Hard Rock Hotel & Casino / Ocean Resort Casino Atlantic City
1 - I'm going to AC tomorrow for the weekend. I'll have more comments afterwards.
2 - Not just here, but several podcasts and other social media outlets have talked about the long lines to get a player's card. That surprises me, particularly for Ocean. Player's cards were one of the few things Revel got right. I was at Revel the second day they were open. When you got off the escalator to heaven, there was a small army of player's club attendants with hand-held scanners and fanny packs full of blank player cards. Give them your Driver License and they scanned the bar code on the back, then swiped a player card and handed you both. I think they may have asked for some additional info like a phone number or email address. The entire transaction took about 2 minutes. OK, the card didn't have your name printed on it, but who cares? It only took 2 minutes.
3 - I really wonder if ACY would even still exist if it weren't for the FAA’s interest in it.
4 - I wonder how much cleaning up and improving the look of AC will help. I mean, I really think that ship has sailed. The writing was on the wall YEARS ago when Foxwoods first opened. AC did nothing. NJ didn't do anything either. It was only a few years ago that they finally expanded the Garden State Parkway so that the entire trip from the state line to AC was at least 3 lanes wide. Sorry, but too little, too late.
Quote: ac36Anyone know if the Hard Rock pool is open and whether or not it's indoor or outdoor? there seems to be some contradicting information online. And also, are children under 21 allowed? Thinking of bringing my niece and nephew.
The pool at the Hard Rock is open. It’s located on the 3rd floor of the South Tower. Children accompanied by an adult are permitted. There are special adult swim hours (I believe the first and last hour that the pool is open.)
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1 - I'm going to AC tomorrow for the weekend. I'll have more comments afterwards.
Have a great trip and best of luck. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts upon your return.
Quote: Jmarch79Haven't heard that, but that sounds fair.
That equates to a theo of around $2,800 which isn't bad.
9/6 Jacks or Better = .5% HE
$2800 in theo loss by sept to maintain Tier matched black for Ocean:
2800/.005 = $560k coin-in?!?!?!?!?!?!
so slot players should goto casinos that offer points based on theo loss (Ocean, Trop) and vp players should avoid?
Quote: DJTeddyBearOK. I finally read this entire thread. Just a couple comments:
1 - I'm going to AC tomorrow for the weekend. I'll have more comments afterwards.
2 - Not just here, but several podcasts and other social media outlets have talked about the long lines to get a player's card. That surprises me, particularly for Ocean. Player's cards were one of the few things Revel got right. I was at Revel the second day they were open. When you got off the escalator to heaven, there was a small army of player's club attendants with hand-held scanners and fanny packs full of blank player cards. Give them your Driver License and they scanned the bar code on the back, then swiped a player card and handed you both. I think they may have asked for some additional info like a phone number or email address. The entire transaction took about 2 minutes. OK, the card didn't have your name printed on it, but who cares? It only took 2 minutes.
3 - I really wonder if ACY would even still exist if it weren't for the FAA’s interest in it.
4 - I wonder how much cleaning up and improving the look of AC will help. I mean, I really think that ship has sailed. The writing was on the wall YEARS ago when Foxwoods first opened. AC did nothing. NJ didn't do anything either. It was only a few years ago that they finally expanded the Garden State Parkway so that the entire trip from the state line to AC was at least 3 lanes wide. Sorry, but too little, too late.
They have those people but they cant tier Match. Everyone you listen to on podcasts, or who call podcasts, or who post on Facebook are doing tier matches. You have to go to the actual desk to tier match
Quote: Jmarch79The pool at the Hard Rock is open. It’s located on the 3rd floor of the South Tower. Children accompanied by an adult are permitted. There are special adult swim hours (I believe the first and last hour that the pool is open.)
Any word on if that's indoor or outdoor? Their website states outdoor, others have suggested it's actually indoor.
Also, do you know if the "Grand Opening Wild Card Tier Match" which includes complimentary nights must be redeemed before September 3 (the expiration of the offer) or do you just need to match by then?
