Coronavirus math
Isn't it nice knowing you'll never have to worry about it? 🚇🚎😁Quote: darkozThe cashless system requires cameras installed to capture license plates of those without EZpass.
Those stored photos feed into the main system so that after the fact toll bills can be sent to the driver.
That's a major infrastructure installation and you think they just rigged it up on the fly due to Covid-19.
Quote: darkozThe cashless system requires cameras installed to capture license plates of those without EZpass.
Those stored photos feed into the main system so that after the fact toll bills can be sent to the driver.
That's a major infrastructure installation and you think they just rigged it up on the fly due to Covid-19.
They have had such a system on the satellite roads a couple years now. You are however not listening.
They said the initial layoffs were due to the virus.
Now they said because it works well they are using just that on the mainline turnpike.
The virus sped it up. Same as it will put a few small liberal arts colleges out of their misery. Same as it is putting some retailers out of their misery.
From people to institutions, this is a virus that kills the dying.
Quote: AZDuffmanFrom people to institutions, this is a virus that kills the dying.
I just wanted to let you know that this is the most profound thing that I've read in months. Did you come up with this yourself, or did you adopt it from elsewhere?
Quote: PapaChubbyI just wanted to let you know that this is the most profound thing that I've read in months. Did you come up with this yourself, or did you adopt it from elsewhere?
Stole it from the podcast I listen to. Wish I could claim credit. I did modify the firsts part just a touch.
Quote: darkozI don't think it has anything to do with Covid-19
They did that in NYS last year.
It's the new thing.
Let's see
No more salary for toll takers ..
No more salary for cops to man the toll
No more salary for cleaners and toll gate mechanics
I see it sweeping the nation. Welcome to modern technology
It is the PERFECT use of modern technology. The main advantage I see is that I do not have to stop, or even slow down, to make it from point A to point B. And in times of heavier traffic, it saves even more time than that. And thus also saves on gas, lowers pollution in the general area, and no longer subjects toll takers to an environment of constantly breathing in deadly fumes.
I've asked this before..... Is it good to have a machine do the job of a human more efficiently and less costly? Even though there will be some newly unemployed, to me the answer is yes.
Quote: SOOPOOIt is the PERFECT use of modern technology. The main advantage I see is that I do not have to stop, or even slow down, to make it from point A to point B. And in times of heavier traffic, it saves even more time than that. And thus also saves on gas, lowers pollution in the general area, and no longer subjects toll takers to an environment of constantly breathing in deadly fumes.
I've asked this before..... Is it good to have a machine do the job of a human more efficiently and less costly? Even though there will be some newly unemployed, to me the answer is yes.
It's nothing new. Technology has been taking jobs away from someone for over 100 years.
I lost my film business to digital technology
I get the forward thinking. But jobs are lost nonetheless.
It's s catch-22 situation
Quote: AZDuffmanThey have had such a system on the satellite roads a couple years now. You are however not listening.
They said the initial layoffs were due to the virus.
Now they said because it works well they are using just that on the mainline turnpike.
The virus sped it up. Same as it will put a few small liberal arts colleges out of their misery. Same as it is putting some retailers out of their misery.
From people to institutions, this is a virus that kills the dying.
Oh well
Isn't that the argument made why AP is so dangerous? Because you can be out of work in a heartbeat due to job changes, casinos ending opportunity?
I don't know how many times EB chirped about how my AP was temporary.
Maybe he should have been chirping about toll collectors and liberal arts colleges.
Nothing is guaranteed in life or business. People need to deal with it
Quote: SOOPOO
I've asked this before..... Is it good to have a machine do the job of a human more efficiently and less costly? Even though there will be some newly unemployed, to me the answer is yes.
It is not necessarilly unemployemnt. As someone has to design the machine, manufacture the machine, and sell the machine. It is just different people being employed.
Quote: DRichIt is not necessarilly unemployemnt. As someone has to design the machine, manufacture the machine, and sell the machine. It is just different people being employed.
The new jobs don't make up numerically for the old ones.
Manufacturing toll booths? How many times before you have done them all?
Finite jobs replacing continuing jobs
Quote: DRichIt is not necessarilly unemployemnt. As someone has to design the machine, manufacture the machine, and sell the machine. It is just different people being employed.
