipping kept many dealers quiet about what I did Back then with betting a quick hand at many tables and leaving.


Thanks for the reply, but it looks like we've moved on to discussing Louie Anderson.

I saw him a few times hosting Family Feud, and he didn't look like he was having fun :(
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October 6th, 2013 at 9:23:57 PM permalink
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???????????????

I swear it happen, I never seen a guy(DJ) leave a +EV machine so fast in my life. Me and my GF chatted him(LA) up he was a VERY nice guy.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 6th, 2013 at 11:32:33 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

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Quote: varmenti

My wife treated herself to a nice 1 1/4 Carat Diamond Ring shortly after leaving the casino with her $1000.00 victory. If this is true, I highly suggest that you have the diamond independently appraised. Spending only $1000 on 1.25 carats means that somebody was ripped off; best to find out if it was you or the seller.


But bottom line is, I make money Playing Baccarat as a Part time Job, and I just want to share my success.
So which are you- professional or part-time?

There is plenty of Casino's and Lots of Money to go around, so for those who are interested in utilizing my methods, Enjoy!!!
I'm utilizing your methods to the best of my ability (much ambiguity remains), but I'm not enjoying. I suppose nobody enjoys losing, though.

Please feel free to ask many questions or if you have your own method and want help to test or modify it to perfection, I'm right here.
I have asked questions, and am still awaiting response.


As offered in one of my previous posts, I am taking up your suggestion to "try this at home". Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.
My previous suggestion of five hundred (500) sessions still stands, so perhaps a loss of $1000 over such a small sample may be considered premature.
I am numbering the sessions, and I am also recording play history.



your only question is So which are you- professional or part-time? and Yes I gamble Professionally a few hours a day (Part Time)

and the 1 1/2 Carat Diamond ring was appraised at 1500 and My wife paid 700 Cash. I think she did good especially paying for it with her Casino wins from that One day of Gambling.

I don't see any more questions other than a few statements.


So now the ring has grown from the original 1.25 carats to 1.5 carats? (Look! I gained 20% in weight overnight!)
No matter, as the issue is that you have wasted your money, especially since you claim to have a ring with a diamond weight in excess of one carat appraised at only $1500. This definitely signifies a very low-quality diamond. But to each their own.....
Do yourself a favor and learn the Four C's of diamond grading before you try to impress others with the weight.

Oh, as to the questions, you need to go back and read this thread again. Yes, only one question in this particular post, but you have left several unanswered "questions" in this entire thread by way of contradicting yourself.
Specifically, I am STILL awaiting confirmation to the important post concerning the home experiment.
Here, I'll even put it in bold text for you to find it easier: page 28, post #271 of this thread.
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October 6th, 2013 at 11:36:45 PM permalink
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Quote: varmenti

Quote: rob45

Quote: varmenti

My wife treated herself to a nice 1 1/4 Carat Diamond Ring shortly after leaving the casino with her $1000.00 victory. If this is true, I highly suggest that you have the diamond independently appraised. Spending only $1000 on 1.25 carats means that somebody was ripped off; best to find out if it was you or the seller.


But bottom line is, I make money Playing Baccarat as a Part time Job, and I just want to share my success.
So which are you- professional or part-time?

There is plenty of Casino's and Lots of Money to go around, so for those who are interested in utilizing my methods, Enjoy!!!
I'm utilizing your methods to the best of my ability (much ambiguity remains), but I'm not enjoying. I suppose nobody enjoys losing, though.

Please feel free to ask many questions or if you have your own method and want help to test or modify it to perfection, I'm right here.
I have asked questions, and am still awaiting response.


