richbailey86
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November 28th, 2014 at 5:55:21 AM permalink
What casino games is it possible to be an AP. Only poker and blackjack right?
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November 28th, 2014 at 6:00:02 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

If you could hear of the stories of actual pro gamblers would you be content with that, or would you want to try advantage play?

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" would that fulfill your urges till your next Vegas trip?

Some questions that I've thought up of meeting many people on the forum and in Las Vegas.




Same money I make now? Lol, no. That's why I'm going to school to get me a real job to make me some real $$$. But, let's assume I currently have that good job that makes good $$$....would I want to be a full-time / professional AP?

Yes. And no.

I currently do AP stuff because it's something I enjoy, like a hobby, even though I take it more seriously than I would a hobby. It's not money that I need. I don't rely at all on money from AP activities. I wouldn't want to be a professional AP if I had to rely on it for income. That wouldn't be fun and that'd be stressful (at least that's how I'd imagine it).


I'd much rather have a "real" job (not that pro AP isn't a real job), then do AP on the side as a hobby. But, who knows, perhaps in the future I'll go "full time".

Quote: richbailey86

What casino games is it possible to be an AP. Only poker and blackjack right?



You can AP every game (under the proper conditions).
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November 28th, 2014 at 6:09:06 AM permalink
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Hey djatc! I'm new to this board (just like charles), but my friend told me about you.

How's the Miata doing? lol



3rd post and you are laughing at a long time member referring to personal information by revealing type of vehicle person drives?
Stalker?
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If charles can post, then why can't I?



But you are posting 3x

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November 28th, 2014 at 6:26:50 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

3rd post and you are laughing at a long time member referring to personal information by revealing type of vehicle person drives?
Stalker?


But you are posting 3x

Welcome back B9? Varmenti?

Calm down, terapined. Why so angry? I don't even know you. Remember, I'm new here.

Look at djatc's threads, and it's easy to find out that he drives a Miata. SMH
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November 28th, 2014 at 6:52:12 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)


Yes, I would. But I doubt that most professional gamblers can make that much except a few big poker players.
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richbailey86
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November 28th, 2014 at 7:04:50 AM permalink
my dream would be 2 caisno trips a week at 1k profit each visit

would never happen
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November 28th, 2014 at 7:15:07 AM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

my dream would be 2 caisno trips a week at 1k profit each visit

would never happen


I only want 1 casino day trip (3-4 hours) a week at 5k profit each visit.
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November 28th, 2014 at 7:15:58 AM permalink
As a person that has lived in Vegas for the last 24 years, I have no interest in doing AP full time. First of all, I am lazy and would have to work as insane amount of hours to achieve the same income. Besides, I like my current method of just trying to find an AP play or two once or twice a week. I really find it hard to play more than a few hours now.
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November 28th, 2014 at 8:06:00 AM permalink
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Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?



The hardest part of being a pro-gambler I hear is that you do not know if dinner will be chicken or feathers. I know a guy who knew guys who would one week live with a buddy in the nicest part of Vegas and the next night they spent in a 1974 Buick. A "weekly" hotel might be your Taj Mahal when you are doing well.

So your life is always fairly busy though it is inn many ways better than a cubicle. First you need to be a decent dealer so you can get on some extra boards because if you have a bad week or two you need to have a way to make some real money. You also have a few "hustles" out there such as courier or movie extra. Common thread is they are irregular jobs that however pay well for a day and the amount of physical effort is not high.

Of course these kinds of jobs attract the same kind of people as you, so the great part is you get to network. You find the free play at one joint and the loss rebate at another. You have to live in Vegas or perhaps Reno because you must keep moving. $5/10/25 match play here or there, once the match play is gone then you are gone. You have a "route" to work. You spend time with the people of Wal-Mart getting the freebies. If you are smart you get a partner or small crew to keep the boredom away and save gas costs.

Free-play and match play, all afternoon. On and off the strip. Down to Freemont St. In and out. Dirty looks from dealers who know you will not tip and are gone soon as the match is gone. During the afternoon your phone might or might not have rung from joints needing extra dealers. It means all night on your feet but it also means a guaranteed envelope of some kind. Plus it means you get to know some pit bosses. That means comps.

Oh yeah, you are a pro gambler but you still have to eat. Maybe you raid coupon books or maybe you know the pit boss who will give you the comp. You might have to take your partner and play an hour of doey-donty regularly to run up your play. Might end yo with a buffet at Bellagio or the $1 $2 shrimp cocktail at Slots-A-Fun.

Now it is late evening and time to actually earn. Time for the Poker Room. Tourists think they can play poker, or figure why not give it a try. You hit a $1/2 or $2/4 table and just grind. Make a few bucks and hope to get a tourist to go all-in when you are flying American Airlines or playing with the Cowboys. You need to get an all-in when you have the best of it, then hope your best holds up. If you bust you leave. If you win you probably leave.

At least if you hit one or two rooms on the strip you get to be friendly with the floorman and room manager as the poker room is the last vestige of "friendly vegas" where the staff knows your name and what you drink. If they like you they can give some food and beverage comps. That defers other costs in your life.

If you catch the tourist you made $400 or so for the day, if you lose you might make nothing. Then you go to the bar and have a few drinks with your "co-workers" and swap tips on what the good play for the next day is. Then home, hit the bed (or car seat) and wake up to do it again.

The sad part is if I could buy a house instead of being so transient I could do it. Charge a few bucks to my crew to sleep on the floor or couch. I love my job now, but this looks better than the jobs I have had and hated.
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November 28th, 2014 at 9:49:56 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

If you could make the same amount of money at your job now, would you become a professional gambler? (accounting for all benefits such as health insurance)

If you could hear of the stories of actual pro gamblers would you be content with that, or would you want to try advantage play?

Would the stories of pro gamblers satisfy your curiosity of what it's really like, but not enough to actual want to do it yourself?

If somebody were to post the "day in the life of a pro gambler" would that fulfill your urges till your next Vegas trip?

Some questions that I've thought up of meeting many people on the forum and in Las Vegas.

I wouldn't suggest anyone quit there job to become an AP unless they were absolutely certain they could make it(it's best to play part time and keep your job). I suggest they have enough money to ride out bad streaks and the times where there is nothing significant to play. I suggest having lots of extra hobbies so you avoid playing NONSENSE low edges when it's slow, unless you are very well bankrolled.

Personally I didn't do it that way(except for the hobbies), but I was very young and I had very little to lose. When I did quit my job I had no car, very little money or AP knowledge (no books, no computer, no forums, no help learning or free information) I only had a crappie casino job. I quit relatively quick after I realized how and why I had close to a 30% advantage. There was lots of juicy machines plays when I started, 1 or 2 percent was a joke. If you weren't making at least $30 an on a extremely low risk play, something was wrong.



The day I quit I didn't even know 100% I was going to quit. I asked for a month vacation after just taking a week off(silly me). I said "If I cant have another vacation I have to quit " My boss said, it was impossible. She was very nice, she understood and was even encouraging. She knew it was coming anyways, since I begged for early outs every day. No big loss, I did nothing but socialize with customers and employees all day anyways. Dating employees or customers was forbidden, but I did often that without batting an eye.

The day I quit was both one of the scariest and happiest days in my life. I remember feeling relieved ,very happy, proud and free as I walked out and said goodbye to people. My biggest fear was the the machines wouldn't last. However, I knew I could always get a Job because I was offered a good job at the Hard Rock in promotions and special events and I knew enough people.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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