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Quote: FatGeezusSince I left the CZR casinos two years ago, the GN has been my 'home' casino.
Here are some of the reasons I prefer the GN.
Free parking.
No boardwalk crowds.
Easy to get to - no ocean side traffic.
Low table minimums.
Reasonable dining. (the buffet is $16.99 not $29.99)
Match play.
Senior Day specials (Tues, Wed, Thur)
Free $1 million football contest.
Free slot tournaments.
Free $10,000 Bingo contests.
These offers get people into the casino.
In addition to your above reasons, here are 2 more:
1) GN has set new standards in operational efficiency in marketing. No other AC casinos is as fast as GN, and no one can top it so far. Don't take my words for it. You can test how fast & efficient GN is. Take $1,000 and gamble in GN for a few hours. Within a week, thru your on-line-account, GN will offer your free rooms, match coupons, free buffets, and other perks.
2) GN is the only AC casino that offers the option of surrender. BJ players need not to go to PA casinos to enjoy the extra edge over casinos.
Quote: Artemis
2) GN is the only AC casino that offers the option of surrender. BJ players need not to go to PA casinos to enjoy the extra edge over casinos.
Be careful, when I discussed GN having surrender under certain conditions, I was called a liar hereon
Quote: aceofspadesBe careful, when I discussed GN having surrender under certain conditions, I was called a liar hereon
Ace, thanks for your warning. I think you're referring to the posts below:
Quote: vendman1Hey all, heading up to AC Sunday/Monday night for a birthday trip..(yes I'm old). But not old enough miss out on some free drinks and count down a couple of shoes. Anyone interested in some green chip BJ action or red chip craps play, PM me and maybe we could get together. Also happy to check on any specific game or machine situation/opportunity if anyone has a specific question. Again PM me or just put it in the thread if it's a general interest question. Happy Variance to me.
Could you check out Surrender at GN and see if it's still vetoable by other players?
Quote: GreasyjohnCould you check out Surrender at GN and see if it's still vetoable by other players?
That's high limit room only correct?
Quote: GreasyjohnCould you check out Surrender at GN and see if it's still vetoable by other players?
It is! Why do you never believe me?
When I sat down to play Friday evening with my friends at a $100minimum table, I asked for it. The floor person turned to my friends and asked if they wanted surrender or not. They said of course they did. She said she had to ask as everyone at the table must assent.
Quote: aceofspadesIt is! Why do you never believe me?
When I sat down to play Friday evening with my friends at a $100minimum table, I asked for it. The floor person turned to my friends and asked if they wanted surrender or not. They said of course they did. She said she had to ask as everyone at the table must assent.
I don't see whats so hard to believe BJ rules have been negotiated since the beginning of time.
It must, just be you Ace. :)
Even crazier is the fact they won't allow someone to surrender if they won't do it anyway.
Quote: 1BBNow if we could just get Harrah's to offer surrender on their 8 deck 6/5 games. :-)
Education is the key to eradicate bad games.(i.e., 6:5 bj) It's our interest to educate simpletons. I like to use the most simple way to explain why 6:5 bj games are bad.
Me in a Jitney: Hey, where do you guys play blackjack?
Simpletons: Harrah's.
Me: Harrah's? Do you guys know that it penalizes you whenever you get a blackjack?
Simpletons: How so?
Me: please let me explain. Whenever you get a blackjack, it penalizes $3 against you in a form of withholding, like payroll taxes. For example, if you bet $10, Borgata will pay you $15 for a blackjack. On the other hand, instead of paying you $15, Harrah's pays you only $12 for a blackjack. It keeps the $3 as if it were a blackjack-tax.
The keyword is "tax". Any simpleton will understand that tax is bad & rotten to the core.
Quote: ArtemisEducation is the key to eradicate bad games.(i.e., 6:5 bj) It's our interest to educate simpletons. I like to use the most simple way to explain why 6:5 bj games are bad.
Me in a Jitney: Hey, where do you guys play blackjack?
Simpletons: Harrah's.
Me: Harrah's? Do you guys know that it penalizes you whenever you get a blackjack?
Simpletons: How so?
Me: please let me explain. Whenever you get a blackjack, it penalizes $3 against you in a form of withholding, like payroll taxes. For example, if you bet $10, Borgata will pay you $15 for a blackjack. On the other hand, instead of paying you $15, Harrah's pays you only $12 for a blackjack. It keeps the $3 as if it were a blackjack-tax.
