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SanchoPanza
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July 23rd, 2020 at 11:31:19 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Unless it's something egregious (like claiming George Floyd died from Covid-19 because he did test positive) then I see very little wiggle room for hospitals to cheat. A heart attack victim with Covid-19 probably did die because the virus made him less able to survive the heart attack, etc. Now if there is some claim that hospitals are listing deaths of people who tested negative for Covid-19 just for an added payday that would be horrendous and probably criminal

There does not seem to be much control on the "wiggle room" for hospitals. They seem to be doing whatever they please with no real reviews.
SOOPOO
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July 23rd, 2020 at 11:35:35 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Killing the payroll tax does not affect SS tax. Millions disabled? Source?



Ummm... Wrong!!! The 'payroll tax' IS the social security tax! It is also called FICA, and is 6.2% paid each by employer and employee. On all income up to $137,700. The 'payroll tax break' I believe has only been applied to the employee contribution in the past. By giving another 'payroll tax break' we are just speeding up the path to Social Security insolvency. But we all know that general tax revenue will be used to keep SS afloat, as NO politician will allow it to fail under his or her watch.

As far as Chump's silly comments, I would surmise that more elderly disabled will die from COVID-19 than will be replaced by new disabled from COVID-19. And more elderly deaths removed from SS rolls will have a (very small) positive effect, as less monthly money will be paid out.
darkoz
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July 23rd, 2020 at 11:36:49 AM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

There does not seem to be much control on the "wiggle room" for hospitals. They seem to be doing whatever they please with no real reviews.



Review will come!

I really don't see hospitals doing something egregious when it can be easily caught in review.

Of course there is no accounting for human greed either.

Time will tell
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rxwine
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July 23rd, 2020 at 2:10:49 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Review will come!

I really don't see hospitals doing something egregious when it can be easily caught in review.

Of course there is no accounting for human greed either.

Time will tell



IMO, any entity engaging in serious greed or fraud, will pay a price not worth paying if they're caught, just because of what we are dealing with and such a high profile across the world.

I can't imagine the law or the public, or any amount of bribing will save them.

You'll have to be the size of a large country (like China) to survive the fallout.
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redietz
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July 23rd, 2020 at 5:34:16 PM permalink
Realistically, we'll have no idea what the long term social security consequences will be until we get to the long term. We have no idea at the moment about long term virus effects. There is no data.

The fact that people can get debilitated, then get the virus again and be debilitated further, is also ominous.
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billryan
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July 23rd, 2020 at 6:21:07 PM permalink
There are approximately 65 million people collecting regular SS. It will take a lot of dead people to move the meter very much.
rxwine
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July 23rd, 2020 at 7:17:15 PM permalink
You guys need to look on the bright side. It probably won't all end in WW3.

Probably.....?
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darkoz
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July 23rd, 2020 at 7:22:44 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

You guys need to look on the bright side. It probably won't all end in WW3.

Probably.....?



What does West World season 3 have to do with it?
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AxelWolf
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July 24th, 2020 at 6:03:59 AM permalink
People keep mentioning the low death rate is.
I'm still wondering about people who will be permanently damaged from this and even die later from other complications the virus caused.
If it doesn't kill you, but it permanently F''s you up... then that should be a factor regarding how serious it is.
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AlanMendelson
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July 24th, 2020 at 6:22:41 AM permalink
Is avoiding an average $30,000 hospital bill for Covid by taking a vaccine an advantage play?

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