Buzzard's Horse System
Quote: treetopbuddyWill Take Charge wins Rebel. 425K Keeneland Yearling purchase. By Unbridled Song out the a Dehere mare....the great champion, Take Charge Lady. Will Take Charge is now worth 10 million minimum when syndicated as a stallion If he can win a classic race, 20 million or more. The Sport of Kings.
10 million for winning the Rebel? Lol
Quote: treetopbuddyReread post FinsRule. He will be syndicated for 10 million if he never runs again. 20 million or more if can win a classic. Japanese buyers could pay up to 50 million if horse can win Kentucky Derby. Lol
And I'm saying no horse is worth 10 million for winning only the rebel
This was a grade 2 race won by a head by a horse that was 28-1 and was so well thought of that Lucas put his 2nd stringer on him. And now he can be syndicated for 10 million if he never ran again? We dont even know what his figure was. The time was nothing special though.
The horse might turn out to be something, but as of now, he's definitely not worth 10 million, I don't care what your job is.
"I don't care what you job is," really? FinsRule, you simply have not a clue. Your way over your head here. As an owner/trainer/breeder and bloodstock agent, I think I'm allowed to weigh in here with some authority. God knows there is no shortage of "experts" on WOV. Well, I'm the horse racing expert. When I say the horse is worth 10 million, it's worth 10 million. The horse has proven himself a top class racehorse and could be syndicated right now for 10 million. He has a half brother Take Charge Indy a 15 plus million dollar stallion. Stick to trying to pick winning horses.Quote: FinsRuleI respect your posts. Not that one though. It's ok, you exaggerated. No big deal.
This was a grade 2 race won by a head by a horse that was 28-1 and was so well thought of that Lucas put his 2nd stringer on him. And now he can be syndicated for 10 million if he never ran again? We dont even know what his figure was. The time was nothing special though.
The horse might turn out to be something, but as of now, he's definitely not worth 10 million, I don't care what your job is.
And if you think he is worth 10 million, then you must not be good at your job in the horse industry. Sorry.
Take Charge Indy is not "out of" A.P. Indy. He didn't come out of A.P Indy's belly. He is "by" A.P. Indy. Your don't understand pedigrees and I wouldn't expect you to....the horse just won a Grade 2 race.....he has proven himself a racehorse. You simply don't understand the Fyou money that makes up the high end of the horse racing market. 10 million dollars for a class racehorse with a great female family is peanuts. If he regresses, he will be taken out of training and retired to a farm in Kentucky or send overseas where the real money is.....again stick to trying to pick winners. Sorry.Quote: FinsRuleAnd take charge Indy won the Grade I Florida Derby over top class horses. Out of AP Indy. Will Take Charge has not proven anything. If he is worth 10 million right now, the owners are idiots if they haven't agreed right now to that deal.
And if you think he is worth 10 million, then you must not be good at your job in the horse industry. Sorry.
Quote: treetopbuddyTake Charge Indy is not "out of" A.P. Indy. He didn't come out of A.P Indy's belly. He is "by" A.P. Indy. Your don't understand pedigrees and I wouldn't expect you to....the horse just won a Grade 2 race.....he has proven himself a racehorse. You simply don't understand the Fyou money that makes up the high end of the horse racing market. 10 million dollars for a class racehorse with a great female family is peanuts. If he regresses, he will be taken out of training and retired to a farm in Kentucky or send overseas where the real money is.....again stick to trying to pick winners. Sorry.
Ok, if we're going to nitpick...
"Your don't understand pedigrees" doesn't make sense.
"...or send overseas" doesn't make sense.
What is Fyou money?
Winning one grade 2 race doesn't mean anything. I'm not going to list you a bunch of Grade II winning horses that are crap, but I could.
10 million is not peanuts.
Quote: FinsRuleAnd take charge Indy won the Grade I Florida Derby over top class horses. Out of AP Indy. Will Take Charge has not proven anything. If he is worth 10 million right now, the owners are idiots if they haven't agreed right now to that deal.
And if you think he is worth 10 million, then you must not be good at your job in the horse industry. Sorry.
Since your the Bloodstock expert could you please tell me the value of I'll Take Charge as a stallion. Since last discussion the colt won the Grade 1 Travers and a second in the Jerome running a 106 or 107 Beyers speed figure.
Quote: KeyserLive horse racing is pretty much a sucker's bet. Most casinos games, including slots have better odds considering the high track hold.
You don't take into account the fact that it is a Parimutuel pool. There are bargains to be had. I've seen harness races go off with 99% of the place pool on a single horse. End result, that horse breaks and your $2 place bet on a very strong horse pays over $80. At the smaller tracks especially, a single person can skew the odds so much that there are outrageous odds.
If you played the horses like you did the slot machines, you'd bet $2 to win on the #3 horse every race. How can you compare them?
As gambler's have become wiser, the racetracks have had to offer casino games that offer better odds in order to stay alive.
A progressive slot machine or poker machine could offer a better advantage if the pot has reached a certain limit.