As offered in one of my previous posts, I am taking up your suggestion to "try this at home". Following your suggestion of limiting sessions to twenty decisions, I have played fifteen (15) sessions. Only four (4) of those sessions have been winning sessions, and the tally as of now is exactly -$1000.
My previous suggestion of five hundred (500) sessions still stands, so perhaps a loss of $1000 over such a small sample may be considered premature.
I am numbering the sessions, and I am also recording play history.



your only question is So which are you- professional or part-time? and Yes I gamble Professionally a few hours a day (Part Time)

and the 1 1/2 Carat Diamond ring was appraised at 1500 and My wife paid 700 Cash. I think she did good especially paying for it with her Casino wins from that One day of Gambling.

I don't see any more questions other than a few statements.


So now the ring has grown from the original 1.25 carats to 1.5 carats? (Look! I gained 20% in weight overnight!)
No matter, as the issue is that you have wasted your money, especially since you claim to have a ring with a diamond weight in excess of one carat appraised at only $1500. This definitely signifies a very low-quality diamond. But to each their own.....
Do yourself a favor and learn the Four C's of diamond grading before you try to impress others with the weight.

Oh, as to the questions, you need to go back and read this thread again. Yes, only one question in this particular post, but you have left several unanswered "questions" in this entire thread by way of contradicting yourself.
Specifically, I am STILL awaiting confirmation to the important post concerning the home experiment.
Here, I'll even put it in bold text for you to find it easier: page 28, post #271 of this thread.



Sorry yea thats a mistype. Wife corrected me. It's 1 1/4 carat, I'm not a diamond expert, that's my wife's department.
She says, Clarity, Color, Carat, & I guessed the forth one to be "Cut" she also mentioned MAYAN Cut (the little hole that appears as the way the diamond is cut. again I'm gonna be honest with you, I bought the other two not because it was a good price but they have lots of "Bling"

She also told me to tell you that she doesn't care. to her, its a ring with 14kt white gold with rose gold accents that she loves and she doesnt give a flying (I'm not gonna say the next word) what anyone says or thinks because she loves and it's paid for in full thanks to the Baccarat for paying for it.

Do you know what a Raspberry is? there ya go.
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October 6th, 2013 at 11:48:53 PM permalink
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So now the ring has grown from the original 1.25 carats to 1.5 carats? (Look! I gained 20% in weight overnight!)


LOL!
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October 6th, 2013 at 11:57:49 PM permalink
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LOL!

Beethoven9th Stop... I know what your thinking and its just not true... just because he over exaggerated one thing, Dose not mean everything he says is over exaggerated. If he were to knowing over exaggerate something or made untrue claims, he would just quickly push it under the rug, or not respond to it anymore. He clarified the ring bling thing for all of us.
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October 7th, 2013 at 7:50:15 AM permalink
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Your math don't make sense, man, your just being silly now, Go read a book or something because I don't think Gambling is for you at this time.


Of course my math doesn't make sense to you. But we need not worry about any math, because you yourself have stated that we can overcome the math.

While I would normally follow any instruction given by my Master, at this time I cannot "Go read a book or something".
The home experiment is simply taking up too much of my time to "read a book or something". (500 sessions is very demanding.)
Besides, it should not matter if "Gambling" is for me or not, as my Master is teaching all of us a sure thing! If it's a sure thing, it cannot be considered a gamble, right?

Speaking of the home experiment, I have completed another five (5) sessions, bringing the total sessions played up to twenty (20).
Of the five sessions recently played, three of them were winning sessions.
The total is now -$875.
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October 7th, 2013 at 8:06:02 AM permalink
Varmenti:
"For those who do not understand math. Try this, its simple.

1) start your baccarat session with 1000.00 bank roll
2) if you lose 20% of your bankroll in just the first couple games of baccarat then thats it, just go home.
3) if you make 200.00 at the bac table, Leave that table and wait for a new shoe.
4) if you hit 1000.00 in profit, Leave the Casino
5) if you win/lose/win/lose at a table. Leave after 20 hand limit. no matter what you have in your bankroll -25 or even +75, just end the session and goto a new table.

200.00 per table profits occur in just the first 7 to 20 hands. DO NOT WAIT for a run to happen. If it does later in the game, who cares."