Quote: GWAEThey have those people but they cant tier Match. Everyone you listen to on podcasts, or who call podcasts, or who post on Facebook are doing tier matches. You have to go to the actual desk to tier match
Actually - I haven't seen those people at all. Pit bosses couldn't do cards originally, they finally can.
I played at the tampa hard rock back in march and as a result was given a comped room, $100 fp and $75 comp dollars at hard rock ac. It was good from opening till summers end. The florida card was no good here as stated but clearly there is some automated linking of info
The interiors have been completely redone. The general shape of the interior isbof course the same. They did an excellent job
Only one restaurant an expensive steak house first floor rear appears untouched
Panda express is now a generic asian food outlet thats pretty similar. The burger joint is now serving burgers and pancakes (i think its called burgers n hops)
Long lines at ocean resorts vs hard rock - big difference
Both had long lines. Ocean took about 45 minutes to get signed up. Hard rock about 5 minutes. Thats because they installed signup kiosks. First time i have seen that. A rep checks your id at the entrance to a split in the line. Those doing tier match see a live person. Everyone else just goes to a machine inserts their id types the pertinent info and has their players card autoprinted. Welcome to the 21st century
Downloading fp is the same system as golden nugget ac if you are familiar with their prompts
One peeve. There seems no points system. You earn comp dollars as you go AND the only way to check how much you have is at the kiosk. No one seemed to know how much play was required to get to next card level. Some amount of comp dollars earned but thats a mystery on my end at least
IIRC Westgate had/ has players card printing kiosks(?)Quote: darkozA few observations about my own trip last week
I played at the tampa hard rock back in march and as a result was given a comped room, $100 fp and $75 comp dollars at hard rock ac. It was good from opening till summers end. The florida card was no good here as stated but clearly there is some automated linking of info
The interiors have been completely redone. The general shape of the interior isbof course the same. They did an excellent job
Only one restaurant an expensive steak house first floor rear appears untouched
Panda express is now a generic asian food outlet thats pretty similar. The burger joint is now serving burgers and pancakes (i think its called burgers n hops)
Long lines at ocean resorts vs hard rock - big difference
Both had long lines. Ocean took about 45 minutes to get signed up. Hard rock about 5 minutes. Thats because they installed signup kiosks. First time i have seen that. A rep checks your id at the entrance to a split in the line. Those doing tier match see a live person. Everyone else just goes to a machine inserts their id types the pertinent info and has their players card autoprinted. Welcome to the 21st century
Downloading fp is the same system as golden nugget ac if you are familiar with their prompts
One peeve. There seems no points system. You earn comp dollars as you go AND the only way to check how much you have is at the kiosk. No one seemed to know how much play was required to get to next card level. Some amount of comp dollars earned but thats a mystery on my end at least
Quote: ac36Any word on if that's indoor or outdoor? Their website states outdoor, others have suggested it's actually indoor.
Also, do you know if the "Grand Opening Wild Card Tier Match" which includes complimentary nights must be redeemed before September 3 (the expiration of the offer) or do you just need to match by then?
You just need to match by then.
Quote: darkoz
Long lines at ocean resorts vs hard rock - big difference
Both had long lines. Ocean took about 45 minutes to get signed up. Hard rock about 5 minutes. Thats because they installed signup kiosks. First time i have seen that. A rep checks your id at the entrance to a split in the line. Those doing tier match see a live person. Everyone else just goes to a machine inserts their id types the pertinent info and has their players card autoprinted. Welcome to the 21st century
One peeve. There seems no points system. You earn comp dollars as you go AND the only way to check how much you have is at the kiosk. No one seemed to know how much play was required to get to next card level. Some amount of comp dollars earned but thats a mystery on my end at least
I did both matches between 9 and 10 on a Tuesday night. The only reason the HR match was longer was because of being put in the system wrong when I signed up online. Otherwise I would say the time was equal, with two or three people in line ahead of me, and someone at each terminal. Funny that I walked out of Hard Rock and got in line with some of the same people at Ocean.