False equivalency. If there were an EQUAL number of jobs created then the technology would NOT be used. It is BECAUSE less human jobs are needed that the technology is wanted. I'm guessing the jobs 'made' is but a percent or two of the jobs 'lost' when changing from human toll takers to machine only.
Edit.... I see Darkoz beat me to the punch....
Quote: SOOPOOFalse equivalency. If there were an EQUAL number of jobs created then the technology would NOT be used. It is BECAUSE less human jobs are needed that the technology is wanted. I'm guessing the jobs 'made' is but a percent or two of the jobs 'lost' when changing from human toll takers to machine only.
Edit.... I see Darkoz beat me to the punch....
I would agree if you are just looking at the total number of jobs, but if you look at GDP itis probably similar or growing with the technology, Hopefully it will motivate future generations to go into more skilled jobs even if that means they need more education.
Quote: DRichI would agree if you are just looking at the total number of jobs, but if you look at GDP itis probably similar or growing with the technology, Hopefully it will motivate future generations to go into more skilled jobs even if that means they need more education.
Agree of course. But a lot of this technological improvement costs jobs. No ifs, ands, or buts. But right now, at least before the pandemic, there were jobs for anyone that wanted one. You could not drive a mile without seeing multiple stores with "now hiring" signs up. Local manufacturers were PAYING for TV ads to find help.
Quote: darkozThe new jobs don't make up numerically for the old ones.
Manufacturing toll booths? How many times before you have done them all?
Finite jobs replacing continuing jobs
It is called "creative destruction." Tech makes a job obsolete over here but adds one over there. The mall near where I grew up closed. Those jobs are gone. But at the right time I can see ten plus AMZN vans lined up to leave to make that day's deliveries. I remember the old airplane plant (I think that is what it was. Bell?) closed in Niagara Falls but gets filled with many small companies, some of which may get big.
The new jobs do indeed make up. Otherwise how do we keep getting record employment?
Now, they do not appear in the same places. But that means people gotta be willing to move. Said moves can and do take generations. But this is the great thing about capitalism. New things pop up as people chase wealth.
Quote: darkozThe new jobs don't make up numerically for the old ones.
Manufacturing toll booths? How many times before you have done them all?
Finite jobs replacing continuing jobs
This is not true. The reason why people think this is because we know exactly what the jobs are that will be lost -- because those jobs already exist. There will be new jobs, but that is much harder to understand, because they don't exist.
Fixing phone screens can be a great job, sort of on the border between skilled and unskilled labor. Customers pay $100, with good margins. Wasn't that long ago when that job didn't exist.
Quote: TomGThis is not true. The reason why people think this is because we know exactly what the jobs are that will be lost -- because those jobs already exist. There will be new jobs, but that is much harder to understand, because they don't exist.
Fixing phone screens can be a great job, sort of on the border between skilled and unskilled labor. Customers pay $100, with good margins. Wasn't that long ago when that job didn't exist.
There are going to be certain markets where technology creates more jobs than it destroys.
Those most likely are ones which have direct sell to customers. Example, cell phone tech, computer tech, home entertainment tech.
But any technology that is not direct sell is going to result in more jobs lost without the replacement technology making up for it
Ex. Toll booths.
Film labs now that we primarily are digital
And now I see McDonald's even that have digital ordering so your interaction with servers is less.
I'm not against the forward movement of technology. It's going to happen and helps us make better living. But it does come at the expense of jobs.
People who have careers suddenly find themselves without one. Starting over from scratch isn't easy.
Quote: SOOPOOAgree of course. But a lot of this technological improvement costs jobs. No ifs, ands, or buts. But right now, at least before the pandemic, there were jobs for anyone that wanted one. You could not drive a mile without seeing multiple stores with "now hiring" signs up. Local manufacturers were PAYING for TV ads to find help.
Even during the pandemic anyone that wanted a job could have got one in a lot of cities. In Las Vegas, some grocery stores were hiring people on the spot and letting them work that day in March and April. Amazon was hiring everyone who applied. Instacart had work for anyone who wanted it.
Quote: darkozThere are going to be certain markets where technology creates more jobs than it destroys.
Those most likely are ones which have direct sell to customers. Example, cell phone tech, computer tech, home entertainment tech.