I have a few questions about your above approach:

1) No problem with a $1,000 bankroll. I assume that's for a $25 minimum table.

2) You advise going home home after losing 20% of your bankroll. 20% loss limit is fine, but you must go home early quite often. 20% of $1,000 is only $200, which at a $25 table is only 8 bets. Given the betting progression you use, and your penchant for throwing aways $25 on a superstitious and illogical belief that playing both Banker and Player at the same time somehow "insures" your ability to bet into a streak, then it won't take long to reach $200 in losses at any one session. And you, yourself, claim to lose 75% of your hands/sessions and only win 25%. You say that you are able to make up the difference and get ahead because of your betting progression, which results in "huge" profits on the 25% of the sessions/hands that you do win. Apparently, that enables you to win $500 to $1,000 EVERY DAY. If you stick hard and fast with your 20% loss limit, however, then there's no way you can have enough left during the day to continue to play at a rate of losing 75% and winning 25%. There's something about all of this that doesn't compute. No question, just an observation.

3) First question: Why leave the table after winning $200? Ending your play for the day by limiting your wins and only playing short sessions, only to come back the next day/week/month, does not and will not affect the long-term results. For all anyone knows, you could be leaving at the wrong time. If you stay, you might be at the beginning of a hot streak and wind up winning $2,000 or more. Seems to me that you are denying yourself the opportunity to really clean up. Why not stay until you stop winning?

4) Second question: Why leave the casino after winning $1,000? Same comments as in 3) above apply here. You clearly have a winning system, so why not stick with it? I can see leaving if it's taken you the better part of a day to win $1,000 and you are feeling tired, but if you hit your win goal early and leave, then you might be depriving yourself of the opportunity to rake in $10,000 or more. Again, ending your play for the day by limiting your wins, only to come back the next day/week/month, does not and will not affect the long-term results. It's all one long session strung out over x amount of time (hours, days, weeks, months, sessions, hands, whatever). The house edge is immutable and will not change. You will not influence the odds by winning x amount of money or playing x amount of hands or x amount of sessions.

5) You claim: "200.00 per table profits occur in just the first 7 to 20 hands." I guess that's why you advise leaving the table after 20 hands. It's much more likely, however, for $200 losses to occur in the first 7 - 20 hands than it is for $200 profits. There's absolutely no way you can predict winnings or losses in the first 7 - 20 hands of a shoe. For all anyone knows, the first 20 - 40 hands may be all losers, but the last 40 - 80 hands might be where the winners ae located. Would you please show me the math--or logic--that backs up your assertion?
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October 7th, 2013 at 9:53:39 AM permalink
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Of course my math doesn't make sense to you. But we need not worry about any math, because you yourself have stated that we can overcome the math.

While I would normally follow any instruction given by my Master, at this time I cannot "Go read a book or something".
The home experiment is simply taking up too much of my time to "read a book or something". (500 sessions is very demanding.)
Besides, it should not matter if "Gambling" is for me or not, as my Master is teaching all of us a sure thing! If it's a sure thing, it cannot be considered a gamble, right?

Speaking of the home experiment, I have completed another five (5) sessions, bringing the total sessions played up to twenty (20).
Of the five sessions recently played, three of them were winning sessions.
The total is now -$875.



rob45, it's time to give up your experimenting, this game is not for you, All math aside, Your discussion gives you away because it does not make any sense. This is not the first time, this is the second time you've don't this.

1) Post your 3 losing games on here (Ex: BBPPBBBPBPBBBBBPPP) and let me check it.
I can tell you if you're doing it right.

I know fact right now you are not following instruction after I tell you -200 is the limit or 20 hands is the limit.

rob45, you are not following instruction, you are simply playing it in your head and assuming or not playing nothing and making up stories.

This is not the first time, this is the second time you've don't this.

As your teacher, I'm not asking you, I'm telling you to take up a new hobby, because this game of Baccarat is not for you at this time.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
varmenti
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October 7th, 2013 at 10:04:18 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti

Quote: rob45

Of course my math doesn't make sense to you. But we need not worry about any math, because you yourself have stated that we can overcome the math.

