ALERT: Rap concert at the Borgata on Monday
Quote: sodawaterThe funny part is this isn't even a "rap concert."
Lil Jon is going to be appearing at the mur.mur club. It's a dance club / "bottle service" club. It's not a concert venue and it isn't a concert.
You people come off as grumpy, ignorant, racist, and ridiculously out of touch.
The OP identified it as such, and provided no link to cross check.
Don't know who Lil Jon is, but I would assume based on what you say that he's an MC / DJ and that he'll be remixing / spinning rap.
SS,DD.
Quote: MrVThe OP identified it as such, and provided no link to cross check.
Don't know who Lil Jon is, but I would assume based on what you say that he's an MC / DJ and that he'll be remixing / spinning rap.
SS,DD.
Except it's totally different. mur.mur is a pretty small club, not a concert venue. Whatever violence you want to associate with rap concerts, it's likely from much larger events with a totally different type of crowd.
mur.mur is a dance/"bottle service" club that plays mostly EDM and caters to rich, young, good-looking people who are willing to wait on long lines, pay a large cover, and adhere to a strict dress code. It's not exactly the type of venue that produces violence.
Quote: djatcyeah let's not talk about the satanic undertones of heavy metal
Then the thread would get even farther afield.
Quote: sodawatermur.mur is a dance/"bottle service" club that plays mostly EDM and caters to rich, young, good-looking people who are willing to wait on long lines, pay a large cover, and adhere to a strict dress code. It's not exactly the type of venue that produces violence.
No, nothing to fear with EDM.
I listen to EDM: a lot.
But Lil Jon isn't EDM, he's rap.
I'll concede that were Tiesto or Chris Harris DJing, there would be no problem, except for a couple ODs on ecstasy and some dehydration.
But Lil Jon ain't likely to be spinning EDM, certainly not of the "safe" house/trance variety.
I wasn't Scurred.
Imma b signing off on my posts with the following going forward.
Skeet Skeet.
People bitchin' about results of freedom in one thread, and limits of no freedom in another.
Quote: bwJust wanted to report that I was at Borgata all day yesterday and today, very busy both days, and no sign of any troubles today as far as I could see.
No thugs, David Banners, or the Kool Aid Man?
What a relief.
Having young people listening to music that glorifies violence, drug dealing etc. probably isn't a good thing either.
Many of todays youth are without good solid role models. Some will undoubtedly emulate the lyrics they here from rap music.
As for the Lil Jon performance at Borgota it isn't so much the people who go to the club that may cause problems. It is all the star struck fans who may wish to get a glimpse of their idol that causes concern. A.C. in general has a very urbanized population that lives within walking distance from the Borgota.....
I may be wrong in my assessment and hope I am. But the A.C. community has many members who aren't exactly afraid to raise a little trouble from time to time.
This is a link to a story of a major brawl that happened at A.C. High School. So far 25 have been charged with various things.
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/press/atlantic_city/
Quote: rxwineWell, in that case rap concerts are easy to avoid. Most people here should worry about being shot by a family member, a disgruntled neighbor or employee they just fired.
Brilliant. Yeah I worry all the time about decent suburban white people who like me-not the blacks and mexicans who actually commit 90% of the murders and other violent street crimes...
http://fox13now.com/2015/03/28/question-about-michael-brown-leads-to-beating-on-st-louis-train-attack-was-caught-on-camera/
Quote:Brilliant. Yeah I worry all the time about decent suburban white people who like me-not the blacks and mexicans who actually commit 90% of the murders and other violent street crimes...
90%?
Quote: MrV90%?
Hmmm...Street crimes?
Quote: bobsimsBrilliant. Yeah I worry all the time about decent suburban white people who like me-not the blacks and mexicans who actually commit 90% of the murders and other violent street crimes...
http://fox13now.com/2015/03/28/question-about-michael-brown-leads-to-beating-on-st-louis-train-attack-was-caught-on-camera/
Part of what's wrong with this country is the snails pace of the legal system and the additional millions and millions of dollars it costs the taxpayers. When the mayor of Chicago was killed by an assassins bullet in Feb., 1933 the assassin was executed two months later. (This was the attack on a vehicle one of who's occupants was president elect FDR.)
When there's overwhelming evidence against a criminal there should be quick justice.
