Holy grail found (email me at colintrans@gmail.com, respected forum members only)

Firstly, I may look like a complete waste of time with 1 post but, i have found the holy grail for roulette. Can it be applied to every other casino game? Yes Why? Patterns.
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1537.msg12859#new
Same rules apply in this forum.

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Have fun, I'm sure THIS one is legit.

I respect your belief but take the time to read the link please. In short, i am offering my holy grail system for free to respected members and it's up to them whether they want to pay me. But to anyone who is not as trusted, they will have to pay me first and i will personally contact them. But just keep your eye out on this thread because time will tell whether it's a load of bs.

And wait for a good amount of respected forum members to post their opinions before investing. That way, you will be guaranteed to trust me, once again please give the link a read.

Admin note: I have moved this thread to the B.S. forum.

(B.S. = Betting System, and vice versa)

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Quote: Exultant

i have found the holy grail for roulette.
Can it be applied to every other casino game? Yes Why? Patterns.

You claim your studies have shown between 3 and 5% player edge.
That is great.

But... your quote...
"After losing 1 thousand dollars at the casino doing my holy grail method, i realised i had the poorest money management"

I say maybe your bankroll is too small?

My suggestion, Place some of your ideas in this thread and ask for investors.
It has been done before.
You have to show something about your holy grail.
Maybe your Excel has errors in it that you have missed.


People invest real money in almost anything these days.
That will give you a larger bankroll than you currently have.

Split all the winnings with each investor, including yourself, after you make your first million and you can then do it again.

Good Luck

My system is simple, and requires no thinking, A 5 year old could do it. I have already released the holy grail to a few people and they are testing it and will get back to me.

Quote: Exultant

My system is simple, and requires no thinking, A 5 year old could do it. I have already released the holy grail to a few people and they are testing it and will get back to me.

Oh yeah!!! Well I know where there is a big fat pile of hidden treasure, And right now I'm printing a whole bunch of maps up so everyone can have one.

I recommend you speak to Michael Bluejay. If your system really is profitable, surely you can raise the $3000 you need from a measly hundred without much difficulty. I can show you where to find $5 roulette tables if that's your issue. Or if even that's too much, if it's really true that it can be applied to "any game," I can show you where to find $1 video roulette (single zero!), or $2 meatspace big six, or $3 sic bo (video bets, real dice).

Quote: 24Bingo

I recommend you speak to Michael Bluejay. If your system really is profitable, surely you can raise the $3000 you need from a measly hundred without much difficulty. I can show you where to find $5 roulette tables if that's your issue. Or if even that's too much, if it's really true that it can be applied to "any game," I can show you where to find $1 video roulette (single zero!), or $2 meatspace big six, or $3 sic bo (video bets, real dice).

Being from Australia, online gambling is forbidden. And as for Michael Bluejay, i'm happy to give him my strategy for free and he can give me some money if he finds it works, and hopefully he can post and get my reputation up.

My current money management strategy will make me about 5k a year and thats with 1 hour a day playing. I want to boost it quickly.

Quote: Exultant

Quote: 24Bingo

I recommend you speak to Michael Bluejay. If your system really is profitable, surely you can raise the $3000 you need from a measly hundred without much difficulty. I can show you where to find $5 roulette tables if that's your issue. Or if even that's too much, if it's really true that it can be applied to "any game," I can show you where to find $1 video roulette (single zero!), or $2 meatspace big six, or $3 sic bo (video bets, real dice).

Being from Australia, online gambling is forbidden. And as for Michael Bluejay, i'm happy to give him my strategy for free and he can give me some money if he finds it works, and hopefully he can post and get my reputation up.

My current money management strategy will make me about 5k a year and thats with 1 hour a day playing. I want to boost it quickly.

I'm begging you man run ,run from here. Post no more! The math gods are coming and there gonna stomp you and your system out :)

*sips coffee, pets cat*

What qualifies one as a "respected forum member"?