While I would normally follow any instruction given by my Master, at this time I cannot "Go read a book or something".
The home experiment is simply taking up too much of my time to "read a book or something". (500 sessions is very demanding.)
Besides, it should not matter if "Gambling" is for me or not, as my Master is teaching all of us a sure thing! If it's a sure thing, it cannot be considered a gamble, right?

Speaking of the home experiment, I have completed another five (5) sessions, bringing the total sessions played up to twenty (20).
Of the five sessions recently played, three of them were winning sessions.
The total is now -$875.



rob45, it's time to give up your experimenting, this game is not for you, All math aside, Your discussion gives you away because it does not make any sense. This is not the first time, this is the second time you've don't this.

1) Post your 3 losing games on here (Ex: BBPPBBBPBPBBBBBPPP) and let me check it.
I can tell you if you're doing it right.

I know fact right now you are not following instruction after I tell you -200 is the limit or 20 hands is the limit.

rob45, you are not following instruction, you are simply playing it in your head and assuming or not playing nothing and making up stories.

This is not the first time, this is the second time you've don't this.

As your teacher, I'm not asking you, I'm telling you to take up a new hobby, because this game of Baccarat is not for you at this time.



For those interested in Baccarat and like to experiment go here
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt

The wizard has provided 1000 Shoes for your convenience.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
EvenBob
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October 7th, 2013 at 10:45:22 AM permalink
Quote: rob45

Of course my math doesn't make sense to you. But we need not worry about any math, because you yourself have stated that we can overcome the math.
.



If you go to any of the gambling sites, that's what ALL the
Varmanti's and Gr8's say. The math is meaningless, what
they do OVERCOMES the math. That's like saying they
overcome gravity. It's ridiculous, it's childish, and how these
people last this long a on a real gambling forum like WoV
is a mystery. There was a guy years ago just like Varmanti
on GG. He claimed he owned an entire town in PA, and people
believed him. He claimed he had a 'new' math that negated
the old math. And like Varmenti, he had about the same
grasp of the English language.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 7th, 2013 at 10:51:00 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti

rob45, it's time to give up your experimenting, this game is not for you


Why not? Because he doesn't make up stories about being a professional baccarat player?
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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October 7th, 2013 at 12:03:40 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

For those interested in Baccarat and like to experiment go here
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt

The wizard has provided 1000 Shoes for your convenience.


I've already been to the link displaying the results of 1000 shoes. As a matter-of-fact, I went there long before I ever became a member of this site.

Your action (providing the 1000-shoe link) is not without detriment. Here are some issues (as they relate to our given set of circumstances):
1. We are not playing entire shoes; we're only playing the first 20 hands that result in a decision. So your streak theory (upon which your "partner" betting progression is based) only applies to approximately the first 25% of each of those shoes.

2. Take each of those shoes (on the provided link) and "run it through the wringer" with your system, then tally the results. Hard to say without actually doing it, but you're probably not gonna be very happy.

3. Those shoes are provided to represent a minute percentage of the "math" involved in this game.
Assuming that each shoe is dealt until the number of remaining cards is 6 or less, an 8-deck game represents an average of 83 hands per shoe. With 1000 shoes, we have somewhere close to 83,000 hands being played. Since we are only playing the first 20 decision-making hands of each shoe, we can expect to play somewhere close to 22,000 hands (remember that Ties occur a little less than 10% of the time) in order to prove your system.
Wanna know how many hands REAL experts use to "prove the math"? It's not 22,000 hands. It's not 83,000 hands. It's QUADRILLIONS of hands. For those who do not know, using the American system, a quadrillion has fifteen (15) zeroes.