They do comp dollars like Borgata did. Not a fan of it, but it is what it is. At Hard Rock, you need $250 in comp dollars to reach Elite and $1000 to reach Rock Royalty. Borgata had the same structure with $1000 needed to reach the "top" level, just with no advertised middle tier.
One thing I do like with Ocean is that they issue you a trip report about a week after you visit. Nice to get even mid-week comp room offers almost immediately. Still haven't booked my promo rooms yet. If you haven't heard, they stopped honoring tier match rooms for Saturdays, and rolled back Fridays yesterday.
Quote: darkozLong lines at ocean resorts vs hard rock ... Both had long lines.
Hmmm... But, what about "long lines" at Caesars properties? For all the reasons many WoV members curse their treatment by Caesars -- plus some gripes of my own -- I generally do not patronize Caesars properties.
However, that didn't stop Caesars from sending me an email offer of its "Semi-Annual Sale" on hotel rooms, highlighting Atlantic City properties at the top of the list:
- Bally's Atlantic City - $34
- Caesars Atlantic City - $39
- Harrah's Resort Atlantic City - $34
Each offer also included a (undisclosed) "food & drink credit," whatever that might amount to. In addition, the email showed "discounted" room offers for fifteen other Caesars properties, with only Harrah's Laughlin showing a lower promo price at $25. None of the non-AC offers mentioned a food & drink credit.
Seems to suggest to me that nobody wants to visit Caesars properties in Atlantic City. Can't imagine why, except maybe new competition has some good games with reasonable rules. Just maybe.
Tier matched rock royalty to get black.
9/6 JoB is $10 for a point.
I have 100 points and 205 tier credits, so each point is 2.05tc?
There's supposed to be a 3x point multiplier till end of Sept?
Is that already factored in?
Edit:
The kiosk said I need 3000 tier credits to the next level.
I thought that's all I needed to keep black.
But Now that I think about it, it might be to reach gold since gold is 3000 tier credits.
Oh man... have to earn 75k tier credits by Sept 30 to maintain black?
At $10 coin in for 2tc for 9/6 JoB, that's $375k coin in?!? (And that probably factors in the 3x multiplier.)
Quote: 100xOddsJust visited ocean
9/6 JoB is $10 for a point.
I have 100 points and 205 tier credits, so each point is 2.05?
There's supposed to be a 3x point multiplier till end of Sept?
Is that already factored in?
To keep black tier, I need 3000 points, I think?
So $30k coin in?
Interesting
I noted slots was $3 per point which seemed a really weird number. More likely slots are $1 per point and the multiplier was on
i edited my post. (See above)Quote: darkozInteresting
I noted slots was $3 per point which seemed a really weird number. More likely slots are $1 per point and the multiplier was on
Also, if it's $3 per point and the 3x multiplier is on, then it should be $9 per point without the multiplier.
Quote: 100xOddsi edited my post. (See above)
Also, if it's $3 per point and the 3x multiplier is on, then it should be $9 per point without the multiplier.
Whoops
Yes thats correct
Which leaves me back with a weird number for slot points. $9 per point seems even more off than $3 per point (which I have seen one other place although not in AC. Never seen a casino offer $9 per point on slots)
EDIT: The weirdest I have ever seen is one casino that gives $76 per point on slots. Even the staff said they had no idea where that number came from
Not including any multipliers: $1 in theo = 3 tier credits.
Quote: Jmarch79It is still my understanding that tier points at Ocean are based on theoretical loss.
Not including any multipliers: $1 in theo = 3 tier credits.
The slots have a real-time points reader (that is the points climb as you go without having to pull your players card out and re-insert)
Every $3 wagered earned me a point when I was there
Thats not theo
Some casinos (like total rewards) have two different points schemes. Is a tier credit different from a point at ocean resorts?
ocean has same 2 different point schemes.Quote: darkozThe slots have a real-time points reader (that is the points climb as you go without having to pull your players card out and re-insert)
Every $3 wagered earned me a point when I was there
Thats not theo
Some casinos (like total rewards) have two different points schemes. Is a tier credit different from a point at ocean resorts?
you said $3 coin-in = 1 point.