Is it by invitation only, or is there some kind of formula involving post count, blog hits and ban days?

This forum should have a day counter that resets when someone new says they can beat roulette. There are a lot of beatable games (+EV) in the casino, roulette is not one of them unless you're taking advantage of wheel bias or cheating. There's no way you're going to get any serious takers in this forum that have been around for longer than a year.

I sent this guy a $100,000 check. Is it too late to stop it?

I think he sounds honest! I will send money too!

Quote: Calder

What qualifies one as a "respected forum member"?

Is it by invitation only, or is there some kind of formula involving post count, blog hits and ban days?

Just post in this thread or email me and i will make an evaluation. The biggest determining factor is someone who i feel will build my reputation up. I would rather you post in this thread so there will be solid evidence and of course i would definitely like you to share your opinions once tested, however, keep the system a secret.

I would rather you wait for a lot of evidence rather than you send money early and yes i know the above comments are sarcasm.

If there are nominations for someone to test it, i will look into it, most likely give it to them.

Dang! I can't participate as I am not respected. I still wish you guys the best making all those millions though.

Nominate people, get them to post here and we will soon find out whether this is complete bs.

Quote: Exultant

Nominate people, get them to post here and we will soon find out whether this is complete bs.

I'm not nominating anyone. I already know its bullshit! I'm just trying to figure out what your up too. Clearly your not on the level.

You can call it Patterns or Vibes or whatever...
IF you spend the time to compose this post and to deal with inquiries ... then you are spending time which you could otherwise be at a roulette wheel APPLYING your system.
You would make far, far more playing your system than selling it, IF your system actually worked.

The only "patterns" that matter in roulette is what has been happening for decades in casinos world wide... the house wins, the players lose.

Hey! I was laying off posting here because of the thing about "respected members only" but after seeing who is posting now I'm peeved!

Exultant, give it up, this forum is all about *not* being a sucker, you should be able to see that by now?

No math at all...if someone had a system that was making them a life-changing amount of money why would they consider selling it or giving it away? I know that books helped elevate card counting and also elevated casino scrutiny of potential counters, so you would have to know the same thing would happen to any winning system.

You certainly wouldn't offer it here just because there are some respected forum members. You don't know any of these people. Keep your system amongst a closely guarded group of friends and get rich!!

It just makes common sense that you wouldn't come to a site run by someone known as the "Wizard of Odds" and not expect to have math thrown in your face!!

Quote: Exultant

wait for a good amount of respected forum members to post their opinions before investing.

Using ESP I have divined the secrets of this system and will show them for FREE here *diabolical laughter*

You'll have to admit, THIS SYSTEM REALLY WORKS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l48P86a2QOQ

Quote: Exultant

My system is simple, and requires no thinking, A 5 year old could do it. I have already released the holy grail to a few people and they are testing it and will get back to me.

Let me ask you this, Mr. Exultant.... Roulette has been around for centuries, and casinos have made billions of dollars from it. And wise, well trained math experts have figured out that the house edge is either 2.7 or 5.3% depending on if there are 1 or 2 zeros. But after all these years of study, some guy in Australia, who CANT EVEN SCRAPE TOGETHER $5000, found a system, so simple, that it requires no thinking! And that system turns a loss into a 3 - 5% edge over the house. Other than being laughed at, you will get no real responses here unless you post your system. Once you do post it, we have many kind math experts who will explain to you why your system does not work.

The above is a good summary for you to think about.

Quote: Exultant

My current money management strategy will make me about 5k a year and thats with 1 hour a day playing. I want to boost it quickly.

Well that's $15 per hour, which you could call a good start. But why limit yourself to 1h a day ? Make it 10h, and after a few weeks you should have enough bankroll.

I'll give the OP credit..he's got some brass ones. But he apparently doesn't understand what 5.26%HE means. I'd send him some money but I just sent it all to a Nigerian prince who has assured me I've won the lottery in his home country.