Quite naturally, I'm not going to play quadrillions of hands to either prove or disprove your system; I'm only going to play 500 "sessions", which can safely be interpreted as somewhere close to 10,000 hands that result in a decision.
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October 7th, 2013 at 12:48:04 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

I know fact right now you are not following instruction after I tell you -200 is the limit or 20 hands is the limit.As your teacher,

Here are the results for the first 30 hands of Shoe #1 of the Wizard's 8 deck shoes (edit)
BBB
P
B
PT
B
PPT
BBTBB
P
BBBBB
PP
B
P
BBTB


please, play this partial shoe out and teach your method
Thanks for sharing

here is the complete shoe #1
Following are 1000 randomly generated baccarat shoes. The shoe contained eight decks and was dealt until the number of cards remaining in the shoe was less than 6. Following are the fields in each comma delimited record.

Field 1: Winning outcome (P = Player win, B = Banker win, T = Tie win)
Field 2: Point value of banker hand
Field 3: Point value of player hand
Field 4: Point value of banker's first card
Field 5: Point value of banker's second card
Field 6: Point value of banker's third card if taken, x otherwise
Field 7: Point value of player's first card
Field 8: Point value of player's second card
Field 9: Point value of player's third card if taken, x otherwise

Shoe Number 1

B,9,7,4,0,5,7,0,x
B,8,7,4,1,3,8,3,6
B,8,6,0,8,x,0,6,x
P,2,8,0,2,x,4,4,x
B,5,3,4,1,x,0,4,9
P,0,2,9,1,0,2,0,0
T,8,8,0,8,x,9,9,x
B,3,2,2,0,1,6,6,0
P,0,6,7,5,8,6,0,x
P,8,9,6,2,x,0,9,x
T,0,0,0,0,0,9,5,6
B,9,6,4,9,6,1,5,x
B,7,1,7,0,x,0,0,1
T,7,7,0,7,x,1,0,6
B,9,8,9,0,x,0,8,x
B,6,2,4,6,6,2,0,0
P,1,7,0,0,1,7,0,x
B,2,0,8,2,2,0,2,8
B,8,6,2,1,5,5,9,2
B,8,2,7,1,x,9,3,x
B,4,0,4,0,x,4,6,0
B,8,6,2,2,4,7,9,x
P,6,8,0,6,x,3,5,x
P,0,8,7,3,0,1,9,8
B,9,0,2,7,x,0,0,x
P,6,7,0,0,6,0,7,x
B,7,3,9,8,x,9,5,9
B,9,7,5,4,x,0,7,x
T,8,8,3,5,x,2,6,x
B,7,5,8,9,x,5,0,0
T,6,6,7,9,x,0,6,x
B,9,4,8,1,x,0,4,x
B,7,4,0,7,x,0,4,0
B,9,6,0,9,x,0,6,x
B,9,6,3,1,5,0,2,4
P,4,8,6,8,x,0,8,x
B,7,6,7,0,x,0,6,x
B,7,6,0,7,x,8,8,x
B,9,0,9,0,x,0,0,x
P,2,6,2,0,0,3,0,3
P,4,6,1,3,0,6,0,x
T,2,2,5,8,9,0,3,9
B,9,3,9,0,x,0,3,x
P,4,6,8,4,2,8,8,x
P,6,7,0,6,x,2,0,5
B,9,6,2,3,4,1,0,5
B,8,6,0,8,x,4,2,x
B,7,5,4,3,x,7,5,3
P,1,7,7,4,0,7,0,x
B,6,2,0,0,6,0,1,1
P,3,8,8,5,x,1,7,x
B,5,2,6,6,3,5,0,7
P,3,5,2,8,3,6,9,0
P,4,6,8,6,x,5,0,1
B,9,5,0,0,9,4,1,0
B,7,2,9,8,x,0,0,2
P,0,9,3,7,x,0,9,x
P,7,8,8,9,x,1,0,7
B,5,4,0,5,0,6,4,4
P,0,9,0,0,x,8,1,x
B,6,4,4,2,x,0,3,1
P,2,9,1,0,1,0,2,7
P,0,5,6,4,0,5,0,0
T,6,6,3,3,x,6,0,x
T,0,0,0,0,0,7,3,0
B,9,0,4,5,x,4,6,x
P,1,5,0,1,0,0,0,5
B,9,3,9,5,5,8,3,2
P,5,6,0,5,0,2,4,x
P,3,9,6,7,x,3,6,x
P,3,6,1,2,0,8,4,4
B,8,7,9,2,7,0,7,x
B,9,5,0,1,8,0,5,0
P,5,6,0,0,5,8,7,1
B,5,0,3,2,0,0,3,7
B,8,7,3,0,5,7,0,x
B,7,4,4,0,3,9,3,2
P,3,8,3,0,x,8,0,x
P,6,9,9,7,x,4,5,x
B,7,6,7,0,x,3,2,1
P,0,8,0,0,x,8,0,x
T,3,3,2,0,1,3,0,0
B,6,4,5,1,x,5,0,9

