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7star4now
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November 23rd, 2013 at 7:57:32 AM permalink
I thought it might be good idea to start an "uncensored" Forum to general exchange info & opinions re AC.

I suggest this since what used to be the most popular AC forum site site now contains more "closed topics" than open, & the censorship has reduced the # of daily posts, from dozens to hundreds on a given day, to a handful of posts on boring PC topics.

I suspect there may be quite a few who may prefer to discuss AC without the "nanny" element which led to the demise of that board as a source of objective info.
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November 23rd, 2013 at 8:08:40 AM permalink
Investor Calls Atlantic City Paper Toxic
http://www.thedeal.com/content/restructuring/investor-calls-atlantic-city-paper-toxic.php
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November 23rd, 2013 at 9:02:28 AM permalink
Some would argue that Total Rewards was once one of the most powerful player loyalty enticements for AC players offering a multitude of AC & Vegas/other options.

Despite the overall plummet in AC revenue, Borgata continues to increase profits and, coincidentally?, maintain the integrity of its loyalty program.

Are we seeing "across the board results" of continued devaluation of AC TR benefits & The delusion that non- gaming customers (aka Revel 1.0) will still flock to AC?:

"AC casinos operating profits down 8.1 percent"

"Caesars Atlantic City was down 28 percent to $26 million;... Harrah's Resort Atlantic City was down nearly 23 percent to $32.8 million.
The Showboat Casino Hotel was down almost 20 percent to $14.5 million;, and Bally's Atlantic City was down 10.7 percent to $17 million."

"The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa continued to dominate the Atlantic City market, posting an increased operating profit of more than 37 percent, to $47.2 million for the quarter."

How does Borgata continue to succeed in AC with a far less powerful alliance than CET?

link:
AC casinos operating profits down 8.1 percent
http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/news/state/nj/ac-casinos-operating-profits-down-percent/article_d469fe03-14d7-57f1-aeca-f17013cdf262.html
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November 23rd, 2013 at 9:11:12 AM permalink
Quote: 7star4now

I thought it might be good idea to start an "uncensored" Forum to general exchange info & opinions re AC.



Management here welcomes discussion about Atlantic City. However, the censors will still be around to ensure forum rules are followed.
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November 23rd, 2013 at 9:11:53 AM permalink
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How does Borgata continue to succeed in AC with a far less powerful alliance than CET?



Oh, I don't know. Maybe by making its customers feel like they are valued. But who knows.
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November 23rd, 2013 at 9:46:01 AM permalink
While the Borgata does stand out as the best casino hotel experience to be had in AC, there are other factors at play that are spelling the demise for the CET properties.

First and foremost is their rewards program. It has degenerated so much that it's now at the point where the players are left in total confusion and frustration.

I'm a "decent-sized" player, but at CET I get "squat" in rewards points when I play there, especially when compared to the other properties that I frequent.

And don't think that doesn't matter. It does. To some extent, it always does.

And its baloney. Their stinginess in their reward program has degenerated to an absolutely ridiculous level, IMHO.
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November 23rd, 2013 at 10:14:06 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Management here welcomes discussion about Atlantic City. However, the censors will still be around to ensure forum rules are followed.



Wizard, by "censorship" I refer to "thought police" practices which took over what used to be an extremely popular AC board.

If anyone disputes this, I'd say feel free to repost the objective info I posted here , on the other board, & see how many minutes it takes to be deleted.
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November 24th, 2013 at 2:31:46 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

First and foremost is their rewards program. It has degenerated so much that it's now at the point where the players are left in total confusion and frustration.



This is true, and Tropicana has consistently sent me free (midweek) room offers for the last several years, even though I'm not even a green-chip player (except for mini-baccarat and craps odds). They actually send me a decent amount of free slot play ($30 over a weekend) and have a decent amount of dining options. Caesars might have nicer rooms, but I wouldn't know because I'm not going to pay when I can get a room for free.

A great example of TR not making sense is that I played a couple hours of $50+ baccarat at Caesars Palace on a recent trip, and I got match play for the Horseshoe Cincinnati. Rather than give me free play for a casino I've actually visited or that is near me, they sent me play for a casino that is hours away...
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November 24th, 2013 at 3:23:29 PM permalink
The best place to play on east coast is Mohegan sun. They constantly improved their games and this is what AC should learn. This is what I will do with Revel. It's too hard to beat craps. It's either tables or dice, but something has to be changed, I would definitely make $5 tables, craps is about action, BJ pit looks busy some players had descent wins, but baccarat looks unimpressive. Sometimes you follow a"lucky" player, with no players around you don't feel comfortable jumping in. No Christmas decorations, closed restaurants. Secret of a success is to make place alive even with few patrons on a floor. The standards are set pretty high, Revel has to do better.
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November 24th, 2013 at 3:39:30 PM permalink
I still post on the board you talk about and agree a few control it and have posts removed they don't agree with. That board is more for tourists visiting AC and a few locals who have an agenda to promote the town. And yes, they have a shill for Revel as a leader of the board. Here the few of us who visit AC on a regular basis look for the best value for our dollar and for the most part understand the future of AC from an objective point of view. Unless there is consolidation down to 5-6 casinos, the future is not good.

But on the positive side, most of us see Revel for what it is and laugh about the future they have created for themselves because their actions toward players.

And yes, UKStages is still a tool and shill for Kevin, still believing Revel will make it as a non smoking casino. Look for him on at Caesars chasing down a security guard because someone lit a cigarette in a non smoking area.
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