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September 16th, 2021 at 6:34:03 AM permalink
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We recently hit a milestone: 1 in 500 Americans have died from COVID.

Earlier in this thread, I showed how 1 in 5 Americans has or had COVID if there are 66% more cases than reported, comprising people who were/are asymptomatic and never got tested. If that were true, that would mean an even 1% mortality rate.

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    This is where the covid deniers will cry that is a 99% survival rate so who cares.

    I saw a news segment showing many survivors whose lives were changed.

    One girl, age 13 I believe caught it. She was studying music and was thinking of a career in the orchestra. Now her lungs have been so ravaged she can't get the breath to play her instrument.

    I'm sure she will be very happy to know Covid isn't that serious since 99% of people survive. Yeah, right!
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    What's better than a slow agonizing death, breathing 3 times faster than normal trying to get enough oxygen, feeling like a band is constricting across your chest or your lungs on fire, with unrecognizable strangers with goggles and bland drape-like clothing occasionally keeping you functioning. At least until they send you into the realm of the semi-dead, where you slide into the final moments unconsciously.

    Whereas a vaccine is scary. .
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    September 16th, 2021 at 7:08:37 AM permalink
    Who needs a vaccine when you can get deworming meds at the local feed supply.
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    September 16th, 2021 at 8:16:12 AM permalink
    JFC guys.
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    September 16th, 2021 at 10:34:22 AM permalink
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    One thing to check is how many more Americans are dieing per month/year than in precious co-pandemic years.

    Well, about that, there's also the "background death rate" from COVID, people who aren't dying from COVID itself, but who are dying because they've put off medical care, hospitals full, etc. It's significant. Here are figures on Our World in Data and The Economist.
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    September 17th, 2021 at 7:40:21 AM permalink
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    Who needs a vaccine when you can get deworming meds at the local feed supply.

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    When you don't check out the data and do not know that the formula for humans is significantly different.
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    September 17th, 2021 at 9:39:56 AM permalink
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    Who needs a vaccine when you can get deworming meds at the local feed supply.

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    When you don't check out the data and do not know that the formula for humans is significantly different.
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    NIH on Ivermectin source

    "Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies.1 It is also being evaluated for its potential to reduce the rate of malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes that feed on treated humans and livestock.2 For these indications, ivermectin has been widely used and is generally well tolerated.1,3 Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA for the treatment of any viral infection.

    Proposed Mechanism of Action and Rationale for Use in Patients With COVID-19
    Reports from in vitro studies suggest that ivermectin acts by inhibiting the host importin alpha/beta-1 nuclear transport proteins, which are part of a key intracellular transport process that viruses hijack to enhance infection by suppressing the hostís antiviral response.4,5 In addition, ivermectin docking may interfere with the attachment of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike protein to the human cell membrane.6 Ivermectin is thought to be a host-directed agent, which may be the basis for its broad-spectrum activity in vitro against the viruses that cause dengue, Zika, HIV, and yellow fever.4,7-9 Despite this in vitro activity, no clinical trials have reported a clinical benefit for ivermectin in patients with these viruses. Some studies of ivermectin have also reported potential anti-inflammatory properties, which have been postulated to be beneficial in people with COVID-19.10-12

    Some observational cohorts and clinical trials have evaluated the use of ivermectin for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19. Data from some of these studies can be found in Table 2c.

    Recommendation
    There is insufficient evidence for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19."
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    My wife, who is a registered nurse, is on several social forums for nurses. Her take from these forums is that nurses across the country are using Ivermectin to treat Covid in their families and friends and are reporting to each other that it is effective. That is not the same as paying the FDA multiple hundreds of millions to conduct a multi-year study. But note that the NIH says that there is not enough information to recommend for or against using Ivermectin and has identified a mechanism that logically would inhibit Covid.

    There is additional NIH discussion and scientific information in the link provided above.
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    September 17th, 2021 at 9:49:27 AM permalink
    The internet is full of miracle cures. People who were almost dead that were saved by taking hydroxy or some other medicine. Why aren't any of these miracles occurring in the dozens of trials conducted by hospitals?
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    September 17th, 2021 at 9:58:08 AM permalink
    From ConsumerLab

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    While anecdotal evidence may suggest that ivermectin is beneficial for COVID-19, high-quality evidence from clinical trials is lacking. A meta-analysis posted as a preprint on August 21, 2021 showed that, while ivermectin appeared to reduce COVID-19-related mortality, decrease hospitalization, increase viral clearance, and improve symptoms when all identified trials were considered - including those classified as having high or some risk of bias (such as inappropriate randomization of the trial participants and lack of blinding, which can influence estimates of effects) - analysis of results from only the studies with low risk of bias showed that ivermectin is not likely to improve most of these clinical outcomes. Furthermore, the reviewers noted that the evidence of benefit of ivermectin for COVID-19 prevention was even less clear, as none of the studies could be classified as low risk of bias, and results from trials with high or some risk of bias showed that ivermectin either reduced or increased symptomatic infections among people who were exposed (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262304v1.full.pdf). [emphasis added]
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    https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/comparison-of-covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccines/
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    September 17th, 2021 at 10:02:24 AM permalink
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    My wife, who is a registered nurse, is on several social forums for nurses. Her take from these forums is that nurses across the country are using Ivermectin to treat Covid in their families and friends and are reporting to each other that it is effective. That is not the same as paying the FDA multiple hundreds of millions to conduct a multi-year study. But note that the NIH says that there is not enough information to recommend for or against using Ivermectin and has identified a mechanism that logically would inhibit Covid.



    How would you know if it is a success if you donít know if your case is going to be mild to moderate anyway? You could feel pretty sick for a few days or a week, or barely have symptoms.
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    September 17th, 2021 at 10:09:56 AM permalink
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    How would you know if it is a success if you donít know if your case is going to be mild to moderate anyway? You could feel pretty sick for a few days or a week, or barely have symptoms.

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    They aren't going by patients observation.

    There are measurable biomarkers

    Elevated interleukin-6, macrophages, IL-6, Cytokine levels.

    It's not 'Hey, how you feel today" measurements.
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