KWW
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May 6th, 2015 at 6:18:22 PM permalink
If you are playing a table game and using your player card at a casino you are staying at and are overpaid without you or the dealer realizing it at the time, then leave the table and cash out. Can the casino contact you later, say by leaving a message on your phone in your room and request that you repay the overpayment? If you were using your player card and staying at the hotel I would think it would be easy to find you, but is there a rule that once you leave the table the casino can no longer demand repayment? Don't get me wrong I would gladly pay back any overpayment as I don't want the casino cheating me anymore than I would want to cheat the casino, but just wondering if there are limits to when the casino can contact you and ask for the overpayment to be repaid? I could see this being an issue if you left the table and lost the money at a different game how could they still demand repayment? You may no longer have the funds to pay back what was originally overpaid in the first place.

Thanks for any info.
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RS
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May 6th, 2015 at 6:24:16 PM permalink
In Las Vegas they can ask but you can always deny it, as long as you've been paid and have collected...even if they ask 2 seconds after you scooped it up. Other places, don't know. Pretty sure other places they can (legally) require you to pay back an overpayment....but I'm not sure if there's a statute of limitations on that or what it would be.
AlanMendelson
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May 6th, 2015 at 6:28:35 PM permalink
How much money are you talking about?

I've been overpaid various amounts over the years: was given a green instead of a red because of a careless dealer or a dirty stack, can't say the reason. I've been given a black instead of a green and the dealer said it was a dirty stack. I've been given three reds instead of two reds because the dealer made a mistake. But in ALL cases either another dealer caught it or I returned the error.

Getting back to your question: I doubt an accidental overpayment could ever be made for a large amount because in the case of large amounts the dealer must verify with a floorperson. If there were an overpayment for a large amount that wasn't detected it could be considered a criminal act.

In the case of a small overpayment, perhaps $25 or less, I don't think anyone is going to care.

Casinos are very careful about watching their stacks of $100 chips and up. I doubt an "error" would ever leave the table.

In the case of an error of $25 or less, I doubt anyone would notice or care. Heck, I've seen dealers pay a player for a "regularly made bet" that the player forgot to make. For example, a player always has $5 on the horn, and then forgets to make it because of a distraction -- the horn hits and the player is paid. Or a player was distracted when a new point is established and doesn't get his odds on the table, and on the next throw the point is hit. I've seen dealers pay as if the odds were there.
KWW
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May 6th, 2015 at 6:40:34 PM permalink
I was overpaid on a Mississippi Stud game for a Full house 10-1 when I really had a flush 6-1. I think my bet total was $50 so they paid 500 instead of 300. In this case the error was caught a few hands later before I left the table, but the guy next to me told me I should have left as soon as the overpayment had been made and they would not have been able to do anything about it. I was new to the game and admittedly a bit tipsy so I didn't realize the error but the guy next to me did, and was trying to tell me to leave the table so they would not make me repay. I really didn't understand what he was talking about so I stayed at the table and the casino made me repay. Thus my original question.
Ibeatyouraces
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May 6th, 2015 at 6:47:52 PM permalink
Keep it until asked for back. If you prefer to be "ethical" about it, point out the error immediately and pay it back.
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Paigowdan
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May 6th, 2015 at 8:07:22 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Keep it until asked for back. If you prefer to be "ethical" about it, point out the error immediately and pay it back.



I do this. If I didn't legitimately win it, it isn't mine, so why not be honest about it? For that matter, I sometimes get change for a $20 when paying with a $10 bill; I point it out, give it back, and don't give it a second thought. Different people have different values on this; one can think that "their mistake makes it mine." I disagree with that. If I demand payment when underpaid, I also give it back if overpaid.
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FleaStiff
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May 6th, 2015 at 10:06:32 PM permalink
Quote: KWW

I was new to the game and admittedly a bit tipsy so I didn't realize the error but the guy next to me did, and was trying to tell me to leave the table so they would not make me repay.

You were playing with TWO strikes against you. Ignorance and alcohol. If you are that drunk that you don't get the message, its your fault.

Surveillance probably caught it and they would have got it back eventually anyway.

They will NOT show the film to a player and you make a stink and be a mean sport about it, but the best thing to do is pay up when asked to. They have already made the decision to interrupt the game. Often a craps cheat is tolerated a few times just to keep the game going. Its best to play like a gentleman or at least like a somewhat tipsy gentleman.
ahiromu
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May 7th, 2015 at 1:31:08 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Keep it until asked for back. If you prefer to be "ethical" about it, point out the error immediately and pay it back.



This is how I act as well. At a casino, especially if you've been drinking, you have so much plausible deniability that nobody should ever get mad at you for taking an overpayment. I also tend to tip them some of it back... but it's definitely best to wait a few rounds before doing so. If you tip immediately after an overpayment, it just make it look worse than it actually was. That last bit might just be my personal flavor though.

I once got paid 50-1 instead of 25-1 and the dealer and I realized it at the same time about an hour later when he was paying off someone else for the same hit. We just looked at each other and I tipped $5 for a few rounds in a row. I'm afraid he thinks it was on purpose (I shouted out the payout and he trusted me), but it was a complete and utter accident.
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Gabes22
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May 7th, 2015 at 1:39:53 PM permalink
I had something similar happen to me in 1999 on a Vegas trip for my 21st Birthday with my father. We were playing at the now defunct Showboat. I had $25 on the table, dad had $40. I had an 18, dad had 19, dealer had 6 showing, flipped over an 8 and drew a 6 for 20, she did the math wrong, thought she busted and dad and I were both paid on the hand. We thought nothing of it, but 15 minutes later three suits tapped us on the shoulder explaining the scenario like I just described and asked if we recalled it. We obviously played dumb, they invited us to his office to review the tape, we declined to which he said we would have to leave if we didn't pay the money back. so we got up, and went over to Boulder Station.
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JimRockford
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May 7th, 2015 at 1:58:42 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I do this. If I didn't legitimately win it, it isn't mine, so why not be honest about it? For that matter, I sometimes get change for a $20 when paying with a $10 bill; I point it out, give it back, and don't give it a second thought. Different people have different values on this; one can think that "their mistake makes it mine." I disagree with that. If I demand payment when underpaid, I also give it back if overpaid.

I have pointed out errors in my favor before, but not every time. When I don't it's because I wonder how many times I have been underpaid and didn't notice. I only play a couple of times a year and usually indulge a little.
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