The keyword is "tax". Any simpleton will understand that tax is bad & rotten to the core.
LOL. Here in Vegas especially the Jersey Shore types will be like, "Hey as long I am winnin.' Also the dealers are hot and did you see the dancer? I don't care about the three dollars."
Quote: ArtemisEducation is the key to eradicate bad games.(i.e., 6:5 bj) It's our interest to educate simpletons. I like to use the most simple way to explain why 6:5 bj games are bad.
Me in a Jitney: Hey, where do you guys play blackjack?
Simpletons: Harrah's.
Me: Harrah's? Do you guys know that it penalizes you whenever you get a blackjack?
Simpletons: How so?
Me: please let me explain. Whenever you get a blackjack, it penalizes $3 against you in a form of withholding, like payroll taxes. For example, if you bet $10, Borgata will pay you $15 for a blackjack. On the other hand, instead of paying you $15, Harrah's pays you only $12 for a blackjack. It keeps the $3 as if it were a blackjack-tax.
The keyword is "tax". Any simpleton will understand that tax is bad & rotten to the core.
Nice idea, but most of the players just dont care. If I in a bad mood and want to cheer myself up, I will go up to a 6/5 game, buy in for $300 and then look at the sign or table and say something like Sorry, I didnt know they was not a real BJ table or that you dont pay all the winnings on BJ. At a miniumum it gets the other players thinking. Perhaps thinking I am a dick, but they are thinking and I wasted the PB and dealers time. Sometimes simple things like this cheer me up.
Quote: Artemis
The keyword is "tax". Any simpleton will understand that tax is bad & rotten to the core.
Actually, half of the country (well a little less than half in last weeks elections) does not and will not understand this.
Quote: bobsimsActually, half of the country (well a little less than half in last weeks elections) does not and will not understand this.
Those were the folks who, like Rick Perry, thought it would be a good idea to spend more on defense even though we're no longer fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Quote: rdw4potusThose were the folks who, like Rick Perry, thought it would be a good idea to spend more on defense even though we're no longer fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Actually 6 years plus after the election of your now discredited Hero we are STILL "fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan" and the military industrial complex is bigger than ever.
Quite a legacy. Oh and Bush sucked too. That doesn't make this useless, failed dipshit any better. More government, more regulation, more taxes, more war, more welfare, more illegals: a sure recipe for economic revival. If you're a brain-damaged leftist nutjob.
+10^10000000000000000000000000000000Quote: bobsims
Quite a legacy. Oh and Bush sucked too. That doesn't make this useless, failed dipshit any better. More government, more regulation, more taxes, more war, more welfare, more illegals: a sure recipe for economic revival. If you're a brain-damaged leftist nutjob.
Quote: chickenman+10^10000000000000000000000000000000
Just wait for 12 million immigrants to be eligible for all manner of social services.
Speaking of social services remember Obamas dear Auntie? She made no bones about collecting free stuff from the taxpayers, You would think Obama as a millionaire would help out. But he didn't because he saw nothing wrong with an illegal sucking the public coffers dry.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSavIWCJiUo
Quote: ArtemisIn addition to your above reasons, here are 2 more:
1) GN has set new standards in operational efficiency in marketing. No other AC casinos is as fast as GN, and no one can top it so far. Don't take my words for it. You can test how fast & efficient GN is. Take $1,000 and gamble in GN for a few hours. Within a week, thru your on-line-account, GN will offer your free rooms, match coupons, free buffets, and other perks.
2) GN is the only AC casino that offers the option of surrender. BJ players need not to go to PA casinos to enjoy the extra edge over casinos.
Anbody know how generous the GN is with slot cash ?
I recently heard a couple of mid to hi Diamond players saying it's many times better vs. CET - true?
"Ruela's logged on to HarrahsCasino.com on Nov. 6, and "spun her way to New Jersey’s largest online jackpot — $1,334,641.22 — when the randomly awarded payout hit after her 15-line bet cracked open the Genie’s Treasure Chest," according to a statement from HarrahsCasino.com.The jackpot was the first seven-figure online prize in New Jersey, and the third-largest prize won by a gambler in New Jersey overall, including in-person gamers, according to Harrah's.
