100xOdds
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November 5th, 2017 at 7:52:35 AM permalink


this was at a bar I visited in VA this month (Nov).
you bring the ticket to the bartender and he redeems it.
one of the customers sitting at the bar said he won $400 on it.
this machine is just slots. no VP.

but I cant find anything on Google that says slots are now legal in VA?!

This company says the machine is in Compliance w/laws?
https://www.fourcompliance.com/qvscompliance

Company formed 10/13/2017? https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_wy/2017-000772307
if so, that was quick turn around to get machines into locations
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FleaStiff
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November 5th, 2017 at 8:47:41 AM permalink
Are you sure they are actually slot machines and not simply electronic bingo in the style of a slot machine.

Bingo is legal in Virginia.
odiousgambit
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November 5th, 2017 at 8:48:09 AM permalink
There's nowhere on the machine where it says "for entertainment only"?

do you appear to win 'games' or does it clearly show you win money?

any hint they wouldn't pay off if they didn't know you?
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November 5th, 2017 at 8:53:18 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Bingo is legal in Virginia.



Has to be charitable for bingo, and as far as I know the class II idea for slot machines is a no-go
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November 5th, 2017 at 10:09:35 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds



this was at a bar I visited in VA this month (Nov).
you bring the ticket to the bartender and he redeems it.
one of the customers sitting at the bar said he won $400 on it.
this machine is just slots. no VP.

but I cant find anything on Google that says slots are now legal in VA?!

This company says the machine is in Compliance w/laws?
https://www.fourcompliance.com/qvscompliance

Company formed 10/13/2017? https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_wy/2017-000772307
if so, that was quick turn around to get machines into locations



It's hard to say that they are 100% above board.

1.) The, "Registered Address," is a box at a UPS store in Georgia. It's not a suite of any kind, despite what it says.

2.) The, "Agent Address," is an office-share (virtual office) location that can be had for as little as $100/month. These places do mail forwarding, act as an answering service and give you a physical address for when that is needed. In fact, the only real service required is the physical address, I think everything else could technically be optional.

3.) Corporate Creations Network (the agent) is just an online company that can be used to form an LLC online. There are many similar services, registering a Limited Liability Company is exceptionally easy to do in many states. You could have one in an hour, in some.

4.) Here is the business license for Queen of Virginia:

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Which is official, technically, but again, LLC's are easy to create. Wyoming is just registering them as an LLC, they don't give a crap what they do as long as they aren't doing it in Wyoming. See, virtually no information known/needed by Wyoming:

https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=255105013187109201134018042171200104108176118046

You just call the thing something and have a dedicated address. I think, "Suite," is just to make it look more official, it's a UPS box.

5.) Unless the law has changed, these would definitely constitute illegal gaming devices under Virginia code:

3. "Gambling device" includes:
a. Any device, machine, paraphernalia, equipment, or other thing, including books, records and other papers, which are actually used in an illegal gambling operation or activity, and
b. Any machine, apparatus, implement, instrument, contrivance, board or other thing, or electronic or video versions thereof, including but not limited to those dependent upon the insertion of a coin or other object for their operation, which operates, either completely automatically or with the aid of some physical act by the player or operator, in such a manner that, depending upon elements of chance, it may eject something of value or determine the prize or other thing of value to which the player is entitled; provided, however, that the return to the user of nothing more than additional chances or the right to use such machine is not deemed something of value within the meaning of this subsection; and provided further, that machines that only sell, or entitle the user to, items of merchandise of equivalent value that may differ from each other in composition, size, shape or color, shall not be deemed gambling devices within the meaning of this subsection.
Such devices are no less gambling devices if they indicate beforehand the definite result of one or more operations but not all the operations. Nor are they any less a gambling device because, apart from their use or adaptability as such, they may also sell or deliver something of value on a basis other than chance.


They say Authorized by the VA Office for Alcohol Beverage Control, which even if true, does not authorize them to operate for actual gambling purposes. They could theoretically operate, "For entertainment purposes," but the ABC doesn't authorize any forms of gambling---they lack the capacity to---the games would have to be approved by the VA Lottery Commission.

6.) I find no record of them being reviewed or authorized by the AG. I am similarly unsurprised that they offer no such documentation regarding same on thyeir one-page website.

So, there you go.

SHORT VERSION: No way this is legal. Some Counties/Cities/Municipalities may turn a blind eye as is sometimes done elsewhere, though.
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ThatDonGuy
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November 5th, 2017 at 11:33:23 AM permalink
Replace these with "bingo pinball machines" and you have just described a number of places in California. The machines themselves don't pay out; some guy behind the counter "buys the games back." It's quite illegal (and there are stories of the machines being demolished when found), and I have a feeling these are just as illegal.
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November 5th, 2017 at 3:21:02 PM permalink
In Wisconsin, bar slot machines work by awarding credits. Those credits are used to purchase prizes. Those prizes are bought back by the operator for cash. It'd be like if an arcade "sold" a stuffed animal for 50 tickets and then bought it back for $20. That structure seems to comply with the letter of VA's laws.
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Mission146
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November 5th, 2017 at 4:34:26 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

In Wisconsin, bar slot machines work by awarding credits. Those credits are used to purchase prizes. Those prizes are bought back by the operator for cash. It'd be like if an arcade "sold" a stuffed animal for 50 tickets and then bought it back for $20. That structure seems to comply with the letter of VA's laws.



Not a lawyer, but I agree that it might. I’m not sure about the buyback aspect because it refers to, “Merchandise credit.” A few Ohio truck stops have something similar with their Cherry Masters, but you actually have to get merchandise.
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November 5th, 2017 at 11:00:12 PM permalink
Internet Sweepstakes stores pop up all the time. They generally close before they get shut down. One opened on Long Island about two years ago. The operators seemed proud of the 85% payback the machines offered. They were gone in about three months.

Here is a link to one of their FAQ pages
http://www.sweepstakesmachines.com/faq
100xOdds
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February 3rd, 2018 at 2:23:02 PM permalink


Took screenshot from another bar in va
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