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Quote: Exultant

Firstly, I may look like a complete waste of time with 1 post but, i have found the holy grail for roulette. Can it be applied to every other casino game? Yes Why? Patterns.
http://rouletteplace.com/index.php?topic=1537.msg12859#new
Same rules apply in this forum.

does it come with a free iPad?

and are you a nigerian prince?
cause i only believe i won lotteries from someone from the Nigerian Royal family.
The nigerian prime minister doesnt count, unless he's also a royal

Quote: Exultant

Firstly, I may look like a complete waste of time with 1 post but, i have found the holy grail for roulette.

I could tell my boss but I don't think he will be too keen, he's already got one.

I have earned 19.33 reputation points on this forum, does that qualify me for the holy Grail, or do I have to wait?

I am respected in the anatomy community, does this count? I am eager to review this casino-spanking system.

Quote: Sphincter

I am respected in the anatomy community, does this count? I am eager to review this casino-spanking system.

I'm not respected anywhere; I guess that shuts me out of this system!! darn it!! I was going to take over the casino!!

Quote: Exultant

Being from Australia, online gambling is forbidden.

I meant real tables, but real tables in the US. It sounds like you're already playing, though.

Quote: Exultant

And as for Michael Bluejay, i'm happy to give him my strategy for free and he can give me some money if he finds it works, and hopefully he can post and get my reputation up.

Uh-uh. Doesn't work like that. You don't get him to read your BS for free. Pay up.

Quote: Exultant

My current money management strategy will make me about 5k a year and thats with 1 hour a day playing. I want to boost it quickly.

Then your money management strategy sucks. When you've doubled your bankroll, double your units. If your system works, this shouldn't be a problem, since you've no more risk of ruin now than you had when you set out.

Quote: 24Bingo

Or if even that's too much, if it's really true that it can be applied to "any game," I can show you where to find $1 video roulette (single zero!), or $2 meatspace big six, or $3 sic bo (video bets, real dice).

Yeah, if this is another one of those even money bets only systems (what a boring way to play Roulette), you would get better odds just betting high/low in Sic bo (what a boring way to play Sic bo). Sic bo might get you slightly better comps, although I'd rather play at a real table where they wait for everybody to bet before shaking the dice if I were playing for comps because of the (relatively) slower pace. Or you could play Banker/Player in Baccarat for even better odds and better comps. Probably the highest table limits, too, if this is a progressive betting system.

The website makes it look like this might be bias play, though. If that's the case, I'll say what I've said before about Roulette bias play: Find a single zero wheel, and either find one with the call bets racetrack or learn how to place the call bets yourself, then take advantage of the call bets to bet entire sections of the wheel. I mean, if you really think you can predict where the ball is going to end up, a section is a much bigger target than a single number or a color or something like that.

Quote: SOOPOO

Let me ask you this, Mr. Exultant.... Roulette has been around for centuries, and casinos have made billions of dollars from it. And wise, well trained math experts have figured out that the house edge is either 2.7 or 5.3% depending on if there are 1 or 2 zeros. But after all these years of study, some guy in Australia, who CANT EVEN SCRAPE TOGETHER $5000, found a system, so simple, that it requires no thinking! And that system turns a loss into a 3 - 5% edge over the house. Other than being laughed at, you will get no real responses here unless you post your system. Once you do post it, we have many kind math experts who will explain to you why your system does not work.

The above is a good summary for you to think about.

Ok i will send you my system, can you promise me to keep it a secret and post your opinion if you agree to test it? Send it to my email.
And a lot of you guys should read the link properly because no matter how high your winning %, it is not hard to lose a lot in one day.
Let me give you an example of why i need money.
I have a bankroll of 2k, you guys are saying: Just keep playing risking it all, if your system does work than you will never go in debt.
Even with a full proof system, it is much easier to lose 2k than win 50k. That is why money management is important and you just don't get rich overnight or in a short time with a small bankroll.