"I didn't know if I won $1 million or $1,000," Ruella wrote to NJ Advance Media in a conversation that took place the way her big win did — online. "Only when I called the rep and confirmed the winning was I reassured."
http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2014/11/nj_woman_who_won_13m_at_online_slots_im_not_much_of_a_gambler.html
Quote: 7star4now"NJ woman who won $1.3M at online slots: 'I'm not much of a gambler'" (Now she will be)
"Ruela's logged on to HarrahsCasino.com on Nov. 6, and "spun her way to New Jersey’s largest online jackpot — $1,334,641.22 — when the randomly awarded payout hit after her 15-line bet cracked open the Genie’s Treasure Chest," according to a statement from HarrahsCasino.com.The jackpot was the first seven-figure online prize in New Jersey, and the third-largest prize won by a gambler in New Jersey overall, including in-person gamers, according to Harrah's.
"I didn't know if I won $1 million or $1,000," Ruella wrote to NJ Advance Media in a conversation that took place the way her big win did — online. "Only when I called the rep and confirmed the winning was I reassured."
http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2014/11/nj_woman_who_won_13m_at_online_slots_im_not_much_of_a_gambler.html
This is why we need legal online casinos in every state. The games are generally assumed to be fair, you will get paid if you win and it takes all the shady foreign cash dealings out of the mix. I never will understand why our government is opposed to it.
Just curious - anybody know if they disclose the payback % for these sites?
I believe credits are earned at the same rate as the brick & mortar casinos, but no bonus credits, and I haven't heard of any multipliers.
I've also received comped room and food offers from online play....no million dollar jackpots but did hit a royal on .25 9/6 JOB over the summer.
Quote: coachbellyYour can link your Total Rewards account to all of the CET online casinos to earn tier credits and reward credits.
I believe credits are earned at the same rate as the brick & mortar casinos, but no bonus credits, and I haven't heard of any multipliers.
I've also received comped room and food offers from online play....no million dollar jackpots but did hit a royal on .25 9/6 JOB over the summer.
Tx - I think I worded it badly.
I meant it more like , say when I gamble in person, over a peak summer weekend, I feel if I like if I lose,the first $2k or so is free -vs paying for for rooms food drinks shows etc- or paying for a summer shore rental & worrying about being a host, groceries, utilities, cleaning etc.
I've stayed with friends at summer rentals in the Hamptons . I pitch in to help with housework, - It seems like they pay a fortune & become hotel operators/maids booking different friend & family each weekend to have people to hang out with & entertain. Even there, nitelife can get monotonous & boring with no casinos.
When you walk in person to a casino on a peak night -there's an excitement & element of surprise - when you gamble the same $ you would have spent anyway, every night is different.
Visiting the same restaurants in the Hamptons, over & over again, doesn't do it for me.
I realize online I can get future comps, but I have what I need - can only sleep in 1 room per nite & eat & drink so much.
Q Do casinos "flip a switch" to make their slot machines pay more? Do casinos "reprogram" their machines to pay out more jackpots at certain time of the day or on certain days of the week?
A No casinos do not. Here’s why:
The heart of a modern slot machine is a computer device called a Random Number Generator, or RNG. The RNG randomly selects numbers in a particular range, usually zero to a few billion. Each number in the range corresponds to a unique combination of symbols on the slot’s reels. The RNG never stops working. Every millisecond a new number is selected, one after another...
So, the RNG controls the frequency of jackpots. A casino can purchase a machine with an RNG that is loose, tight, or anywhere in between, but once the RNG is set, then it's tough for a casino to change. Why? Because each machine is tested, approved, and certified to pay a particular way by a gaming commission or other regulatory authority...
Every RNG in Atlantic City is individually certified and sealed by New Jersey’s Division of Gaming Enforcement. A casino CANNOT change a machine's payback unless the casino does the following...
The casino makes an application to the DGE.The machine is opened under DGE supervision.The DGE breaks the processor's seal and supervises the program/chip replacement.The DGE creates a new seal, and re-certifies the machine.The Division of Gaming Enforcement maintains a database of every slot machine in the state of New Jersey. The specific payback percentage of every machine is part of that database. Every RNG is numbered and tracked.The above procedures are typical for most regulatory agencies throughout the U.S.
