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USpapergames
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July 30th, 2020 at 4:24:09 PM permalink
Can someone help me? I just want to post my own form questions but I don't know how.
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July 30th, 2020 at 4:47:46 PM permalink
Click on the applicable sub-forum, then click new thread.
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July 31st, 2020 at 10:21:10 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

So the news reported that a previously dead person was no longer dead and you didn't find it odd or bother to get a second source?



Quote: gordonm888

I thought it was the zombie apocalypse.



Quote: billryan

200 more have died since you posted this.



Are you implying that my humorous comment (and, damn, it was funny, wasn't it?) makes me somehow responsible for the 200 covid deaths of the people in your state? My wife and I are being super-cautious about staying home, wear N-95 masks (thanks to the help of another forum member) and in no way contribute to the transmission of disease.

Look, something like 10,000 people die in the United States, on average, every day. (332,000,000 people/ 80 years per person/ 365 days per year). And in the world, maybe 200,000 people die every day. Death is part of the human condition - war, famine, disease, accidents, murder, suicide, crime, natural disasters, etc.

Ex: I think >100 people got murdered in Chicago over the past weekend. Black lives, too, and young people. There is tragedy in the world! People are dieing unnecessarily in Africa and Asia and South America from all types of causes.

I guess some people want to wring their hands and be dramatic about tragedy and make bitter angry comments to innocent people.
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July 31st, 2020 at 12:13:01 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888


Look, something like 10,000 people die in the United States, on average, every day. (332,000,000 people/ 80 years per person/ 365 days per year). And in the world, maybe 200,000 people die every day. Death is part of the human condition - war, famine, disease, accidents, murder, suicide, crime, natural disasters, etc.



"Well I was working on some words when Sarah called me up
She said that Lex had gone asleep and wasn't waking up
And even though I knew that there was nothing to be done
I felt bad for not being there and now, well, she was gone

So I tried to think what Lex would want me to do
At times like this when I was feeling blue
So I gathered up some friends to spread the sad sad news
And we headed to the City for a drink or two
And we sang

"We live to dance another day,
It's just now we have to dance for one more of us,
So stop looking so damn depressed,
And sing with all our hearts, long live the Queen"

The Queen is dead.

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billryan
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July 31st, 2020 at 12:22:03 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Are you implying that my humorous comment (and, damn, it was funny, wasn't it?) makes me somehow responsible for the 200 covid deaths of the people in your state? My wife and I are being super-cautious about staying home, wear N-95 masks (thanks to the help of another forum member) and in no way contribute to the transmission of disease.

Look, something like 10,000 people die in the United States, on average, every day. (332,000,000 people/ 80 years per person/ 365 days per year). And in the world, maybe 200,000 people die every day. Death is part of the human condition - war, famine, disease, accidents, murder, suicide, crime, natural disasters, etc.

Ex: I think >100 people got murdered in Chicago over the past weekend. Black lives, too, and young people. There is tragedy in the world! People are dieing unnecessarily in Africa and Asia and South America from all types of causes.

I guess some people want to wring their hands and be dramatic about tragedy and make bitter angry comments to innocent people.



What I am stating is the information you posted was wrong. You claimed deaths in Arizona had dropped dramatically and listed what you claimed were the total deaths for four or five days.
The information you posted was wrong, and anyone looking at it could tell it was wrong. You also claimed that deaths had peaked at 90 a day. Again, false information. Arizona has had many days with over 100 deaths this month.
A few weeks ago, you posted numbers about your home state that were patently false. When someone posted the official numbers, what was your response?
Now you claim more than 100 people got murdered in Chicago last weekend. Have a source? Google says ten people killed this weekend, eleven people last weekend.
tringlomane
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July 31st, 2020 at 1:14:02 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Geez... you focus in on the minutia.... It was a Mexican immigrant named Jesus Christo.....



The difference between >90 and -1 is minutia?
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July 31st, 2020 at 1:28:57 PM permalink
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The difference between >90 and -1 is minutia?



It's a bad flu season. It will be gone by May. June at the latest.
Joeman
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July 31st, 2020 at 2:13:55 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

The information you posted was wrong, and anyone looking at it could tell it was wrong. You also claimed that deaths had peaked at 90 a day. Again, false information.

No! As I posted previously, that number (90) was pretty much spot-on (a little high, actually). Any talk of death rates must use at least a 7-day moving average to have any meaning.

As you pointed out, the reporting of deaths is cyclical. Sunday/Monday reports are always low (because of the weekend, we can safely assume). Tuesday reports are always higher than normal. Any death rate that doesn't look at an entire week is meaningless.

And to date, the death rate did peak last week, and has dropped since. But that doesn't mean it won't top the peak tomorrow.

Worldometer for AZ
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billryan
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July 31st, 2020 at 4:13:21 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

No! As I posted previously, that number (90) was pretty much spot-on (a little high, actually). Any talk of death rates must use at least a 7-day moving average to have any meaning.

As you pointed out, the reporting of deaths is cyclical. Sunday/Monday reports are always low (because of the weekend, we can safely assume). Tuesday reports are always higher than normal. Any death rate that doesn't look at an entire week is meaningless.

And to date, the death rate did peak last week, and has dropped since. But that doesn't mean it won't top the peak tomorrow.

Worldometer for AZ



No one is talking about death rates. We are talking about deaths. To say deaths peaked at 90 would mean there were no days higher than 90.
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August 1st, 2020 at 5:09:03 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: Joeman

No! As I posted previously, that number (90) was pretty much spot-on (a little high, actually). Any talk of death rates must use at least a 7-day moving average to have any meaning.

As you pointed out, the reporting of deaths is cyclical. Sunday/Monday reports are always low (because of the weekend, we can safely assume). Tuesday reports are always higher than normal. Any death rate that doesn't look at an entire week is meaningless.

And to date, the death rate did peak last week, and has dropped since. But that doesn't mean it won't top the peak tomorrow.

Worldometer for AZ



No one is talking about death rates. We are talking about deaths.

Wha? Everyone has been talking about death rates for the last 4+ pages. Literally, every post (ironically, including your last one here) that contains a number, has referred to a rate.

A rate is defined in this context as the number of occurrences per unit time. So, every time a post includes the word 'day,' or implies some length of time, we are talking about rates.

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To say deaths peaked at 90 would mean there were no days higher than 90.

Again, no. Gordon said*:

Quote: gordonm888

In Arizona, coronavirus deaths peaked at 90/day earlier in July.

Which, except for the fact that the number is actually 83 deaths per day (see Worldometer link above), and not 90, remains true.

As I stated previously, the way Covid deaths are reported, a single day's numbers are meaningless. There were zero deaths reported in AZ on July 27. ZERO! Does this mean that the pandemic is over in Arizona? Of course not. Because single day numbers are meaningless.

The most meaningful way to interpret the data is to use a 7-day moving average. And that average has not gone above the 83 mark since it was set last week.

Emphasis mine.
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