-Keyser
Quote: KeyserGiven the incredibly high track cut here in the US, it's hard to imagine how you could find enough advantageous bets to win in the long run.
Wouldn't you always expect to come out ahea, especially "in the long run" if you are making "advantageous bets"?
The key is to stick to the advantageous bets, and not bet every race. It's not a lottery. Smart players don't play their favorite numbers.
1. There are few professional horse players. - TRUE
2. There are people that make money annually playing horses - TRUE
To me, professional means that a majority of your income comes from that source. There are not many horse players that fall in that category. But there are many that finish ahead annually because it's a game of skill.
16-1 right now.
Quote: ontariodealerthe key thing is to identify possible overlays and bet them only....in a few minutes in the 7th race at mountaineer, the 9 horse, good's secret is a good example, sitting at
16-1 right now.
Remember your overlay is someones underlay......an overlay is simply your opinion based on your handicapping methods.
Quote: FinsRuleAnd take charge Indy won the Grade I Florida Derby over top class horses. Out of AP Indy. Will Take Charge has not proven anything. If he is worth 10 million right now, the owners are idiots if they haven't agreed right now to that deal.
And if you think he is worth 10 million, then you must not be good at your job in the horse industry. Sorry.
Yo, FinsRule, bloodstock expert......what is Will Take Charge's value as a stallion, now? Since your very disrespectful post^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Will Take Charge has won the Travers, Pennsylvania Derby and second in the Jerome. He's won nearly two million dollars and is in the mix for 3 year old Horse of the Year. You have not a clue. Yes, I standby my claim the horse was worth 10 million after winning the Rebel and will not defend the position. Don't have to......The money that wealthy people throw at horses is incomprehensible to you. Stick to your 2 dollar bets at Arlington.
Quote: FinsRuleThere's two different points.
1. There are few professional horse players. - TRUE
2. There are people that make money annually playing horses - TRUE
To me, professional means that a majority of your income comes from that source. There are not many horse players that fall in that category. But there are many that finish ahead annually because it's a game of skill.
Slight problem here. If you win at the bookmakers you get banned or restricted. With Boylesports the maximum bet they will accept from me on a 13/8 chance is SEVEN pence!
Quote: treetopbuddyStick to your 2 dollar bets at Arlington.
Wow, that is funny to me. LOL ZING!!
It would have been even more rude if you said "Stick to your $2 bets on the chalk at Arlington."
I know there are unique situation in just about everything having to do with gambling that create a positive situation.Ii cant cant see how with simply handicapping horses can be beat
Quote: FinsRuleAnd take charge Indy won the Grade I Florida Derby over top class horses. Out of AP Indy. Will Take Charge has not proven anything. If he is worth 10 million right now, the owners are idiots if they haven't agreed right now to that deal.
And if you think he is worth 10 million, then you must not be good at your job in the horse industry. Sorry.
Good job Treetopbuddy for picking out class horse. It appears as if Will Take Charge has proven something. Second in Breeder Cup classic beaten by a short nose for it all.....a 3 year year. Impressive! He will be the Eclipse Award winning 3 year old Champion. Treetopbuddy wants to know what Finsrule values Will Take Charge as a stallion .....now.
Quote: BuzzardMy system is to bet on a horse than has a 50% chance of winning the race.
You lost me right there. How does one determine the probability of any given horse winning?
Quote: treetopbuddySend 10.00 to..... Buzzard, Grand Junction, Co. and the secret will be reveled.
Wizard, there is NO FREE LUNCH IN USA AND CANADA.
If Will Take Charge stays healthy, horse racing might have a real star.
If Will Take Charge stays healthy, horse racing might have a real star.
Quote: ontariodealerhttp://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/racinghub/archive/2013/09/16/horse-racing-needs-a-new-box.aspx
Thanks for link.....cancelled my subscription to Blood Horse years ago. Horse racing never changes. Most tracks are being subsidized by the casinos. They let the enemy into their camp. Beginning of the end.
Quote: treetopbuddyWill Take Charge won the Clark. Didn't see the race as my jail cell didn't come with T.V. Wonder what Finsrule values the stallion at now. Yes, he was worth 10 million after winning Rebel last spring.
If Will Take Charge stays healthy, horse racing might have a real star.
Probably about 15-20 mil.
I guess you want to keep talking about this, so we can.
I'd like one example of any horse that was sold for 10 million as a stallion that had never won or placed in a Grade I race.
It seems silly that you keep bringing up the fact that you think he was worth 10 mil, and I think he was worth 5 mil. What a silly argument to have. Then, you're using his current success to prove something. All I said after the Rebel was that he needed to prove his worth and he did.
So, keep arguing buddy. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove because unless you have facts, this is just your opinion versus mine and the people I talked to.
Quote: FinsRulethe people I talked to.
Wow, you actually talked with people that might actually have an idea as how to value bloodstock.....good for you Old Sport.....keep listening and you might learn something.