If a casino wants looser (or tighter) slots... then it must pull the old machines and replace them with new/alternate machines that have also been certified. That's why it's a good idea to track loose machines by numbers. You can quickly identify them if they're moved."
http://www.smarterbet.com/switches.html
Casino Revenue Year 2013
$257,081,000 Taj Mahal
$121,124,000 Golden Nugget
September 2014
$55,331,231 Borgata
$32,279,286 Harrah's
$30,240,344 Caesars
$23,591,284 Tropicana
$17,495,594 Bally's AC
$16,762,909 Trump Taj Mahal
$15,970,772 Golden Nugget
$12,246,545 Resorts
$2,459,417 Caesars Interactive NJ
$855,869 Trump Plaza
“Therefore,the debtors expect that the Taj Mahal will close on or before December 12, 2014.”
Quote: 7star4nowWas in AC Sunday for CET 10x multiplier, I am always surprised by players who have played there as long as I, 30+ years ...& the myths they hang onto. One said to me "10x multiplier- you know they tighten the machines for that" - seems like a lot of trouble?
Q Do casinos "flip a switch" to make their slot machines pay more? Do casinos "reprogram" their machines to pay out more jackpots at certain time of the day or on certain days of the week?
A No casinos do not. Here’s why:
The heart of a modern slot machine is a computer device called a Random Number Generator, or RNG. The RNG randomly selects numbers in a particular range, usually zero to a few billion. Each number in the range corresponds to a unique combination of symbols on the slot’s reels. The RNG never stops working. Every millisecond a new number is selected, one after another...
So, the RNG controls the frequency of jackpots. A casino can purchase a machine with an RNG that is loose, tight, or anywhere in between, but once the RNG is set, then it's tough for a casino to change. Why? Because each machine is tested, approved, and certified to pay a particular way by a gaming commission or other regulatory authority...
Every RNG in Atlantic City is individually certified and sealed by New Jersey’s Division of Gaming Enforcement. A casino CANNOT change a machine's payback unless the casino does the following...
The casino makes an application to the DGE.The machine is opened under DGE supervision.The DGE breaks the processor's seal and supervises the program/chip replacement.The DGE creates a new seal, and re-certifies the machine.The Division of Gaming Enforcement maintains a database of every slot machine in the state of New Jersey. The specific payback percentage of every machine is part of that database. Every RNG is numbered and tracked.The above procedures are typical for most regulatory agencies throughout the U.S.
If a casino wants looser (or tighter) slots... then it must pull the old machines and replace them with new/alternate machines that have also been certified. That's why it's a good idea to track loose machines by numbers. You can quickly identify them if they're moved."
http://www.smarterbet.com/switches.html
That article is from 2006. Modern machines have variable RNGs that are controlled through a network.
Generally speaking, casinos still don't monkey with the paybacks. But it's a lot easier than it was 10 years ago.
Quote: MoscaThat article is from 2006. Modern machines have variable RNGs that are controlled through a network.
Generally speaking, casinos still don't monkey with the paybacks. But it's a lot easier than it was 10 years ago.
Are you speaking about "server- based" machines or do all new electronic machines now have variable RNGs in AC?
Can the payback on a non-server modern machine be changed without opening the machine?
I myself tend to play the same older machines I've played over a decade - don't care for the new ones.
The only "server- based" AC machines I've heard were the 100 in Revel - although it's likely more came in under the radar by now.
I remember reading "server- based" AC machines were subject to same DGE prior notification requirements, but obviously a hell of a lot easier- as you point out.
March 2012- "Revel resort opens April 2 in Atlantic City, visitors will have the opportunity to play server-based slot machines that can change themes instantly, something that has never been available before.... if a casino wants to lower the payback percentages on any machines. However, if the casino wants to raise the payback percentages on machines, no prior notice is required.
Revel will begin with 100 of the server-based machines out of a total 2,400 slots."
http://www.americancasinoguide.com/casino-news/revel-casino-in-atlantic-city-to-offer-some-server-based-gaming-machines.html
I agree with you that it doesn't matter much, they still don't change them often, if at all. Except Mrs and I both think that Mohegan Pocono messes with theirs. On Veterans Day they were paying like crazy, and everyone was remarking about it. On New Years Eve they are always screwed down tight like hatches on a submarine. They've paid fines for having machines that paid less than state minimum, which I think is 89%.
Edited to add: I knew that 89% number from somewhere: it's what the machines actually pay out. State law mandates 85% minimum. State average is 89.9%. Nevada averages 93.5%, New Jersey averages 91.1%.
Source: Pennsylvania slot machines pay less than most other states
However, as I posted before, I consider the free rooms & amenities a big part of the payback for us.
Also, I've played the NY server based machines & they just don't seem to play the same to me.
