Keyser
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November 28th, 2014 at 11:41:11 AM permalink
It really all depends on what game it is that you're trying to play professionally.
EvenBob
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November 28th, 2014 at 11:51:20 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Bob I seriously doubt you know very much about being a pro gambler..



About your way of doing it I know
nothing. I also don't know how to
hit myself in the head with a hammer,
or jump off garage roofs to see if I can
fly. It's all in the same category to me.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
EvenBob
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November 28th, 2014 at 11:56:50 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser


Boredom, extreme boredom, offensive smells, nerd festival, nerd festival, nerd festival...(this phase can last for quite some time without ever placing a single bet), .



That's it, except for the length of time
to place a bet. I often wonder about
the pit, I'm sitting there bored to tears
and they do this for hours a day. The
best part of going to a casino is leaving
there.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
kewlj
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November 28th, 2014 at 12:00:39 PM permalink
I am just finishing up my 11th year of well....I don't use the term 'gambler', but the 11th year of supporting myself solely from advantage play (80% of which is card counting) and I wouldn't change a thing. I love my life and how I am able to make a living. Oh, I struggle at times and vent and complain about the negative variance and swings, but I really wouldn't change a thing. And I say this, near the end of what is likely to be my worst year of my last 5. My worst year since I moved to Vegas. Likely to wind up less than 50% of what I have made in each of my last 2 years. I figure if you still love what you are doing while experiencing such a 'down' year, you are doing all right.

There are negatives as far as all the time you spend in the casino environment, but many pluses like the freedoms that come with any self employment type work. It also allows me to live a very comfortable life and donate time and money to some causes that I want to participate with and help.

Since I am a professional gambler (again, not my favorite term), I can't say I would give up my life to become one, but I can say that I have no regrets. I do understand it wouldn't be for everyone.
Keyser
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November 28th, 2014 at 12:03:48 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The
best part of going to a casino is leaving
there.



YES

Quote: kewlj

Since I am a professional gambler (again, not my favorite term), I can't say I would give up my life to become one, but I can say that I have no regrets. I do understand it wouldn't be for everyone.



When asked by people what it is that I do for a living, I prefer to use the phrase, "risk assessment and investment".

Among AP friends, I prefer to use the word, "caper".

-Keyser
AxelWolf
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November 28th, 2014 at 12:08:08 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I also don't know how to
hit myself in the head with a hammer,
.

I'll be glad to show you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AceTwo
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November 28th, 2014 at 1:15:52 PM permalink
I would become a Pro AP if Casinos could not ban me. So I guess the answer is no.
I think I could make a decent living as AP Pro BUT I could never make Big money as AP Pro.
Very few people have managed to make Big Money as AP pro.
I guess is like Professional Athletes, Musicians and Actors. Many can make a decent living but very few Big Money.

AP Pro is the only job in the world that the better you get the more likely you are to be fired (by the casino).
And the only job you have to downplay your skills.
Of course tricking the casino to believe that you are just a regular gambler is a main skill of being AP.
And also despite accumlating bankroll you eventually reach a point that you cannot increase further the bets as beyond a certain betting level the casino figures you out a lot quicker.

And most people who can do AP, they can also do a lot more other things that the Potential Benefits (money etc) can be a lot higher.
I played as serious AP Hobbiist (meaning around 300 hours per year) for about 3.5 years. These days I have a lot less time to do my hobby.
I thinked I learned a lot during that time of how to approach other things as well, like business and investments.
zippyboy
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November 28th, 2014 at 2:05:41 PM permalink
I was a "pro" poker player in LV from June 2009-Sept 2011, pro in the sense I had no other income, and had quit a job to move to LV to do it.

Quote: AZDuffman

The hardest part of being a pro-gambler I hear is that you do not know if dinner will be chicken or feathers.