Quote: rdw4potusHmmm...Street crimes?
Sure: crimes against the street.
Littering, spitting, urinating on the street.
"Street crimes."
Now don't get me started on "highway robbery."
Quote: MrV90%?
Right about. The leftist NY Times has it at 97%
"97 percent of all shooting suspects in the city were black or Latino"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/nypd-report-details-crime_n_1862771.html
Quote: bobsimsRight about. The leftist NY Times has it at 97%
"97 percent of all shooting suspects in the city were black or Latino"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/nypd-report-details-crime_n_1862771.html
LOL. well, couple things. 1. demographics count. In a 97% black neighborhood, 97% of suspects being black is parity. 2. using suspects as the counting stat is perpetuating the problem. It doesn't account for the possibility that 100% of actual murderers could be white if the police were inept or, you know, racist.
Quote: bobsimsRight about. The leftist NY Times has it at 97%
"97 percent of all shooting suspects in the city were black or Latino"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/nypd-report-details-crime_n_1862771.html
Ya but even Walker, texas ranger had a black friend so let's cut 'em a little slack.
Yes but he couldn't tell anyone he wasn't racist because he had a black friend.Quote: RogerKintYa but even Walker, texas ranger had a black friend so let's cut 'em a little slack.
A white male age 35 above has more than double the chance of dying by suicide over homicide.
http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2011/LCOD_WHITEmen2011.pdf
Quote: DrawingDeadI'm picturing this event as being the sort of "rap" crowd that got their gangsta on at the Gap or at HipHopPimp'nHo-R-Us in their suburban mega-mall with daddy's American Express card, as they try to impress their bored twit counterparts by posing in their best imitation of a bad-boy stance, so they can get into the nether regions under the $1,200 ho outfits the spoiled princesses bought for the occasion. I could very well have that all wrong, but that does describe more than a few such things in Las Vegas. And then, there are also some that aren't that way.
This post is +EV
Except when folks acting out their tribal fantasies make it real.
Quote: rxwineDoubt if anyone complaining about the danger of rap concerts or getting shot at a rap concert even goes to them. That makes it a pinhead idea.
i don't agree with this statement at all, except for the fact that you won't get shot at a rap concert if you don't go to rap concert. Anyone that looks at the violent and lawless side of rap culture is entitled to their opinion.
Using your line of logic someone can't express an opinion on the Bloods and the Crips unless they are one.
Quote: Greasyjohni don't agree with this statement at all, except for the fact that you won't get shot at a rap concert if you don't go to rap concert. Anyone that looks at the violent and lawless side of rap culture is entitled to their opinion.
Using your line of logic someone can't express an opinion on the Bloods and the Crips unless they are one.
Nah, thread idea is great.
I propose the next thread be "White men with guns going on rampages. What's wrong with their culture?"
That being said, it will probably mostly be rich white frat boys there since that seems to be who listens to that type of "music" the most.
Fights may be likely not because of race, but because a lot of young drunk douche bags will be there. But, I have faith that Borgata and concert security will do a good job of quickly dealing with problematic people.
I am not a violent person, but if somebody starts a fight especially if they are a group picking on an individual I have no issue with security giving them some quick justice on the way out the door. Its a good way to discourage cowardly douche-bags from acting up.
It has nothing to do with race, and I know nothing about this "artist", but if it is like much rap, it will probably attract a mix of wannabe thugs and douche frat types who try to act tough. And this can be a bad combination.
Quote: rxwineNah, thread idea is great.
I propose the next thread be "White men with guns going on rampages. What's wrong with their culture?"
You're using one of the classical debate strategies. Instead of defending the argument directly you compare it to something else that puts your opponent on the defensive. It's a good tactic, in a way.
Suppose I said that Obama was a weak president, that he was out of his depth, that he doesn't have diplomatic poise and the equanimity that a world leader should possess, that he is given a large latitude because he is black, that he seems more like a Notre Dame basketball coach than presidential material, that he drops his Gs. Then, instead of my debate opponent defending the criticism, he says, "Yeah, Dick Nixon was a great president, huh?"
(See, now you've got me doing it.)
Yes, it's valid to compare one thing to another to put it in context, but defending the argument directly is better.