I know it's all random, but I raise my bet on streaks on the old machines - & I've survived pretty well doing that > 30yrs.
Quote: 7star4nowNew York (Resorts World is 20 mins from me) pays 93.4, which makes me feel really stupid playing NJ 91.1 (3+hrs).
However, as I posted before, I consider the free rooms & amenities a big part of the payback for us.
Also, I've played the server based machines & they just don't seem to play the same to me.
I know it's all random, but I raise my bet on streaks on the old machines - & I've survived pretty well doing that > 30yrs.
Congrats for surviving the slots for over 3 decades! I also met another slots-Pro "Zharon", the Queen of Slots in AC, who quit BJ decades ago because of the "bet-restrictions" imposed against her by the managements.
Quote: vendman1Hey all, heading up to AC Sunday/Monday night for a birthday trip..(yes I'm old). But not old enough miss out on some free drinks and count down a couple of shoes. Anyone interested in some green chip BJ action or red chip craps play, PM me and maybe we could get together. Also happy to check on any specific game or machine situation/opportunity if anyone has a specific question. Again PM me or just put it in the thread if it's a general interest question. Happy Variance to me.
Vendman#1: Happy B'day & happy variance to the Birthday boy!
You've been MIA for a few days. Have you ever made it to AC safely?
Quote: 7star4nowNew York (Resorts World is 20 mins from me) pays 93.4, which makes me feel really stupid playing NJ 91.1 (3+hrs).
However, as I posted before, I consider the free rooms & amenities a big part of the payback for us.
Also, I've played the NY server based machines & they just don't seem to play the same to me.
I know it's all random, but I raise my bet on streaks on the old machines - & I've survived pretty well doing that > 30yrs.
You realize Resorts World machines are not RNG's but rather VLT's
Quote: aceofspadesYou realize Resorts World machines are not RNG's but rather VLT's
Yes, & it occurs to me why it may NOT be so stupid after all for me to play in NJ.
I mainly play hi limit slots - which statistically payback better than the 93.4% NY rate.
Now I feel better
For selfish reasons i'm not for the government regulation of online gambling. At least not how I imagine them running it.Quote: BozThis is why we need legal online casinos in every state. The games are generally assumed to be fair, you will get paid if you win and it takes all the shady foreign cash dealings out of the mix. I never will understand why our government is opposed to it.
Quote: 7star4nowYes, & it occurs to me why it may NOT be so stupid after all for me to play in NJ.
I mainly play hi limit slots - which statistically payback better than the 93.4% NY rate.
Now I feel better
Does Casino Player still give the slot payout percentages for AC? I haven't read it in years but it used to be quite interesting.
New Jersey gave up on reporting by denomination by casino. Said to be for competitive reasons since most other jurisdictions don't.Quote: 1BBDoes Casino Player still give the slot payout percentages for AC? I haven't read it in years but it used to be quite interesting.
http://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/docs/Financials/MGR2013/201305revenue.pdf
http://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/docs/Financials/MGR2013/201306revenue.pdf
Quote: onenickelmiracleNew Jersey gave up on reporting by denomination by casino. Said to be for competitive reasons since most other jurisdictions don't.
That's funny because Casino Player, containing the detailed stats, used to be given away free in your room by casinos.
Pre-internet, it actually had a reassuring pro-gambling msg for me ....
-casinos are on the up& up- since every penny gambled in AC was accounted for in detail
-the payback % -while not great -was at least higher than the minimum
-better odds if you bet more per pull on slots
all seemed inclined, to make one comfortable, to bet more in AC?
I wonder if the proliferation & popularity of penny gadget machines, with their frequent partial paybacks of your full bet (which I think mesmerize players & distort their perception of payback) was the cause. They didn't want us to see how lousy penny machines pay?
Quote: onenickelmiracleNew Jersey gave up on reporting by denomination by casino. Said to be for competitive reasons since most other jurisdictions don't.
True. NJ DGE provides only the lump-sum-reports monthly in 2014. To make "investors" happy, fortunately, NJ DGE still provides the detailed win info on slots & table games once a year. For the year of 2014, we need to wait a while in 2015 to read the reports. Meanwhile here are the 2013's:
Hey... Rumors had it that Tropicana was easier to beat by card counters because it has weaknesses in its manual shuffles (i.e., shuffles were trackable, or cards were exposed). Were rumors true or not, guys? Hmmm... take a look its bj win%. It's the smallest % among all AC casinos (i.e., 9.2% vs 15.3%).