Now it is late evening and time to actually earn. Time for the Poker Room. Tourists think they can play poker, or figure why not give it a try. You hit a $1/2 or $2/4 table and just grind. Make a few bucks and hope to get a tourist to go all-in when you are flying American Airlines or playing with the Cowboys. You need to get an all-in when you have the best of it, then hope your best holds up. If you bust you leave. If you win you probably leave.

At least if you hit one or two rooms on the strip you get to be friendly with the floorman and room manager as the poker room is the last vestige of "friendly vegas" where the staff knows your name and what you drink. If they like you they can give some food and beverage comps. That defers other costs in your life.



I knew I was pretty good player in WA, and studied the strategies, read the magazines, watched the shows, played online, bought the books, and thought I was ready for the big-time play in Vegas. Quit a job I disliked with full benefits, packed up everything in a U-Haul and arrived in Vegas the same day Michael Jackson died (it was all over the radio at 4:30 when I pulled into town). My reasoning was...if I can make $3000/mo in WA playing 1 or 2 casinos a few days a week, then I could make a living against tourists bouncing between 50 different poker rooms. Problem was, I was about seven years too late. All the fish had gotten better, like me, or had lost their bankrolls and went home. So it's a bunch of sharks around the table waiting and hoping for the once-a-night all-in opportunity where my KQ sooooted holds up against three other great hands.

I played everywhere for the first several months getting a feel for the town, then narrowed it to a handfull by the second year. Most all rooms in town gave $1/hr comps on the players card, few places gave $2, and some even gave $3/hr from 3am to noon (Rio, Station casinos). I gained Diamond status with Caesars and ate at buffets on comp points. I used coupons, and even tore out coupons from other books I found in the trash in my apartment's laundry room. I lived close enough to the Strip to walk to Rio and use the shuttle to Harrahs or Ballys. It took me a while to adjust my playing to be late at night when tourists are drunk (that's usually when I'm drunk too!). I made decent money the first year, played less and less by year two, and was so sick of poker by year three I was ready to put a gun in my mouth. Poker is boring, but it's all I ever played because skill is required, compared to the other luck-based games.

I'm sure it's the same any time you take a hobby and turn it into your job, whether it's tennis, golf or buying storage lockers. Think you're funny? Maybe get up on stage during your bar's open mic night and tell a few jokes? Then one night an agent in the crowd tells you to get an hour's worth of material and he'll get you a gig for $200/night. You find it easy, you like the adrenaline and can control the hecklers, and after a few months, you figure the money's good. You quit your job, your agent gets you enough gigs you go on a state-wide tour of Indian casinos and comedy clubs and it's great for 6 months. Once you've done those rooms too many times, you have to travel the entire west coast telling the same old jokes to a different sometimes hostile, sometimes apathetic audience. As you get better, your income goes up, but you're spending so much on gas and hotels, and you're lonely, and you're not exercising like you used to, and you're not eating your veggies, and pretty soon, if you haven't gone on the Tonight Show after two years, you start to wonder if you can still get your old job back.

I did get my job back here in Washington, but unfortunately for a 20% pay cut and loss of all my old benefits. I don't miss being a "pro" poker player at all. I'm glad I did it, got the experience, met some people, have the memories. I can still play once in a while, and go back to Las Vegas 2-3 times a year with a poker friend. I just won't ever do it for a living again.
"Poker sure is an easy game to beat if you have the roll to keep rebuying."
FleaStiff
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November 28th, 2014 at 2:53:44 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? .

I think by definition you would have offer some sort of premium commensurate with the risk. Ofcourse if by professional gambler you mean casino owner that is a different question entirely.

In the early days of BJ card counting those girls were making 3 to 4 weeks salary before lunch.

If the early days will mean heat galore, perhaps not.

Will there friendly camaraderie or will everyone pounce on the bookie the moment there is rumor about a drunken quarterback?

Everyone investing at a sports bar or everyone cadging drinks at a cheap watering hole?
onenickelmiracle
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November 28th, 2014 at 4:11:59 PM permalink
I would rather be a pimp with high quality }-{oes who don't need smacked around.
I am a robot.

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