1 point = how many tier credits?
for me at 9/6 JoB, $10 coin-in = 1 point = 2 tc
Quote: Jmarch79It is still my understanding that tier points at Ocean are based on theoretical loss.
Not including any multipliers: $1 in theo = 3 tier credits.
at 9/6 JoB, $10 coin-in = 1 point = 2 tc (including 3x multiplier)
thus $15 coin-in = 3 tc with 3x.
so that must mean the computer thinks $15 coin-in = $1 in theo with 3x multiplier.
w/o the multiplier, then it's $45 coin-in = $1 theo in 9/6 JoB.
sidenote:
JoB has .5% house edge.
$45 x .5% = 22.5 cents theo, so I guess the computer is programmed $45 coin-in = $1 theo for ALL vp???
anyway, $5 coin-in = 1 tc with 3x.
I need 75k tc to maintain black.
$5 x 75k = $375k coin-in!!!!!!!!!
so when the multiplier expires at the end of sept, it will normally take $1.125M coin-in to reach black on 9/6 JoB!?!
How's my math?
Quote: 100xOddsat 9/6 JoB, $10 coin-in = 1 point = 2 tc (including 3x multiplier)
thus $15 coin-in = 3 tc with 3x.
so that must mean the computer thinks $15 coin-in = $1 in theo with 3x multiplier.
w/o the multiplier, then it's $45 coin-in = $1 theo in 9/6 JoB.
sidenote:
JoB has .5% house edge.
$45 x .5% = 22.5 cents theo, so I guess the computer is programmed $45 coin-in = $1 theo for ALL vp???
anyway, $5 coin-in = 1 tc with 3x.
I need 75k tc to maintain black.
$5 x 75k = $375k coin-in!!!!!!!!!
so when the multiplier expires at the end of sept, it will normally take $1.125M coin-in to reach black on 9/6 JoB!?!
How's my math?
My experience is the computer theo does not change with the multipliers in casino systems
Ex. Lets say you knew you needed 1000 points normally but there was a 3x multiplier. You would now need 3000 points for the same theo
Ie you would earn 1000 3x faster but only 1/3 the theo. The points are tripled but not the theo in calculations
Hope that helps
Check your e-mail.
OM is sending people room, food and FP offers. Some offers are fairly genoirouse.
he said there will be a 6x multiplier during Labor Day weekend to help people to maintain Black.
unfortunately, even with 6x, its impossible for me to make Black in a weekend on 9/6 JoB. :(
Quote: 100xOddstalked to an OCean supervisor.
he said there will be a 6x multiplier during Labor Day weekend to help people to maintain Black.
unfortunately, even with 6x, its impossible for me to make Black in a weekend on 9/6 JoB. :(
Is your goal to get a high tier card or maximize comps
Sorry but high tier cards are for suckers imho
EDIT: Not calling you a sucker :) rather suggesting you dont fall down into that trap
I went to Ocean to tier match and got a Black Card. First problem is they butchered my name spelling on it which I didn't notice until I left. I was given 115 in free play and only turned it into 36, slots were terrible. My wife got 38 back from her 100 free play.
My wife questioned whether we really only have until September to get the 75,000 points for to maintain the black card and they said yes and think the 3x multiplier makes that feasible. I already have top status everywhere else in AC, I'm not going to drop $100,000 trying to get their card in month. And I got the other cards working the system, taking advantage of bonuses, not because I spend a lot.
The next problem is they offered us 2 free rooms each since we both got black, but when we tried to call to book, after being on hold for 45 minutes, there were literally no available comp rooms for any date in August or September. They tried to sell us a room for 79 dollars. How do they expect me to go and try to earn points when they are not even giving any free rooms out, when they clearly have availability. I then called hard rock and was able to get a Friday and Saturday night comped, no problem. I probably won't mainain rock royalty there, but at least I was able to use my free rooms, free buffets, free show tickets. For that I will actually play there, Ocean Resort seems to be every bit as bad as Revel was and will probably go out of business faster the way they are operating.