Banker Wins = 44
Player Wins = 30
Tie Wins = 9

added: link to 10,000 8 deck shoe results
8 deck shoe link
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/13303-reverse-engineered-baccarat/#post225993
created with WinStats Baccarat simulation program
(free Windows program)
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
varmenti
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October 7th, 2013 at 1:06:20 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

Here are the results for the first 30 hands of Shoe #1 of the Wizard's 8 deck shoes

Hand Result
1 B
2 B
3 B
4 P
5 B
6 P
7 T
8 B
9 P
10 P
11 T
12 B
13 B
14 T
15 B
16 B
17 P
18 B
19 B
20 B
21 B
22 B
23 P
24 P
25 B
26 P
27 B
28 B
29 T
30 B
please, play this partial shoe out and teach your method
Thanks for sharing

here is the complete shoe #1
Following are 1000 randomly generated baccarat shoes. The shoe contained eight decks and was dealt until the number of cards remaining in the shoe was less than 6. Following are the fields in each comma delimited record.

Field 1: Winning outcome (P = Player win, B = Banker win, T = Tie win)
Field 2: Point value of banker hand
Field 3: Point value of player hand
Field 4: Point value of banker's first card
Field 5: Point value of banker's second card
Field 6: Point value of banker's third card if taken, x otherwise
Field 7: Point value of player's first card
Field 8: Point value of player's second card
Field 9: Point value of player's third card if taken, x otherwise