But any technology that is not direct sell is going to result in more jobs lost without the replacement technology making up for it
Ex. Toll booths.
Film labs now that we primarily are digital
And now I see McDonald's even that have digital ordering so your interaction with servers is less.
I'm not against the forward movement of technology. It's going to happen and helps us make better living. But it does come at the expense of jobs.
People who have careers suddenly find themselves without one. Starting over from scratch isn't easy.
This is exactly the issue. You can describe the jobs that will be lost. We cannot describe the jobs that will be created, because they don't exist yet. Go back to previous generations in our country's history and people were saying the same thing., yet it never happened.
Quote: TomGThis is exactly the issue. You can describe the jobs that will be lost. We cannot describe the jobs that will be created, because they don't exist yet. Go back to previous generations in our country's history and people were saying the same thing., yet it never happened.
Understand I agree with you.
I believe in moving forward with technology for the betterment of society even at cost of jobs.
Also understand I was on the receiving side. I owned my own company in Hollywood physically splicing motion picture negative and watched helplessly as digital destroyed that whole industry.
So I empathize highly with jobs lost to technology
Quote: darkozIt's nothing new. Technology has been taking jobs away from someone for over 100 years.
People are the same; technology is getting better though.
Quote: TomGThis is exactly the issue. You can describe the jobs that will be lost. We cannot describe the jobs that will be created, because they don't exist yet. Go back to previous generations in our country's history and people were saying the same thing., yet it never happened.
You ever see PBS "19th century house". Work consumed many of the normal hours. Not because they were workaholics. If you have more leisure time, that should be an indication that technology is making less work.
Quote: rxwineYou ever see PBS "19th century house". Work consumed many of the normal hours. Not because they were workaholics. If you have more leisure time, that should be an indication that technology is making less work.
Or that we are on lockdown in a pandemic
Quote: rxwineYou ever see PBS "19th century house". Work consumed many of the normal hours. Not because they were workaholics. If you have more leisure time, that should be an indication that technology is making less work.
My Grandmother first came to this country at 14, to work in a house in Boston. As she described it, there were two upstairs maids, a downstairs one, a cook and two kitchen helpers who prepared and served food. Two people did nothing but wash and fold clothes all day. That was Boston in 1907.
buffets too - they may never return - my opinion
Quote: lilredroosterjust read a story that said that the salad bars and hot food bars that grocery stores closed because of the virus and that I liked so much may never be coming back
buffets too - they may never return - my opinion
If they were profitable they will be back. Don't buy the hype,
Quote: lilredroosterjust read a story that said that the salad bars and hot food bars that grocery stores closed because of the virus and that I liked so much may never be coming back
buffets too - they may never return - my opinion
They will return once there is a treatment for Coronavirus
Quote: darkozThey will return once there is a treatment for Coronavirus
I find any food sitting out and accessabile to the public to be disgusting because the public is disgusting.
Quote: DRichI find any food sitting out and accessabile to the public to be disgusting because the public is disgusting.
You are thinking the food in the back is so much better?
Quote: AZDuffmanYou are thinking the food in the back is so much better?
Yes, because less people have access to it.
Quote: DRichYes, because less people have access to it.
But it is in sight. In back you have no idea.
1,488 total ICU beds, 401 of those immediately available.
It was out of sight in the back before it was in sight.Quote: AZDuffmanBut it is in sight. In back you have no idea.
Obviously, the more people the food is exposed to a better chance of it being exposed to whatever.
I don't know what that whatever is, nor do I really concern myself with it.
Edit to add: I just agree that lots of people are disgusting.
Study: Shutdowns prevented 60 milllion coronavirus cases in US
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/501607-study-shutdowns-prevented-60-milllion-coronavirus-cases-in-us
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/governors-decide-they-dont-care-about-spike-in-coronavirus-cases-reopening-will-continue/#.XuGDJT2NfXQ.twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=779&v=mSjdO2dVHeY&feature=emb_logo
Quote: ChumpChangeThe study examines the period from the emergence of the virus in January to April 6.
Study: Shutdowns prevented 60 milllion coronavirus cases in US
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/501607-study-shutdowns-prevented-60-milllion-coronavirus-cases-in-us
The shutdown moved 60 million coronavirus cases forward in time.