Quote: darkozMy experience is the computer theo does not change with the multipliers in casino systems
Ex. Lets say you knew you needed 1000 points normally but there was a 3x multiplier. You would now need 3000 points for the same theo
Ie: you would earn 1000 3x faster but only 1/3 the theo. The points are tripled but not the theo in calculations
Hope that helps
wait.. so basically the 3x is worthless?
and just a marketing scam???
Quote: darkozIs your goal to get a high tier card or maximize comps
Sorry but high tier cards are for suckers imho
EDIT: Not calling you a sucker :) rather suggesting you dont fall down into that trap
im Diamond at CET.
I got the minimum 25k tc and probably wont play anymore this year.
that's good for:
-free access to food in lounges
-resort fees waived
I was hoping to maintain Ocean black because they also waive resort fees.
neither Borgata nor HARD rock waives resort fees no matter what tier level :(
and now that you've peaked my curiosity, this is how I maximize comps:
play a lot on 1 day.
ie: minimum 500 tc ($5000 coin in) at CET to get 125 tc bonus
no idea what 'ALOT' is at other casinos so I just play till im tired.
any other suggestions?
Quote: 100xOddsim Diamond at CET.
I got the minimum 25k tc and probably wont play anymore this year.
that's good for:
-free access to food in lounges
-resort fees waived
I was hoping to maintain Ocean black because they also waive resort fees.
neither Borgata nor HARD rock waives resort fees no matter what tier level :(
and now that you've peaked my curiosity, this is how I maximize comps:
play a lot on 1 day.
ie: minimum 500 tc at CET to get 125 tc bonus
no idea what 'ALOT' is at other casinos so I just play till im tired.
any other suggestions?
You almost there
As far as mulitpliers they do the following:
3x gets you triple points for shopping if they convert to shopping dollars. It gets you 3x faster to next card level with its perks
Most upper tier perks tho are garbage that cost the casinos almost nothing. You get to go on the line that cuts everyone else. Free valet parking. Waving resorts fees. Crap basically
Free play and other high end promotions can be earned for a lot cheaper than wasting your time getting a high tier card
I can't find a way in their website.
Link pls
Quote: 100xOddsHow do I register my ocean players card?
I can't find a way in their website.
Link pls
All i saw was registering for a new card. Not any way to check points or balances
Let me know if i missed something
I got into hard rock no problemQuote: Coach13Neither ocean or hard rock have managed to get their player card websites running yet. Amateurs.
yep, that's what I saw as wellQuote: darkozAll i saw was registering for a new card. Not any way to check points or balances
Let me know if i missed something
Quote: Jmarch79You can check your comp balances for Ocean Resort by calling 866-50OCEAN and following the instructions after choosing the option to make a reservation.
Info via Ma Bell
Im not sure if thats 21st century or 19th century!
Quote: darkozIs your goal to get a high tier card or maximize comps
Sorry but high tier cards are for suckers imho
EDIT: Not calling you a sucker :) rather suggesting you dont fall down into that trap
I don't believe high tier cards are for "suckers". C'mon, not even.. However, stretching your bankroll to achieve said status absolutely is bonkers. Not taking a match because you believe people should "earn" status is also a sucker move. I can't believe how many people actually think that way.
However, I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of these multipliers, especially comp dollars, IF you're playing your regular play. Maybe you get lucky and level up. Or maybe you're unlucky and fall back to Blue at the end of September. Now did your play generate free rooms, maybe some play or show tickets? Take it and run.
As far as the points, I can also confirm from my slot earnings that 1 point=3 tier points/(roughly) 3 comp credits.
Some real world numbers on a not so long shift. I varied my bets on all but my VP play, obviously.
Slots portion: 26 points, 79 TCs, $.76 comps
Table portion: 0 points, 276 TCs, $3.06 comps
JoB portion: 42 points, 92 TCs, $1.02 comps
thx.Quote: HarryLymeI don't believe high tier cards are for "suckers". C'mon, not even.. However, stretching your bankroll to achieve said status absolutely is bonkers. Not taking a match because you believe people should "earn" status is also a sucker move. I can't believe how many people actually think that way.