So let's not make the next thread "White men with guns go on rampage. What's wrong with their culture?" Let's, stay with the problems of black culture and make the next thread about the D. C. Sniper. Then let's do one on Colin Ferguson.
Quote: rdw4potusLOL. well, couple things. 1. demographics count. In a 97% black neighborhood, 97% of suspects being black is parity. 2. using suspects as the counting stat is perpetuating the problem. It doesn't account for the possibility that 100% of actual murderers could be white if the police were inept or, you know, racist.
NYC is not a "neighborhood" and it is mostly non-black. Are you really so delusional to think police (who in NYC are mostly non-white) are framing blacks for these killings?
Vermont is all white and averages about 8 murders a year with the loosest gun laws in the USA. Deeeetroit, with the same population is all black and averages around 450 murders a year.
Case closed.
Quote: bobsimsNYC is not a "neighborhood" and it is mostly non-black. Are you really so delusional to think police (who in NYC are mostly non-white) are framing blacks for these killings?
Vermont is all white and averages about 8 murders a year with the loosest gun laws in the USA. Deeeetroit, with the same population is all black and averages around 450 murders a year.
Case closed.
Vermont is not all white and Detroit is not all black. That's just an unnecessary and obviously incorrect statement that severely weakens your case. And, the murder rate is higher just about everywhere that population density is higher. Turns out that people have to cross each other in order to kill each other...
Quote: rdw4potusVermont is not all white and Detroit is not all black. That's just an unnecessary and obviously incorrect statement that severely weakens your case. And, the murder rate is higher just about everywhere that population density is higher. Turns out that people have to cross each other in order to kill each other...
One thing that is true is that murder rates are higher the stricter gun laws a city has. Look at Chicago and NYC, and DC.
Quote: GandlerOne thing that is true is that murder rates are higher the stricter gun laws a city has. Look at Chicago and NYC, and DC.
Sure. Then look at London, Paris, and Singapore. Still want to keep talking?
See Proxemics ie Edward T Hall "The Hidden Dimension"
Quote: GandlerOne thing that is true is that murder rates are higher the stricter gun laws a city has. Look at Chicago and NYC, and DC.
Did they already have high murder rates before they put more restrictive gun laws in place, or are you trying to say that murder rates are higher because it's more difficult for citizens to legally carry guns?
Saying that restrictive gun laws have little deterrent to crime makes sense and you have a good example there. To think restrictive gun laws makes violent crime more likely, I don't think that arguement makes sense.
That's part of what makes gun control difficult for someone who doesn't have a strong opinion difficult to pick a side, all the statistics that can be thrown out can be more reasonably be attributed to correlation rather than causation.
Quote: rdw4potusSure. Then look at London, Paris, and Singapore. Still want to keep talking?
I didn't realize America annexed London Singapore or Paris?
Quote: mcallister3200Did they already have high murder rates before they put more restrictive gun laws in place, or are you trying to say that murder rates are higher because it's more difficult for citizens to legally carry guns?
Saying that restrictive gun laws have little deterrent to crime makes sense and you have a good example there. To think restrictive gun laws makes violent crime more likely, I don't think that arguement makes sense.
That's part of what makes gun control difficult for someone who doesn't have a strong opinion difficult to pick a side, all the statistics that can be thrown out can be more reasonably be attributed to correlation rather than causation.
I am pro gun.
The more guns legally carried, the lower crimes. In Chicago, the only people who have guns are cops and gangs. Not a good scenario.
There is a reason in states with high carry and ownership rates, like Texas, street violence and murder are much lower. In Chicago it is easy to victimize anyone on the street, since unless the very rare chance they are an undercover cop, they are going to be unarmed.
Quote: Greasyjohni don't agree with this statement at all, except for the fact that you won't get shot at a rap concert if you don't go to rap concert. Anyone that looks at the violent and lawless side of rap culture is entitled to their opinion.
Using your line of logic someone can't express an opinion on the Bloods and the Crips unless they are one.
Anyone can express an opinion that the management let's fly. Why would you ask me for your right to start or continue a discussion. You knew the answer.
This thread was started not as a discussion of rap and violence. Looks more like a warning with a predetermined conclusion.
And it's lame if you can't figure out how to avoid rap concerts. LAME.
I'm reacting to it just like anyone else.
