masterj
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December 19th, 2018 at 5:43:36 AM permalink
Hello,
I am new in this forum and would like to ask a question regarding European Roulette. (Single Zero Roulette)
In the Roulette Lexikon from Kurt von Haller he writes, that the last open number should show up on average after 132 spins.
Theoretically after 169 spins (132+37).

I could not find any more information on the internet about this topic. Can you confirm this numbers?
And why is it 37+132 = 169 spins? I don't understand this.



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FleaStiff
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December 19th, 2018 at 7:50:29 AM permalink
it can show up on the very next spin, right??
DJTeddyBear
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December 19th, 2018 at 8:03:16 AM permalink
"Last open number" is rather ambiguous. There could be more than one sleeper for a long time and there no reason to believe that any number will become 'due' in any specific number of additional spins, merely by virtue of it achieving lone sleeper status. And frankly, if you're tracking sleepers, by the time you've eliminated other numbers to get to your one lone number, new numbers may have started sleeping, robbing that long sleeper of it's status.


At any rate...

The formula ( 36/37 ) ^ x shows the odds of a specific number NOT hitting in x spins.

When x = 132, the value is .026872 - the first time the value falls below .027027, which is the odds for any number hitting on any single spin.

Note that there is no reason to believe that a number "should" hit at that point. I'm just guessing that the author chose to find significance there.

I have no idea what the +37 means.
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darkoz
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December 19th, 2018 at 8:45:48 AM permalink
There are 37 numbered slots in single zero roulette

You add the individual integers in that number (3+7) = 10

Zero has no significance so you drop that from 10 which leaves 1

69 is the number of verbal sexuality and jts important to make verbal love with the wheel so you add that

The final result 1 added to 69 is 169

Hope that helps!
masterj
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December 19th, 2018 at 8:59:49 AM permalink
sure it can come up in the very next spin.
But the calculation from Kurt von Haller (he wrote a well known Roulette-Book) says that the average is 169.
I just would like to know if there are more sources which can confirm this Statement.
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December 19th, 2018 at 9:23:56 AM permalink
Quote: masterj

Hello,
I am new in this forum and would like to ask a question regarding European Roulette. (Single Zero Roulette)
In the Roulette Lexikon from Kurt von Haller he writes, that the last open number should show up on average after 132 spins.
Theoretically after 169 spins (132+37).

never heard of the guy. Is this a conditional probability problem? given the 37 numbers, how long on average does it take to get 36 of them?
then add 37 to that for the last number?
If that is what the secret is

Quote: masterj

I could not find any more information on the internet about this topic. Can you confirm this numbers?
And why is it 37+132 = 169 spins? I don't understand this.

169 is then not right.

118.4586903 is the average number of spins to get 36 of the 37 numbers
add 37 to that 155.4586903

that is what I get calculating getting all 37 numbers starting at 0
> N.mean(37)
[1] 155.4587

"last open number" could have different meanings to different people

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masterj
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December 19th, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

never heard of the guy. Is this a conditional probability problem? given the 37 numbers, how long on average does it take to get 36 of them?
then add 37 to that for the last number?
If that is what the secret is

169 is then not right.

118.4586903 is the average number of spins to get 36 of the 37 numbers
add 37 to that 155.4586903

that is what I get calculating getting all 37 numbers starting at 0
> an(37)
[1] 155.4587

"last open number" could have different meanings to different people

Sally




for me "last open number" means if for example after 120 spins we got 36 out of 37 numbers, then on average how many spins we have to wait for the last one to show up?
I know we can get this last number in the next spin, and it can't show up for the next x spins.
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December 19th, 2018 at 10:43:50 AM permalink
Quote: masterj

Quote: mustangsally

never heard of the guy. Is this a conditional probability problem? given the 37 numbers, how long on average does it take to get 36 of them?
then add 37 to that for the last number?
If that is what the secret is

169 is then not right.

118.4586903 is the average number of spins to get 36 of the 37 numbers
add 37 to that 155.4586903

that is what I get calculating getting all 37 numbers starting at 0
> an(37)
[1] 155.4587

"last open number" could have different meanings to different people

Sally




for me "last open number" means if for example after 120 spins we got 36 out of 37 numbers, then on average how many spins we have to wait for the last one to show up?
I know we can get this last number in the next spin, and it can't show up for the next x spins.



The number of spins it would take on average to get that number from that point on, is exactly the same as if it wasn’t the last number standing.
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December 19th, 2018 at 3:50:02 PM permalink
Quote: masterj

) says that the average is 169.



So what. Even if true, how would this
benefit you in any way. The number
could sleep for 400 spins and show
up 3 times in a row.
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December 19th, 2018 at 4:41:22 PM permalink
Quote: masterj

sure it can come up in the very next spin.
But the calculation from Kurt von Haller (he wrote a well known Roulette-Book) says that the average is 169.
I just would like to know if there are more sources which can confirm this Statement.



I bet Kurt Von Haller made more money selling his book than he did playing roulette

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