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darkoz
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June 14th, 2020 at 10:30:56 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-easter.html



Yes, I was aware of his statement but didn't want to get political.

I have changed the rest of this post 4 times because I can't figure out how to answer you fully without violating political rules of the forum.

You will just have to use a different source or bring this over to a different forum
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AZDuffman
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June 15th, 2020 at 2:50:34 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

That didn't answer the question.

Where was it stated.

I heard we were reopening when the curve was turned so we had less deaths and impact on the overcrowded hospitals.

who would put s stupid deadline on that?

Please point to source that said reopening at Easter dated from the beginning of the shutdown



Nothing said it was going to be months and months. Everything indicated we needed just a few weeks to "flatten the curve." In fact. I remember sources saying it would not even lower the infection rate all that much, just spread it out over a longer period of time.

No matter what you remember the point is we cannot stay shut down in hopes of some miracle cure. We have to open up as normal and get back to life. A depression will be far worse than the pandemic. Not when the survival rate is >99%.
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AZDuffman
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June 15th, 2020 at 2:51:58 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

for argument's sake, let's assume, social distancing, hand washing and mask-wearing helps. I really have no clue if that really makes a difference or not. That's the protocol I'm following when I go out to casinos and other businesses.

If other people refuse to practice hand washing, social distancing and mask-wearing it hinders me from going out since other people don't seem to respect your space, wear masks and practice hand sanitizing. Therefore it increases my chance of getting infected.

For instance, I'm sitting in the casino and some scruffy looking dude not wearing a mask sits directly next to me asking if he can borrow a dollar. On another occasion I'm paying the parking meter and a group of about 5 non mask-wearing people all decided to stop 2 feet from me to ask directions. I've been to the same few casinos a bunch of times now and not once have I seen them sanitizing any other machines whatsoever. I still haven't noticed anyone using the hand sanitizer stations and very few people are wearing masks.



Sounds like you need to stay home then.
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ChumpChange
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June 15th, 2020 at 3:49:56 AM permalink
I can guarantee schools will be shut down 3 to 4 weeks after they open, if not sooner.

Just got an e-mail from Best Buy that they are reopening today based on disease spread and location.
AZDuffman
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June 15th, 2020 at 3:57:03 AM permalink
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I can guarantee schools will be shut down 3 to 4 weeks after they open, if not sooner.

Just got an e-mail from Best Buy that they are reopening today based on disease spread and location.



That one is hard to say. Parents are getting tired of being the teacher as they pay the same property taxes. Though I am all for more home schooling some parents have to work and cannot do it.
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SanchoPanza
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June 15th, 2020 at 8:05:30 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: SanchoPanza

New York State is running between 60 and 80 new virus deaths a day.--ny state Montana has a pandemic total of 19 virus deaths. -state of montana



Lol, a few pages ago percentage of population mattered. Everyone down my throat that you had to go by percentage of population.

My how we change up our arguments just to win a debate

Some of us are not "everyone." And people who don't like answers shouldn't ask insistent questions, especially when they rarely have sources for claims.
darkoz
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June 15th, 2020 at 8:20:57 AM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

Quote: darkoz

Quote: SanchoPanza

New York State is running between 60 and 80 new virus deaths a day.--ny state Montana has a pandemic total of 19 virus deaths. -state of montana



Lol, a few pages ago percentage of population mattered. Everyone down my throat that you had to go by percentage of population.

My how we change up our arguments just to win a debate

Some of us are not "everyone." And people who don't like answers shouldn't ask insistent questions, especially when they rarely have sources for claims.



I love answers. Anyone following me on this forum knows that.

You answered my post with a link to statements made by Trump. I said I can't answer that due to this forum a rules against politics.

Don't misconstrue my refusal to correspond about the link as not liking answers
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AxelWolf
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June 15th, 2020 at 8:33:53 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Sounds like you need to stay home then.

Yeah, that way the businesses can die a slower more painful death.
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redietz
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June 15th, 2020 at 10:18:06 AM permalink
The U.S. response has been a semi-comedic disaster. I keep asking people, "Why do you think shutting down some U.S. states for a month will be effective as opposed to twice the length of time in Italy or Spain?" No answers. I keep asking people, "At what point in number of deaths do you shut down again -- 150,000, 200,000, 300,000?" Nobody wants to give an answer.

It's all day-to-day "thoughts and prayers" while chucking-and-ducking responsibility. If people weren't dying left and right, it'd be hilarious. American hubris and lack of discipline at its finest.

Everything is right on schedule, as I mention in:

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LVJackal
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June 15th, 2020 at 6:38:55 PM permalink
Shutdowns are still going to happen with or without further lock downs.
As outbreaks are identified within a business, it will (and many have) shutdown.
The economy was and is going to get crushed along the way.

AZ will be a critical test of our will to remain open. At its current hospitalization rate there will be makeshift ICU facilities erected yet unlike New York, there will be far fewer health professionals to draw from as many other states are dealing with their own outbreak. Should this happen, the sensible decision would be to shut the affected cities and counties down. The death rate not only from Covid but any other typically survivable hospital visit has to rise given lack of doctors and nurses.

A nationwide shutdown could have worked had we emerged from it with a universal plan including testing, tracing, full PPE, and shutdowns of locations as necessary. Given how we bungled that, many places did not need to be shut down as the outbreak had not spread and/or was still manageable.

Curiously- back to Covid math: With a given city, zip code population of X size, a R0 rate of Y, and Z active cases over the time frame a person is contagious: how likely is one to encounter an infected person within a group of N individuals? Not contract the virus, just encounter? As chance to contract involves where the encounter occurred, duration, and whether social distancing and or masks were used.

I think the above formula would be useful in determining risk for a certain activity and a baseline could be determined?
Obviously as the infection has taken root in most areas, our probability of encountering an infected person is substantially higher than it was pre- lock down, and increasing.

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