However, I see nothing wrong with taking advantage of these multipliers, especially comp dollars, IF you're playing your regular play. Maybe you get lucky and level up. Or maybe you're unlucky and fall back to Blue at the end of September. Now did your play generate free rooms, maybe some play or show tickets? Take it and run.
As far as the points, I can also confirm from my slot earnings that 1 point=3 tier points/(roughly) 3 comp credits.
Some real world numbers on a not so long shift. I varied my bets on all but my VP play, obviously.
Slots portion: 26 points, 79 TCs, $.76 comps
Table portion: 0 points, 276 TCs, $3.06 comps
JoB portion: 42 points, 92 TCs, $1.02 comps
so slots is 1 point = 3tc and vp is 1 point = 2tc.
how much coin-in per point for either one?
Come back later...
Quote: 100xOddsthx.
so slots is 1 point = 3tc and vp is 1 point = 2tc.
how much coin-in per point for either one?
The aforementioned $3 per point is pretty accurate, but I swore the meter ran a tad quicker at a couple of quarter and dollar games I played. Staying there Tuesday, so I may sample a few machines and their earnings. VP at $10 I believe is right, too, as I seem to remember the earnings were like Harrah's Philly who still has $10 per point (no 9/6 JoB, though).
Took a few people to ac who never been before.
In AC if your mail gets returned because of the wrong address you get no-mailed until the person comes down to supply up-to-date info
My people had all moved recently so they supplied their most recent address and asked for the ID listed address ignored
Ceasars n Hard Rock and Resorts International no problem
At Ocean Im shocked when they are informed supplying an address without proof different from the one listed on ur ID is illegal. Ocean insisted on only using their now defunct ID address. When we pointed out the mail would be returned they said the only way they can use a different address would be to supply a utility bill in the persons name with the new address
WTF?
Since all the other casinos changed address and have done so for years I guess they are all breaking the law...or Oceans Resort should change their name back to the Revel
EDIT: On a side note Resorts International has everyone playing free Bingo in the bus lobby. Play while you wait or maybe the greeters are bored. Not a bad idea I guess
If you have a voucher for cash all the other casinos have high redemption amounts. $2000 for total rewards i believe as well as resorts international
$3000 for tropicana
At Ocean if your voucher is over $1200 you have to see a cashier.
Seems like whoever set up their systems was reading their rules and manuals wrong.
Quote: darkoz
At Ocean Im shocked when they are informed supplying an address without proof different from the one listed on ur ID is illegal. Ocean insisted on only using their now defunct ID address. When we pointed out the mail would be returned they said the only way they can use a different address would be to supply a utility bill in the persons name with the new address
I had a problem like that when Golden Nuggett took over Trump Marina. I showed them my drivers license to change my address.
I'm staying at Hard Rock, rooms are really nice. The pool is indoors, not sure how they don't know that and have outdoor pool on their website.
I was playing the stadium style roulette, it was a 500 dollar countdown per comp dollar, so that would be $500,000 to reach rock royalty. Does anyone know the coin in countdown for slots and JoB per comp dollar at Hard Rock?
ocean- $3 coin-in per point in slots but how many tier credits per point?Quote: Coach13So I was at ocean yesterday, it was 3 dollars played for a point on slots.
I'm staying at Hard Rock, rooms are really nice. The pool is indoors, not sure how they don't know that and have outdoor pool on their website.
I was playing the stadium style roulette, it was a 500 dollar countdown per comp dollar, so that would be $500,000 to reach rock royalty. Does anyone know the coin in countdown for slots and JoB per comp dollar at Hard Rock?
Hard rock- best game I saw was 9/7 db (99.17%).
And no, don't know coin-in per comp dollar.
Didn't play it
I played video poker, slots, roulette for about 4 hours at hard Rock, was playing Max bet dollar video poker, average bet of $1 on slots, anywhere from $12-40 a spin stadium roulette, had to play through 1,500 to 2,000 and pretty much broke even and only got 6 comp dollars.
Think I'm going to be sticking with Caesar's or Nugget, I like knowing how many points im getting and how I'm getting them. Way easier to get Elite or diamond then maintaining at ocean or hard rock.