Quote: ncfatcatYeah but putting the same amount of people in Vermont in an area the size of Detroit would lead to more antisocial behavior.
See Proxemics ie Edward T Hall "The Hidden Dimension"
Why? Detroit has the space as its population has decreased by about 60% in the past 30-40 years
Cheese makers and producers of maple syrup, as well as ice cream, at least have productive jobs.Quote: ncfatcatYeah but putting the same amount of people in Vermont in an area the size of Detroit would lead to more antisocial behavior.
Quote: GandlerI didn't realize America annexed London Singapore or Paris?
I didn't realize your post was specific to America. You sure didn't say that. All you said was that stricter gun laws led to more murders. That sure isn't true outside of the USA - Why would that only be true in the USA?
Quote: SanchoPanzaCheese makers and producers of maple syrup, as well as ice cream, at least have productive jobs.
Did you feel 100,000 UAW members collectively give you the finger when you wrote that? :-)
Quote: rdw4potusI didn't realize your post was specific to America. You sure didn't say that. All you said was that stricter gun laws led to more murders. That sure isn't true outside of the USA - Why would that only be true in the USA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Well I am American, and not an expert on the gun laws of every country on the planet. And, I am betting you are not either, so I don't see the need to compare every country to America.
But, since you went that route,
Compare our death rate to much of South America (where in most countries guns are virtually illegal for everyone except the military in many countries). But miraculously the gangs and drug cartels still use them. Because for some reasons the gangs don't comply with guns laws and refused to turn them in.
And, that is strictly gun deaths, not murder or general violence....
And, as for Paris, I bet those cartoonists wish they had guns. It seems like the Islamic terrorists are refusing to comply with guns laws.
Strange, I thought all of this criminal and terror gangs would have complied with a government firearm mandate...
Singapore I don't know much about, other than its not a great place to live in you value freedom I have been told.... So I don't know if that is a good model for a country to strive for...
Guns prevent tyranny from the government and from criminals.
Israel is another country where citizens can carry fairly freely (its common to see people carrying "assault" weapons casually around). And, even with their terror problems and enemies, gun deaths for citizens are very low in Israel.
Quote: Gandler
Israel is another country where citizens can carry fairly freely (its common to see people carrying "assault" weapons casually around). And, even with their terror problems and enemies, gun deaths for citizens are very low in Israel.
No, that's not common. I mean, maybe you and I define "common" very very differently. And maybe "people" means the military or police in your sentence. But if you mean private citizens, then no. Not at all. And they'd be harassed non-stop by law enforcement if they tried to open carry assault weapons.
Quote: rdw4potusNo, that's not common. I mean, maybe you and I define "common" very very differently. And maybe "people" means the military or police in your sentence. But if you mean private citizens, then no. Not at all. And they'd be harassed non-stop by law enforcement if they tried to open carry assault weapons.
common compared to much of the world (except for America).
Quote: Gandlercommon compared to much of the world (except for America).
OK, yep, we're defining "common" differently. I think it means "not rare", and you're using it to mean "less rare".
Quote: Gabes22Why? Detroit has the space as its population has decreased by about 60% in the past 30-40 years
Vemont 67.16 population per square mile
Detroit 5,142 population per square mile.
Just walk down a street in Detroit. Try to make eye contact with someone.
Try it in Vermont. Big Difference.
Nothing's wrong with the world that a good pandemic won't cure.
Quote: ncfatcatVemont 67.16 population per square mile
Detroit 5,142 population per square mile.
Just walk down a street in Detroit. Try to make eye contact with someone.
Try it in Vermont. Big Difference.
Nothing's wrong with the world that a good pandemic won't cure.
Yeah, I thought that was a pretty bogus comparison, myself. Also didn't take into account the declining opportunities over the past 20 years in Detroit, compared to what's going on in Vermont. If people are not able to find good jobs within a healthy infrastructure where they live (which is available in Vermont but not in Detroit), they will turn to violence, crime, and other self-destructive living. Takes money and imagination to pick up and move where jobs are, and an education that qualifies you for them.
Quote: rdw4potusSure. Then look at London, Paris, and Singapore. Still want to keep talking?
Vienna, Milan, Budapest, Tokyo. Is it not amazing how the self-flagellating white leftists of this country do such logical contortions to publicly deny the truth that even their deluded minds know to be true?