Quote: FleaStiff

You can call it Patterns or Vibes or whatever...
IF you spend the time to compose this post and to deal with inquiries ... then you are spending time which you could otherwise be at a roulette wheel APPLYING your system.
You would make far, far more playing your system than selling it, IF your system actually worked.

The only "patterns" that matter in roulette is what has been happening for decades in casinos world wide... the house wins, the players lose.

I am willing to give you my strategy as well with the terms stated above.

Quote: RonC

No math at all...if someone had a system that was making them a life-changing amount of money why would they consider selling it or giving it away? I know that books helped elevate card counting and also elevated casino scrutiny of potential counters, so you would have to know the same thing would happen to any winning system.

You certainly wouldn't offer it here just because there are some respected forum members. You don't know any of these people. Keep your system amongst a closely guarded group of friends and get rich!!

It just makes common sense that you wouldn't come to a site run by someone known as the "Wizard of Odds" and not expect to have math thrown in your face!!

You as well

Exultant, this site has a "PM" feature. You can PM it to me and I assure you I will test it, and if I am wrong and my test shows that it is a moneymaker, I will not disclose it publicly.

Quote: SOOPOO

Exultant, this site has a "PM" feature. You can PM it to me and I assure you I will test it, and if I am wrong and my test shows that it is a moneymaker, I will not disclose it publicly.

Ok i will send in 5 mins to you

This is why money management is important: The anonymous person recorded 10k real spins and it was just a horrible streak for my system. It is much more than the 2.7% roulette it should have been. That is why millions of spins are needed and i have already done that.

Hi Colin

I have run 10,000 spins since this morning

1000 = -100
2000 = -136
3000 = -64
4000 = -100
5000 = +116
6000 = +44
7000 = -136
8000 = +80
9000 = -280
10000 = -64

10,000 spins played = -640 units

On the basis that I play 200 spins a day that means I stand at -640 units in 50 days play

It was a good idea Colin but I shall not be testing any further

even If It did pull back you will find that people are looking for a consistant daily profit or at least a profit by the end of the week

Thank you for the Idea and I wish you well sir but Im afraid this is not your holy grail

All the spins I tested against are live casino sessions of 200 spins each hand recorded myself at my local casino as I have been playing this game for years and years now and I keep a copy of all sessions I have played.

Kindest Regards to you sir

Mr Exultant, my current bankroll is 200K, you can pm me your strategy and I can test out for you. Will set aside 10K to test your system. Will reward you 1K if I can double the 10K bankroll with your system.

Exultant has sent me his system. I have asked a more skilled forum member to help me run the simulation. It seems pretty clear to me that this system will mimic the 2.7% house edge one would expect in a European wheel. I will report back once the simulation is done.

Quote: Exultant

That is why millions of spins are needed and i have already done that.
[...]
10,000 spins played = -640 units

First you agree that you need millions of spins to test your system (which doesn't mean you need to play those million spins!), and
yet you settle on 10,000 spins to make conclusions ?

And people think I am crazy ? Yet think Exultant is merely confused.

Somehow that does not seem fair !

Now see? I post MY system, and no one takes it seriously. Then this... INTERLOPER posts a system, and everyone takes it seriously, WHEN HIS SYSTEM IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS MINE.

Here's how to beat roulette: get really, really good at guessing what numbers are going to come up. Practice, hard. Practice at guessing numbers. Guess numbers randomly throughout the day. If you're at work, let your mind wander, until a random integer between 1 and 35 (plus 0 and 00) comes into your head. Congratulations, you are on your way to becoming a winner! Next, TRY. Think. Think REALLY HARD. Think until you are sweating, think until your hands tremble. What number did you think of? Is it an integer between 1 and 35 (plus 0 and 00)? NO? YOU IDIOT! TRY AGAIN! (This was the really hard part for me, I kept thinking of non-integers. I tricked my mind by rounding the numbers to the nearest integer, and eventually I only thought of integers, which I then narrowed down to the target range. It took some time, at least 5 minutes, to work on this.)

