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gordonm888
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July 14th, 2020 at 5:57:33 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Don't need vaccines

We need a treatment.

FDA is slow but we are close.

Leronlimab!



Why leronlimnab? What about the dirt-cheap steroid (dexamethadone?) that has already been studied to death and has been tested to have greater efficacy than any leronlimnab stockholder claims - a 30% reduction in death rate? Who needs a leronlimnab treatment that costs thousands of dollars per treatment and that doesn't move the needle within the statistical noise, - with unknown side effects?
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July 14th, 2020 at 7:30:20 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Why leronlimnab? What about the dirt-cheap steroid (dexamethadone?) that has already been studied to death and has been tested to have greater efficacy than any leronlimnab stockholder claims - a 30% reduction in death rate? Who needs a leronlimnab treatment that costs thousands of dollars per treatment and that doesn't move the needle within the statistical noise, - with unknown side effects?



Gordon that is an excellent question although a few things you said are not correct.

Dexamethasone - it is a steroid that does have side effects. One is a reduced immune system.

Reducing the immune system of people who are sick with covid is NOT a good idea.

So why did it help with the death rate?

Covid-19 has two stages. The first is where your immune system fights it off. If successful then you wind up asymptomatic or just mildly sick.

If not, then your immune system goes into a bad overdrive. It's called a "Cytokine Storm". Look it up if you have not heard about it.

Dexamethasone helps because it suppresses the immune system when it's going haywire from the Cytokine Storm. Which means it's efficacy is only when you are seriously ill and hospitalized.

So is Dexamethasone cheap? Yes. But at the expense of a huge hospital bill which will ensue because it's only to be used for severe patients.

Ask yourself why the FDA has NOT made Dexamethasone the preferred treatment method for Covid-19 when it's so cheap and we'll studied?

As to Leronlimab

Unknown side effects? It has been used by over 1000 patients with no side effects including some who took it every week for years as an HIV treatment In fact it's safety profile is so much stronger than Dexamethasone that the FDA has not required a safety trial protocol. That's already been proven.

Efficacy - that's the whole point of the current FDA clinical trials

They are doing 2 separate trials.

1) mild symptoms

2) severe/critical hospitalized

The plan is to use Leronlimab for EVERYONE.

Seriously ill? Get saved from death.

Just mildly ill? Go to hospital, get injection, go home.

A heck of a lot cheaper than Dexamethasone if you have to wait till you are hospitalized, right?

And BTW - Remdesiver. IV use only. You also have to use it only when shouldering a massive hospital stay and bill.

I hope that answered your question
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ChumpChange
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July 14th, 2020 at 8:54:01 PM permalink
People getting #COVID19 twice proves herd immunity is a hoax and the ICU awaits.
billryan
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July 14th, 2020 at 8:59:52 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Gordon that is an excellent question although a few things you said are not correct.

Dexamethasone - it is a steroid that does have side effects. One is a reduced immune system.

Reducing the immune system of people who are sick with covid is NOT a good idea.

So why did it help with the death rate?

Covid-19 has two stages. The first is where your immune system fights it off. If successful then you wind up asymptomatic or just mildly sick.

If not, then your immune system goes into a bad overdrive. It's called a "Cytokine Storm". Look it up if you have not heard about it.

Dexamethasone helps because it suppresses the immune system when it's going haywire from the Cytokine Storm. Which means it's efficacy is only when you are seriously ill and hospitalized.

So is Dexamethasone cheap? Yes. But at the expense of a huge hospital bill which will ensue because it's only to be used for severe patients.

Ask yourself why the FDA has NOT made Dexamethasone the preferred treatment method for Covid-19 when it's so cheap and we'll studied?

As to Leronlimab

Unknown side effects? It has been used by over 1000 patients with no side effects including some who took it every week for years as an HIV treatment In fact it's safety profile is so much stronger than Dexamethasone that the FDA has not required a safety trial protocol. That's already been proven.

Efficacy - that's the whole point of the current FDA clinical trials

They are doing 2 separate trials.

1) mild symptoms

2) severe/critical hospitalized

The plan is to use Leronlimab for EVERYONE.

Seriously ill? Get saved from death.

Just mildly ill? Go to hospital, get injection, go home.

A heck of a lot cheaper than Dexamethasone if you have to wait till you are hospitalized, right?

And BTW - Remdesiver. IV use only. You also have to use it only when shouldering a massive hospital stay and bill.

I hope that answered your question




This is just sad.
FleaStiff
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July 15th, 2020 at 5:17:31 AM permalink
How many inches in six feet??????
Whatever answer you gave is WRONG.
Virus Math focuses on six feet but it doesn't take a genius to figure out there is a heck of a difference between six inches and six feet.
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:49:51 AM permalink
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So, a friend of mine told me this story of two of his friends that went to get tested for Covid 19. They went to a testing site, filled out the application, and waited... and waited... and waited. Finally they gave up and left without being tested. Well, a few days later, they received their 'results' in the mail. Both of them tested POSITIVE! Makes me wonder things I can't say without getting political.

Whenever I hear a friend of a friend story, i take it with a grain of salt. Yet, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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July 15th, 2020 at 11:56:33 AM permalink
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darkoz
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July 15th, 2020 at 12:10:59 PM permalink
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SOOPOO
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July 15th, 2020 at 12:37:35 PM permalink
Looks like Remdesivir is HALVING the death rate! And Dexamethasone also helping cut it by a quarter. If Leronlimab can also turn out to be symbiotic with those two, perhaps 'triple therapy' might cut the death rate by 3/4, then that would be enough for me to consider the therapy effective enough to take greater risks at getting the virus. If I believe already the death rate for someone like myself (59, DM, generally good health) is slightly less than 1% if I get infected, then with the new treatments maybe it is .2%? So 1 in 500 chance of dying if I get it lets me go into a casino (with a mask on), lets me not care which friend's the kids allow in our house, shop at a Home Depot, touch a rake in a sand bunker, etc... I have no idea what all the drugs would end up costing after my insurance, but I'll pay it.
billryan
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July 15th, 2020 at 12:56:04 PM permalink
Why do you think your chances of dying if infected are less than one percent? Please explain how you came up with that?

You also seem to think it's either die or it's no big deal. Many people don't die but are left with scarred lungs, and the newest thing in Arizona is people getting severe blood clots which can potentially kill you or cause a stroke.

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