Quote: ArtemisTrue. NJ DGE provides only the lump-sum-reports monthly in 2014. To make "investors" happy, fortunately, NJ DGE still provides the detailed win info on slots & table games once a year. For the year of 2014, we need to wait a while in 2015 to read the reports. Meanwhile here are the 2013's:
Hey... Rumors had it that Tropicana was easier to beat by card counters because it has weaknesses in its manual shuffles (i.e., shuffles were trackable, or cards were exposed). Were rumors true or not, guys? Hmmm... take a look its bj win%. It's the smallest % among all AC casinos (i.e., 9.2% vs 15.3%).
appreciate the info-tx- look at RV & Harrahs on the $5 denom- small sample size -but that confirms my experience- they are Outliers
Quote: ArtemisVendman#1: Happy B'day & happy variance to the Birthday boy!
You've been MIA for a few days. Have you ever made it to AC safely?
Thanks for the good wishes. This might have been my worst AC trip ever. Was staying at Caesars for the first time in a while. I must have been being punished or something. Got an awful room with malfunctioning heat/ac. They switched my room only reluctantly after two unsuccessful attempts at repair. Then the wife and kid got sick and I spent most of my time there taking care of them. Only played a little, and that didn't go well at all.
I did manage to stop by the GN on my way out of town. Walked right to the high limit room asked if surrender was available. The dealer who was standing around with nothing to do at 10am, said "yes if everyone at the table agrees to it, and you have to ask ahead of time". So there you go.
Why would anyone not agree is my question? Additionally I asked if surrender was available in non high limit games. She said she "didn't think so".
7Stars - Thanks for the charts
Wizard - Please consider an Atlantic City category here. 200 pages is unwieldy to go through for new visitors to this board to look for information.
Quote: ScanVendman - Thanks for the GN intell
7Stars - Thanks for the charts
Wizard - Please consider an Atlantic City category here. 200 pages is unwieldy to go through for new visitors to this board to look for information.
I second this.
Quote: JackStraw8004More bad news for AC. Philadelphia approved the last casino license for Philadelphia "Live" by the same people who own Maryland "Live". The casino will be built at the South Philadelphia stadium complex. Provided they can withstand legal challenges the casino should be ready to go in about two years.
While that is certainly not "good news" for AC I don't think it would effect the numbers there that much. There are already 3 full fledged casinos in the Philly area already, not to mention the surrounding PA area. One more probably does more to hurt the existing PA casinos more than AC. Which is why Parx, Sugarhouse etc. are fighting the new one.
Quote: vendman1Quote: ArtemisVendman#1: Happy B'day & happy variance to the Birthday boy!
You've been MIA for a few days. Have you ever made it to AC safely?
Thanks for the good wishes. This might have been my worst AC trip ever. Was staying at Caesars for the first time in a while. I must have been being punished or something. Got an awful room with malfunctioning heat/ac. They switched my room only reluctantly after two unsuccessful attempts at repair. Then the wife and kid got sick and I spent most of my time there taking care of them. Only played a little, and that didn't go well at all.
I did manage to stop by the GN on my way out of town. Walked right to the high limit room asked if surrender was available. The dealer who was standing around with nothing to do at 10am, said "yes if everyone at the table agrees to it, and you have to ask ahead of time". So there you go.
Why would anyone not agree is my question? Additionally I asked if surrender was available in non high limit games. She said she "didn't think so".
Happy belated bday!
Also, I suppose my original reports that SURRENDER is available int he GNAC high limit room (with others at the table having veto power) has now been verified by someone else than me (as apparently, I am a LYING LIAR LIAR LIAR!
Quote: aceofspades
Also, I suppose my original reports that SURRENDER is available int he GNAC high limit room (with others at the table having veto power) has now been verified by someone else than me (as apparently, I am a LYING LIAR LIAR LIAR!
Huh. I thought you were a lawyer.
Quote: 7star4nowYes, & it occurs to me why it may NOT be so stupid after all for me to play in NJ.
I mainly play hi limit slots - which statistically payback better than the 93.4% NY rate.
Now I feel better
The main reason why NY pays so well is that the state forces all slots to be 90% or higher (the highest minimum payback in the country). Of course Video Poker is worthless in NY and behaves exactly like a slot machine with no skill. Video Poker unfortunately also inflates NJ's payback percentages as well. By how much, I'm not sure.