Got it? Good! You've got the first half of becoming a Professional Roulette Winner locked up!

The next half, this is the tricky part. You need to go to the casino and see if the numbers you have been guessing are going to be winners! And again, Exultant has stolen my idea, because you need a REALLY REALLY BIG BANKROLL to manage. Preferably a nice inheritance, something on the upper side of 6 figures: $500k ought to do it. $1M should definitely suffice. Because, especially if you are a noob (aka newb, newbie, rookie, tyro, green pea, etc), you will make some wrong guesses at the beginning. You'll get some right, but mostly they'll be wrong. Do not despair! keep at it! The best way to overcome a string of losses is to bet more. This is where bankroll management comes in to play, and where is a good idea to have deep pockets. If you lost a dollar, next time bet TWO. If that loses, next bet FOUR. See what happens here? Eventually all your practice should pay off, and you will HIT BIG, and you will recoup all your losses, ALL of them!

Did it work? If so, GREAT! You're a winner! No, it didn't? Do not despair, friend. You didn't practice hard enough. Go home, practice some more. Then take your spare bankroll (you do have a spare bankroll, don't you?) and go back and try again! Keep trying, with you other bankrolls, until it works! And, don't forget to DOUBLE UP.

"NOW WAIT A MINUTE HERE, MOSCA!", you might harrumph at this point. "But but but the math says...."

POPPYCOCK! I say to you. YOUR MATH MEANS NOTHING TO ME AND MY IDEAS. You are in the world of numbers, I am in the world of people and felt and chips and balls and wheels and MONEYMONEYMONEY. You want numbers? Fine. Go live in your ivory tower of numbers and dreams. I, WE, ME AND MY FOLLOWERS, WE are in the world of money and wealth.

I scoff at you. You know NOTHING of what I know.

My question for the math people:

How many spins, rolls, hands, or bets would it take for you to be satisfied that someone has an edge? For example, for a blackjack player who thinks he is AP, how long would he have to play (how many hands) before you would confidently say he was an AP player. Or a craps shooter who claims he is able to set the dice, how many rolls would it take for you to say he was able to assert some level of influence?

Someone above mentioned that 10,000 spins of the wheel was too small of a sample size. Would 10,000 hands of blackjack or 10,000 rolls of the dice be enough?

Just curious.

Quote: Juyemura

My question for the math people:

How many spins, rolls, hands, or bets would it take for you to be satisfied that someone has an edge? For example, for a blackjack player who thinks he is AP, how long would he have to play (how many hands) before you would confidently say he was an AP player. Or a craps shooter who claims he is able to set the dice, how many rolls would it take for you to say he was able to assert some level of influence?

Someone above mentioned that 10,000 spins of the wheel was too small of a sample size. Would 10,000 hands of blackjack or 10,000 rolls of the dice be enough?

Just curious.

I can't speak for those other people, but I can guarantee you that if you are good enough at guessing numbers, you will only need ONE spin to see that my system works.

Mosca, am I allowed to guess 36? That is my favorite number of all time!

Quote: Juyemura

My question for the math people:

How many spins, rolls, hands, or bets would it take for you to be satisfied that someone has an edge? For example, for a blackjack player who thinks he is AP, how long would he have to play (how many hands) before you would confidently say he was an AP player. Or a craps shooter who claims he is able to set the dice, how many rolls would it take for you to say he was able to assert some level of influence?

Someone above mentioned that 10,000 spins of the wheel was too small of a sample size. Would 10,000 hands of blackjack or 10,000 rolls of the dice be enough?

Just curious.

It depends on how much of an edge you are claiming to have. And then you would also have to define what confidence interval you are comfortable with.