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rawtuff
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June 28th, 2020 at 1:48:51 AM permalink
Herd immunity for C19 seems to be too costly to achieve at the current moment or maybe even not possible at all. Lombardy, Italy, the region which was hit the worst in that country and hospitals got overwhelmed and helpless has about 50 something percent of people with antibodies, still not enough. And this virus may not build the same immune response most viruses do and antibodies may or may not work and if they work they could be very short lived (2-3 months initial studies say).

It's bad either way - keep people at home for too long and they'll suffer unbearable economic toll and we'll see riots on the streets for sure.
Start alleviating lockdowns and social distancing measures and we see spike in infection and people filling hospitals, being sick and dying en masse and fear forcing them to stay home either way. Bad situation, especially for the US now, but the best one can do is postpone getting infected as of now. The virus WILL lose its potency with time (many such signals and some studies from Italy suggest exactly that).
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DeMango
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June 28th, 2020 at 6:32:09 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Lol, NY is open.

We got our Coronavirus cases down to almost nothing.

Florida and Texas are going back to lockdown. It will hit Vegas too.

Pretty soon you will have to travel to NY for your gambling

Oh wait, we instituted a 14 day quarantine to keep all the sick people out. Too bad;


Well, what you are impugning, is that New Yorkers will all be wearing masks and social distancing whereas we, obviously did not. IOW you all are smarter. Shutting our bars should be a wakeup call to millennials. NYPost article about no increasing infections amongst protestors yesterday. Interesting. We need to rethink closing beaches everywhere.

Sorry, raised in Jersey, 12 miles from Manhattan, no need to travel to that cesspool any time soon. High school reunion next year, I'll keep you posted.
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EvenBob
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June 28th, 2020 at 9:58:16 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Holy crap

10,000 new cases IN FLORIDA TODAY ALONE!



10,000 deaths??? Oh, wait, 10,000
new cases. Big deal, who cares.
10 times more testing will do that
to the stats. We'll let you know
when the sky is falling, no worries.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
EvenBob
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June 28th, 2020 at 10:01:23 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Sorry, raised in Jersey, 12 miles from Manhattan, no need to travel to that cesspool any time soon.



The few times I've been to NYC,
I say to myself the whole time
I'm there, people live in this
hole on purpose and pay thru
the nose to do so. It makes no
sense.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
darkoz
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June 28th, 2020 at 11:10:43 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

10,000 deaths??? Oh, wait, 10,000
new cases. Big deal, who cares.
10 times more testing will do that
to the stats. We'll let you know
when the sky is falling, no worries.



You can say who cares but guess what?

Florida cares.

They are shutting down bars and beaches.

Oops, guess someone cares.

Guess it means if you don't care too bad. Shutdown happens anyway.

Enjoy that sky falling on you
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
redietz
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June 28th, 2020 at 11:27:40 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

You can say who cares but guess what?

Florida cares.

They are shutting down bars and beaches.

Oops, guess someone cares.

Guess it means if you don't care too bad. Shutdown happens anyway.

Enjoy that sky falling on you




Anyone pushing the "all that counts are death tallies" arguments have some serious logic issues. I can't link my site here, which addresses all of this, but quick summary:

1) Long-term health consequences of getting COVID-19 have not been established and are probably significant. People are suffering permanent lung damage, brain chemistry problems, and other issues.

2) Since degree or duration of protection from re-infection after having had the virus have not been established, any long-term health consequences could possibly be repeated and exacerbated with a re-infection. So someone who suffers 15-25% lung damage the first go-round is at risk for further damage if re-infected.

3) The death tallies will trail the infection rates by four to five weeks. So in a month, the "only thing that matters are deaths" arguers are going to have to invent a new argument. Maybe, "All that counts are infections?" LOL.


So right now, we are losing "just" 600 or 700 a day in terms of lives. Oh pshaw...a mere bagatelle. That's the argument that's being made. It's sick. Can you imagine if you presented these folks back in February with the argument, "We'll lose just 600 a day to ISIS agents hanging out in Texas, California, and Florida infected with anthrax?"

The mental contortions necessary to ignore the clustermuck unfolding are unbelievable. Wait until Tuesday morning, when U.S. citizens are banned from European travel because things are going so well here.
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EvenBob
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June 28th, 2020 at 11:45:04 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

You can say who cares but guess what?

Florida cares.



Who cares that FL cares. The rest
of the country is sick of the faux
nonsense. Just let it run it's course,
some will die, most won't. Locking
people in their homes didn't work
because you still have to send some
Typhoid Mary out to get infected
while they shop for groceries and
return home to infect granny and
gramps. NY didn't work because
the moron gov sent Typhoid Mary's
into over 600 nursing homes in the
state.
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tringlomane
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June 28th, 2020 at 11:57:14 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

10,000 deaths??? Oh, wait, 10,000
new cases. Big deal, who cares.
10 times more testing will do that
to the stats. We'll let you know
when the sky is falling, no worries.



Unfortunately for Florida, the most recent spike has nothing to do with increased testing. They didn't double their testing capacity in the last week.
redietz
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June 28th, 2020 at 12:15:58 PM permalink
I wish some of the apologists for the current state would explain how Italy or Spain were able to execute lengthier, more stringent lockdowns to great effect, basically ending the first wave, while the United States was incapable. I'm not even talking Japan or South Korea or New Zealand, who all handled things well the entire time. I'm talking Italy and Spain, who got crushed but got a handle on it.

How can the United States be economically more fragile than Italy or Spain? How can Americans be less disciplined than Italians or Spaniards when it comes to following protocols? Why are Americans behaving like snowflakes, whining and complaining over restricted trips to Wal-Mart and the local pub?
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rxwine
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June 28th, 2020 at 12:39:45 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

You can say who cares but guess what?

Florida cares.

They are shutting down bars and beaches.

Oops, guess someone cares.

Guess it means if you don't care too bad. Shutdown happens anyway.

Enjoy that sky falling on you



Opening bars is the least sensible. Closed area, drunk people -- what could go wrong? Maybe an outside bar, but alcohol and good sense often don't go together.

Responsible people should be able go to the beach and be relatively safe. One would think. Responsible being the key. Only a really crowded beach should be a big problem.
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