Quote: DeMangoThe shutdown moved 60 million coronavirus cases forward in time.
Which is the best thing possible under the circumstances. Postponing getting a virus and becoming sick of it saves many lives and time in hospital. The virus loses its potency/mutates with time, the more hosts it circles, the less deadly it becomes; plus treatment, cures and vaccines get to be developed and bettered with time, plus hospitals don't become overwhelmed (like in Italy). Shutdowns saved lives, but the irony is when it works people don't see that, they only see their lives being distracted and the contagion being less severe than expected (due to lockdowns) so they whine about shutdowns. Hilarious.
Please don't have this thread denigrate into a discussion of the rights or wrongs of government policy surrounding the tackling of the virus.
I don't want to issue suspensions under rule 19, but I can anticipate a need to.
Quote: rawtuffWhich is the best thing possible under the circumstances. Postponing getting a virus and becoming sick of it saves many lives and time in hospital. The virus loses its potency/mutates with time, the more hosts it circles, the less deadly it becomes; plus treatment, cures and vaccines get to be developed and bettered with time, plus hospitals don't become overwhelmed (like in Italy). Shutdowns saved lives, but the irony is when it works people don't see that, they only see their lives being distracted and the contagion being less severe than expected (due to lockdowns) so they whine about shutdowns. Hilarious.
People tend to complain about successes in public health interventions because it looks unnecessary if we did it right.
Can we talk more about that?Quote: rawtuffThe virus loses its potency/mutates with time, the more hosts it circles, the less deadly it becomes;
Quote: AxelWolfCan we talk more about that?
This is a novel virus meaning it's new and therefore filled with unknowns.
Many viruses will mutate and become less potent.
They can also mutate and become more potent which is what happened with the second wave of the Spanish Flu in 1918.
And AIDS virus is still deadly if you don't take the medications. Herpes virus still has no cure and still is potent.
I suggest that unless someone can cite credible mathematical evidence, that this is probably a controversial subject outside the remit of this forum.Quote: AxelWolfCan we talk more about that?
TLDR: No. Let's not do that here.
DO. Your post was simultaneous with mine, so no penalty under rule 19, this time.Quote: darkozThis is a novel virus meaning it's new and therefore filled with unknowns.
Many viruses will mutate and become less potent.
They can also mutate and become more potent which is what happened with the second wave of the Spanish Flu in 1918.
And AIDS virus is still deadly if you don't take the medications. Herpes virus still has no cure and still is potent.
But we have had point and counterpoint on the issue of whether the virus mutates for better or worse. Please take further opinion posts elsewhere, such as DT.
And I DO sympathise with anyone who has strong feelings about the virus... But this is by it's nature a controversial or even political topic which is why rule 19 was created.
Thanks.
Quote: OnceDearDO. Your post was simultaneous with mine, so no penalty under rule 19, this time.
But we have had point and counterpoint on the issue of whether the virus mutates for better or worse. Please take further opinion posts elsewhere, such as DT.
And I DO sympathise with anyone who has strong feelings about the virus... But this is by it's nature a controversial or even political topic which is why rule 19 was created.
Thanks.
I don't want to get suspended but I just don't understand how discussion of the history of any disease is by itself a political subject.
Viruses mutate! That has nothing to do with politics. That's a fact of medical science.
And questions about how this pandemic we are in may affect casinos reopening are directly related to the history of pandemic and whether this virus can mutate.
I didn't mention government or political affiliation. I am legit confused now on rule 19.
And I hope asking for clarification on this isn't enough to get suspended but it just doesn't make any sense to me
Quote: ChumpChangeJust the mention of the CDC, WHO, or Fauci is a tilt at this point. In any other political environment, this would not be an issue.
But I didn't mention those. Just the medical science that viruses mutate.
So the question of medical science is now political? Discussion of a vaccine is verbotten?
Technically I have an entire thread on a drug treatment called Leronlimab. Is that now political.
I'm not trying to be argumentative but this just seems to beg clarification. Stepping over the boundaries would be defined as not just mentioning political parties but even science, health, hell, even jay-walking could be considered a political statement.
It would mean any mention of any topic without stating the word casino is possible grounds for suspension
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