Shoe Number 1

B,9,7,4,0,5,7,0,x
B,8,7,4,1,3,8,3,6
B,8,6,0,8,x,0,6,x
P,2,8,0,2,x,4,4,x
B,5,3,4,1,x,0,4,9
P,0,2,9,1,0,2,0,0
T,8,8,0,8,x,9,9,x
B,3,2,2,0,1,6,6,0
P,0,6,7,5,8,6,0,x
P,8,9,6,2,x,0,9,x
T,0,0,0,0,0,9,5,6
B,9,6,4,9,6,1,5,x
B,7,1,7,0,x,0,0,1
T,7,7,0,7,x,1,0,6
B,9,8,9,0,x,0,8,x
B,6,2,4,6,6,2,0,0
P,1,7,0,0,1,7,0,x
B,2,0,8,2,2,0,2,8
B,8,6,2,1,5,5,9,2
B,8,2,7,1,x,9,3,x
B,4,0,4,0,x,4,6,0
B,8,6,2,2,4,7,9,x
P,6,8,0,6,x,3,5,x
P,0,8,7,3,0,1,9,8
B,9,0,2,7,x,0,0,x
P,6,7,0,0,6,0,7,x
B,7,3,9,8,x,9,5,9
B,9,7,5,4,x,0,7,x
T,8,8,3,5,x,2,6,x
B,7,5,8,9,x,5,0,0
T,6,6,7,9,x,0,6,x
B,9,4,8,1,x,0,4,x
B,7,4,0,7,x,0,4,0
B,9,6,0,9,x,0,6,x
B,9,6,3,1,5,0,2,4
P,4,8,6,8,x,0,8,x
B,7,6,7,0,x,0,6,x
B,7,6,0,7,x,8,8,x
B,9,0,9,0,x,0,0,x
P,2,6,2,0,0,3,0,3
P,4,6,1,3,0,6,0,x
T,2,2,5,8,9,0,3,9
B,9,3,9,0,x,0,3,x
P,4,6,8,4,2,8,8,x
P,6,7,0,6,x,2,0,5
B,9,6,2,3,4,1,0,5
B,8,6,0,8,x,4,2,x
B,7,5,4,3,x,7,5,3
P,1,7,7,4,0,7,0,x
B,6,2,0,0,6,0,1,1
P,3,8,8,5,x,1,7,x
B,5,2,6,6,3,5,0,7
P,3,5,2,8,3,6,9,0
P,4,6,8,6,x,5,0,1
B,9,5,0,0,9,4,1,0
B,7,2,9,8,x,0,0,2
P,0,9,3,7,x,0,9,x
P,7,8,8,9,x,1,0,7
B,5,4,0,5,0,6,4,4
P,0,9,0,0,x,8,1,x
B,6,4,4,2,x,0,3,1
P,2,9,1,0,1,0,2,7
P,0,5,6,4,0,5,0,0
T,6,6,3,3,x,6,0,x
T,0,0,0,0,0,7,3,0
B,9,0,4,5,x,4,6,x
P,1,5,0,1,0,0,0,5
B,9,3,9,5,5,8,3,2
P,5,6,0,5,0,2,4,x
P,3,9,6,7,x,3,6,x
P,3,6,1,2,0,8,4,4
B,8,7,9,2,7,0,7,x
B,9,5,0,1,8,0,5,0
P,5,6,0,0,5,8,7,1
B,5,0,3,2,0,0,3,7
B,8,7,3,0,5,7,0,x
B,7,4,4,0,3,9,3,2
P,3,8,3,0,x,8,0,x
P,6,9,9,7,x,4,5,x
B,7,6,7,0,x,3,2,1
P,0,8,0,0,x,8,0,x
T,3,3,2,0,1,3,0,0
B,6,4,5,1,x,5,0,9

Banker Wins = 44
Player Wins = 30
Tie Wins = 9



Have Rob45 show you first, he seams to know what he's doing. Keep in mind that at 20 hands you should be up $25.00 but because its an ongoing run of Bankers so continue till the run ends. by the end of the Banker run this session will have broke you even. No win No Loss after 22 Hands. time to move on to another Table.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
EdgeLooker
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October 7th, 2013 at 1:30:46 PM permalink
Varmenti,

How much in "Banker" commissions do you estimate you have lost unnecessarily?

By unnecessary, I mean when you are betting both "Player" and "Banker" at the very same time just for the intent to find out which will start a streak first and "Banker" comes out, and also when you are betting more money on "Player" (hoping for the Player streak to continue) and at the very same time betting a unit or more on "Banker," and again "Banker" comes out.
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October 7th, 2013 at 1:45:08 PM permalink
Quote: EdgeLooker

Varmenti,

How much in "Banker" commissions do you estimate you have lost unnecessarily?

By unnecessary, I mean when you are betting both "Player" and "Banker" at the very same time just for the intent to find out which will start a streak first and "Banker" comes out, and also when you are betting more money on "Player" (hoping for the Player streak to continue) and at the very same time betting a unit or more on "Banker," and again "Banker" comes out.



I don't even take the Banker 5% into consideration, It's just a small amount and has no affect on the winnings. It does add up over a period of time but I still don't let it worry my methods.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
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October 7th, 2013 at 1:52:28 PM permalink
Quote: gr8varmenti

I don't even take the Banker 5% into consideration, It's just a small amount and has no affect on the winnings. It does add up over a period of time but I still don't let it worry my methods.


In other words, gr8varmenti makes so much money, he can't be bothered with such trivialities.


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